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Gman

(24,780 posts)
70. Well, the sun still does
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jan 2016

If you see through the fog and distortions of this place. The biggest problem this place has with them is the clintons aren't full blown ideologues on the things they want. They are pragmatists. One becomes a pragmatist the way I did. You work so hard to get your all or nothing then have little to show and you're back talking about it 10 years later, as Hillary told BLM. Realistically, you make incremental changes along the way. You make big changes if the opportunity arises. That's the way the system is. The clintons both know how to do it well. Get what you can when you can and keep working for positive change.

And all this crap about big banks. You know what? We NEED these big banks. We need these big banks to maintain our standard of living. However, we do not need predatory banks and capitalism. She knows that.

Single payer? Of course she supports some kind of single payer. Just not some ridiculous half baked "plan" that Sanders put out. That man knows better than to put out that garbage of a "plan" that has no real specifics but the idiots here don't care. They declare her against SP. some staffer put it together, no doubt.

They've taken up some kind of moral crusade that's doomed to fail horribly. And the way these people are, they very predictably will turn on Sanders in an instant. They turned on Obama less than 48 hours after McCain conceded.

If you liked the way things were in the 90's, you'll love Hillary as prez. Those were the best economic times of my working life. Being involved with organized labor at the time, we finally had a friendly department of labor after 12 years of Reagan/Bush. I cannot overemphasizes how important that is. And people worked, making good money too. Not people with masters degrees making $25K like today. And of course there were things we as organized labor didn't like,like NAFTA. but that pales compared to what happened under Bush.

One of the things that irritates me must is the way these idiots criticize Bill for don't ask don't tell. That's an abuse of hindsight. That's like criticizing Brown v School Board because it didn't do all the things for civil rights that were done 10 years later. It was a first step in the incrementalism to get full rights. Why did it take so long for gay rights? Why did they support Nader and not Gore, throwing the election to Bush? It could have been done 10 years earlier and the SCOTUS woild now be 5-4 liberal. But, no. They had to teach the party a lesson.

And that word "incrementalism", I first heard it used by Rush decrying Bill Clinton and the left 20 years ago.

Sanders is a national unknown. And we are running a HUGE risk with him.

That's, in part, why I support Hillary and you should too.

Good morning

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Nope. draa Jan 2016 #1
Sanders BLM debacle killed any chance for the Black vote Gman Jan 2016 #2
Exactly what the heck has the clintons done for you? madokie Jan 2016 #61
+1000000000! marble falls Jan 2016 #68
Well, the sun still does Gman Jan 2016 #70
Oh please! Get a life! Proserpina Jan 2016 #3
Voting for Bernie - not Cornel Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #4
Funny that you say HRC's surrogates are irrelevant - and then you light into them, so they must Empowerer Jan 2016 #9
Don't you know Hillary is responsible for anything said and done by those even tangentially related Metric System Jan 2016 #13
Wow you completely misread my point Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #18
Whole post is stellar but you just won GDP for this point. Number23 Jan 2016 #78
What I got out of the article wildeyed Jan 2016 #19
You make an incredibly important point . . . Empowerer Jan 2016 #22
I doubt many of the supporters knew much about wildeyed Jan 2016 #31
I expand on this point in AA forum Empowerer Jan 2016 #40
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #80
Exactly my point Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #30
"Perhaps there's no one reminding them of it?" Are you serious? Empowerer Jan 2016 #33
I've watched Cornel speak on behalf of Bernie several times now NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #5
Not a Sanders supporter unless he gets nomination, but I generally like West. Hoyt Jan 2016 #6
The beginning criticisms. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #23
So, you think it's smart for the Sanders campaign to send out a man with whom black people Empowerer Jan 2016 #27
Oh noes! wildeyed Jan 2016 #38
A pass. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #45
Mos Def is his own person wildeyed Jan 2016 #47
Hip-Hop's responsibility. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #50
Here's how I see it. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #44
Why do you keep saying what Black people "should" do? Do you really think that we haven't thought Empowerer Jan 2016 #48
Dr.West is not new to me. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #52
I have seen the Tampa Bay Times stir the same shit pot in Florida. I hope people see through this. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #7
Cornell West was a tone deaf choice by Sanders. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #8
As was David Brock, Andrew Cuomo, Lanny Davis Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #10
Fact checking Bernie Sanders does not make them "divisive." nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #16
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Jonathan Whodafuckcares? 99Forever Jan 2016 #11
Why do you think that Jonathan Capehart is a "f--king clown?" Empowerer Jan 2016 #12
OK then mcar Jan 2016 #26
Try the Ignore feature. 99Forever Jan 2016 #29
Do you see any irony in your post? oberliner Jan 2016 #67
Cornell should stop wearing his heart on his sleeve. elias49 Jan 2016 #14
Cornell is ok pscot Jan 2016 #15
Wash Post? Please. The only ones reading posts like these are worried Bernie fans. dinkytron Jan 2016 #17
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The fact that he takes a position that you don't agree with makes him a "f--king clown?" Empowerer Jan 2016 #28
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Capehard didn't present West as a liability because he doesn't agree with him Empowerer Jan 2016 #34
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I'm actually quite focused - your inability to follow isn't my problem Empowerer Jan 2016 #37
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Good night. Empowerer Jan 2016 #41
DU rec..nt SidDithers Jan 2016 #24
K&R mcar Jan 2016 #25
Cornel West is a bad surrogate for Sanders Gothmog Jan 2016 #35
So tired of hearing Hillary fans lecturing on how the Bernie campaign should be run Kentonio Jan 2016 #58
That's a big problem with the Sanders campaign Empowerer Jan 2016 #60
Nothing he said or did would make a difference to you Kentonio Jan 2016 #65
There is an old saying that I believe in Gothmog Jan 2016 #72
We will. Sanders has loyalty for the people who campaign for him. Kentonio Jan 2016 #73
Has this shown up in the polling yet? Gothmog Jan 2016 #74
He's gained 14 points since November with SC AA voters Kentonio Jan 2016 #75
You think he hurts Sanders more than Debbie "millennials suck, put pot smokers in prison" Wasserman Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #42
Clinton hasn't designated Wasserman-Shultz as her surrogate and sent her out to campaign on her Empowerer Jan 2016 #43
Please, Louise. DWS was Hillary's national campaign co-chair in 2008. merrily Jan 2016 #46
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Sometimes, I bid a poster good night. Sometimes, I prefer to bid a poster "link or slink." merrily Jan 2016 #51
BREAKING--> it is 2016. Wake up. riversedge Jan 2016 #77
What does that mean? That DWS is now objective and fair? o.k. merrily Jan 2016 #79
And Cornel West isn't on the ballot. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #56
I recall advice of not taking West on the campaign trail, maybe Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #53
Interesting - this fellow Capehart PatrickforO Jan 2016 #54
Yep, only Hillary has good black friends. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #55
I've been saying this a while. Cornel West is not a good surrogate, there are many better. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #57
Not a chance Bernie would cut loose someone who has worked hard for him like that. Kentonio Jan 2016 #59
He doesn't need to "cut him loose"- just use him for something else besides outreach to black folk Empowerer Jan 2016 #62
'Most'? How are you quantifying that? Kentonio Jan 2016 #66
There seems to be something to be listened to here. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #71
West, like Ben Carson, is in love with the sound of his own voice. randome Jan 2016 #63
I don't think anyone is saying that Sanders is responsible for the stupid things West has said Empowerer Jan 2016 #64
I know this is about Sanders. I was just going out of my way to be 'fair'. randome Jan 2016 #69
Good article! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #76
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