2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Washington Post: "How Cornel West Hurts Bernie Sanders" [View all]Gman
(24,780 posts)If you see through the fog and distortions of this place. The biggest problem this place has with them is the clintons aren't full blown ideologues on the things they want. They are pragmatists. One becomes a pragmatist the way I did. You work so hard to get your all or nothing then have little to show and you're back talking about it 10 years later, as Hillary told BLM. Realistically, you make incremental changes along the way. You make big changes if the opportunity arises. That's the way the system is. The clintons both know how to do it well. Get what you can when you can and keep working for positive change.
And all this crap about big banks. You know what? We NEED these big banks. We need these big banks to maintain our standard of living. However, we do not need predatory banks and capitalism. She knows that.
Single payer? Of course she supports some kind of single payer. Just not some ridiculous half baked "plan" that Sanders put out. That man knows better than to put out that garbage of a "plan" that has no real specifics but the idiots here don't care. They declare her against SP. some staffer put it together, no doubt.
They've taken up some kind of moral crusade that's doomed to fail horribly. And the way these people are, they very predictably will turn on Sanders in an instant. They turned on Obama less than 48 hours after McCain conceded.
If you liked the way things were in the 90's, you'll love Hillary as prez. Those were the best economic times of my working life. Being involved with organized labor at the time, we finally had a friendly department of labor after 12 years of Reagan/Bush. I cannot overemphasizes how important that is. And people worked, making good money too. Not people with masters degrees making $25K like today. And of course there were things we as organized labor didn't like,like NAFTA. but that pales compared to what happened under Bush.
One of the things that irritates me must is the way these idiots criticize Bill for don't ask don't tell. That's an abuse of hindsight. That's like criticizing Brown v School Board because it didn't do all the things for civil rights that were done 10 years later. It was a first step in the incrementalism to get full rights. Why did it take so long for gay rights? Why did they support Nader and not Gore, throwing the election to Bush? It could have been done 10 years earlier and the SCOTUS woild now be 5-4 liberal. But, no. They had to teach the party a lesson.
And that word "incrementalism", I first heard it used by Rush decrying Bill Clinton and the left 20 years ago.
Sanders is a national unknown. And we are running a HUGE risk with him.
That's, in part, why I support Hillary and you should too.
Good morning