2016 Postmortem

karynnj

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40. the reason is in Iowa people actually talked to the candidates

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:48 AM

Jan 2016

The fact is other than having to vote - Dean and Kerry were not far apart and Kerry was clearer on how he would get out of Iraq. Through a regional peace summit, and likely withdrawing some troops by the end of 2005.

Consider the realistic choices in Iowa - only Dean was considered more anti war by some. Gephardt and Edwards were far more in favor of the war. Kerry's history in 1971 mattered. Dean and Gephardt damaged each other with pretty nasty attacks on mostly domestic issues.

In addition, Kerry had MA vets who supported him since 1984 who came out on their own and they and Kerry himself won people over one on one. The New England demand that politicians answer to citizens helped Kerry, as it helps Bernie. Dean was also from Vt but this was not his strength per many people who know him here.

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Kerry forced the party to run in lockstep with Bush on Iraq Ken Burch Jan 2016 #6

facts say otherwise, that's how he ended up winning the nomination JI7 Jan 2016 #7

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bs, i actually supported him . people even though he stole the election because the media JI7 Jan 2016 #14

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he won their votes , so, yes, he was nominated by them. do you our votes don't count JI7 Jan 2016 #17

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bs, i'm a person of color and supported him from the beginning and i find all of your posts on POC JI7 Jan 2016 #21

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At the time that story ran, Kerry's last serious opponent was John Edwards Ken Burch Jan 2016 #26

in Iowa, he won the highest % of people who said they were antiwar karynnj Jan 2016 #36

It's weird that he got their votes, since at best his Iraq stance was a muddle. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #39

the reason is in Iowa people actually talked to the candidates karynnj Jan 2016 #40

that is nothing short of absurd dsc Jan 2016 #79

if you think Kerry was in lock step on Iraq. you missed karynnj Jan 2016 #35

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