2016 Postmortem

MrMickeysMom

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64. I can't change what you believe...

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:47 PM

Jan 2016

Funny how walking outside the customary reality makes it quite unstable. I realize that in order to hold your reality, it's risky stepping outside it.

Such is life.

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Let's go big, or go home. [View all] elias49 Jan 2016 OP

I agree totally! peacebird Jan 2016 #1

Liked the foreign policy of G.W.Bush? Then VOTE FOR HILLARY! John Poet Jan 2016 #97

yes!! Punkingal Jan 2016 #2

No no no... serious people favor an incremental, one step forward, two steps back approach. n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #3

Much better to lose all your forward momentum with a Republican President? brooklynite Jan 2016 #55

It's about the future of Democracy and the only person who wants to help Most of us 99% . orpupilofnature57 Jan 2016 #4

You're all very sincere, and very wrong. Hortensis Jan 2016 #26

If we don't break the power money has on our system now.... daleanime Jan 2016 #56

Now. Bernie is one of many, not THE ONE HOPE. Hortensis Jan 2016 #61

And you'll tell us.... daleanime Jan 2016 #66

We will eventually join together, behind Hillary or Bernie, Hortensis Jan 2016 #98

Yes. I voted for McGovern way back when. Did he have a chance? No. Did I know it? Yes. libdem4life Jan 2016 #5

Funny thing about this going big, more and more people are with us! highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #6

Pedantic: On shipping containers jeff47 Jan 2016 #7

That takes the edge off, thanks. elias49 Jan 2016 #11

Thank you for saying that for me, jeff. It's an innovative and cost-effective building material. Hekate Jan 2016 #81

I agree. Hillary represents basically more of the same, though a little further Jarqui Jan 2016 #8

Let's go big, or go home enid602 Jan 2016 #9

Bought gas lately? ucrdem Jan 2016 #10

Yeah! Unbelievable! elias49 Jan 2016 #13

Iran deal, among other things. ucrdem Jan 2016 #14

Can I say 'yes' and 'no'? elias49 Jan 2016 #16

Kick - one minor quibble. Juicy_Bellows Jan 2016 #12

Easy for white males to say. They won't have as much to lose under a Trump presidency. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #15

Well, then why elect a democrat at all? leftupnorth Jan 2016 #17

Hillary's plans have a chance to peel off some GOP votes. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #30

Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor.... daleanime Jan 2016 #78

n/t SamKnause Jan 2016 #79

Hillary does not support the TPP, and she started the ball rolling on the Iran agreement. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #82

Now, she doesn't, I have no reason to put any faith in that... daleanime Jan 2016 #85

A Sanders administration would face worse gridlock than Obama or Clinton. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #87

So 'go home', elias49 Jan 2016 #20

No, don't go home. Go forward. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #29

Sorry. All I can do is elias49 Jan 2016 #31

Achievable plans, eh? Do you recall Obama's negotiating strategy in his first term? hedda_foil Jan 2016 #53

n/t SamKnause Jan 2016 #80

I can't believe my eyes mikehiggins Jan 2016 #102

"White males" like this lady? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #39

The African American community is not monolithic. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #46

Neither is the dreaded "white male" community. But, you brought it up. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #47

I didn't say it was. What I brought up was the disparate risk in "going big." nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #48

If President Sanders can't get Single Payer through, the ACA will still be there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #49

His bashing the ACA rather than defending it makes override of a repeal veto more likely. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #50

Again, "calling for an improvement" is not "bashing" Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #51

He's not calling for an improvement. He wants to repeal and replace with single payer. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #52

No he doesn't want to repeal and replace and I'm pretty fucking sure you know that. hedda_foil Jan 2016 #57

You just admitted he wants to "replace" the ACA, not improve it. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #58

Golleee, sunny, you're working awfully hard at pushing this ridiculous drivel, aren't you? hedda_foil Jan 2016 #71

It's really not hard work at all. I'm just stating the obvious. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #73

There is clearly no end to the disingenuousness, is there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #59

What if there's a GOP amendment deleting the replacement part? SunSeeker Jan 2016 #62

If they have a veto proof majority they can repeal it anyway. No matter who is President. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #63

There's more of a chance of a veto proof majority if Sanders gets in. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #72

So you claim. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #75

Polling does not suggest otherwise. Sanders does not support Dems. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #76

He will bring a lot more people to the polls than Hillary will, particularly Millennials Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #77

Wrong. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #84

And she's right on prison, but changing from Schedule I to II is the barest minimum of reform. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #93

That logic is a testimony to a fear-driven society... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #54

My logic is not fear, but reality driven. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #60

I can't change what you believe... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #64

Sure you can. Show me the text of Bernie's plan where he keeps the ACA. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #65

What part of the ACA? MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #69

Can you give me the link to Sanders current single payer proposal? SunSeeker Jan 2016 #74

Here it is... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #99

No it's not. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #100

This is more than a paragraph unless your scroll is stuck... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #108

I am asking for the actual wording, yes. It is not on Sanders' website. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #109

The insult here is your false desire to want an answer, SunSeeker... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #110

Thanks for confirming that there is no plan. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #118

... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #120

What is this Willie Wonka? The Golden ticket?? boston bean Jan 2016 #18

Why does that big red arrow point right in Hillary's logo? elias49 Jan 2016 #21

Veruca Salt says Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #37

As a baby boomer, female Faux pas Jan 2016 #19

You say 'Go big or go home,' murielm99 Jan 2016 #22

Don't dare dream. elias49 Jan 2016 #24

You don't follow my thinking because you choose not to follow it. murielm99 Jan 2016 #27

Ego?? You're shitting me? elias49 Jan 2016 #28

ego = Hillary. 840high Jan 2016 #68

No politician is without ego. murielm99 Jan 2016 #70

Yeap, including reparations!!! No!??!? where... where yaw goin!?!? So much for the going big uponit7771 Jan 2016 #23

Transcription please. Is that a Sarah Palin? elias49 Jan 2016 #25

Gee, why doesn't Sanders "go big" on what the AA left want? SunSeeker Jan 2016 #32

Sorry,but what's the AA left? elias49 Jan 2016 #33

African Americans. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #34

Ah, sorry. elias49 Jan 2016 #35

I agree. Reparations, at least in the form of a check, can't happen now. Neither can single payer. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #36

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #83

Both are equally improbable in today's Washington. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #88

Reparations can work. It does not have to be in the form of a check. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #89

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #90

"We've already done everything that's reasonably possible to help African Americans." SunSeeker Jan 2016 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #92

Wow. Ok, maybe I shouldn't have given you the benefit of the doubt. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #95

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #94

But Free college can!?!?! REALLY!?!?! Where's the "revolution"!? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #41

Nope, she's not offering unicorns with her platform Sanders is. If he's going to proffer the improba uponit7771 Jan 2016 #40

Hillary just plain sucks. What can I say? elias49 Jan 2016 #42

Unilateral measures that go around congress is what she's offering, Sanders will soon uponit7771 Jan 2016 #44

Because that's not even close to a logical argument, for starts. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #43

Sure you got the right post? Clinton's platform isn't calling for improbable measures to pass... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #45

A bicycle has wheels. An airplane has wheels. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #96

Not even close to what I posted, Sanders is political revolution except for reparations... that's no uponit7771 Jan 2016 #114

your point is that if he supports one idea that is unlikely to pass, he's obligated to support Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #119

Yes it is if he's calling for political revolution, if he's not calling for that then what you poste uponit7771 Jan 2016 #121

So he needs to be in favor of building a space elevator out of marshmallows Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #122

No, just be in favor of every left tenant available otherwise his chide against all others for uponit7771 Jan 2016 #123

.....okay. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #124

More Sanders camp ad hom, on this issue that's what people resort to... not cogent counters uponit7771 Jan 2016 #125

cogent counters. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #126

Mmmm, salad. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #38

Aw, they went home on that one. wildeyed Jan 2016 #112

lol... went to their own tree house were they can call everyone who's not a Bernie Bro a sell out uponit7771 Jan 2016 #113

Or a Sarah Palin. wildeyed Jan 2016 #115

Happy K/R for Bernie 840high Jan 2016 #67

Honest question Thenewire Jan 2016 #101

The population is facing hardship NOW. And HAS for decades elias49 Jan 2016 #103

Not when there is big possibility Thenewire Jan 2016 #104

Ridiculous. I don't want the world to burn. elias49 Jan 2016 #106

Sanders will not be able Thenewire Jan 2016 #107

Trump is rich enough that he is even paying for his own jwirr Jan 2016 #116

It was actually pretty good under Bill Clinton. wildeyed Jan 2016 #117

Yeah. Too many presidents and Congresses have wasted too much time... Orsino Jan 2016 #105

Go home! wildeyed Jan 2016 #111

There is a real problem of Nope Addiciton in our country Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #127