2016 Postmortem

Vinca

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110. Why does your argument only apply to Bernie?

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:36 AM

Jan 2016

Is there someone running on a reparation platform and I just haven't noticed it? It seems Bernie's opposition is struggling to find something . . . anything . . . to turn into an issue because it's clear the coronation can't be arranged as quickly as they'd imagined.

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The reason Bernie's dismissal of reparations matters. [View all] DanTex Jan 2016 OP

total bullshit, dan restorefreedom Jan 2016 #1

This is the level of response I expected. I wonder if anyone can come up with something rational? DanTex Jan 2016 #3

what response is that? restorefreedom Jan 2016 #9

Ad hominem, ignoring the question. DanTex Jan 2016 #11

so which issue would you like to discuss? restorefreedom Jan 2016 #21

Well, you can start by reading the OP. DanTex Jan 2016 #24

This! pandr32 Jan 2016 #30

i did read the op and your basic premise is incorrcect restorefreedom Jan 2016 #33

You seriously think that single payer doesn't have "many logistical difficulties"? DanTex Jan 2016 #41

krugman has sold his soul to the devil of greed and capitalism. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #58

Obviously, under the bus goes Krugman. DanTex Jan 2016 #64

hillary has a much bigger staff restorefreedom Jan 2016 #68

Exactly! Empowerer Jan 2016 #89

Good point. riversedge Jan 2016 #53

Funny angrychair Jan 2016 #83

Well that was fun. Rewriting the OP, because as written it was too difficult to respond to. DanTex Jan 2016 #84

Not really angrychair Jan 2016 #87

no one running supports reparations so until EVERYONE gets the same slams and roguevalley Jan 2016 #88

Your desperation is palpable. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #2

Meh, ad hominem. How about a coherent response to the question I raised? DanTex Jan 2016 #4

Your question is stupid. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #6

OK, so you are opposed to reparations in principle, not for political reasons. DanTex Jan 2016 #13

No, because it is a logistical impossibility. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #15

Well, many, many people disagree with you about that. But fair enough. DanTex Jan 2016 #17

You claim it is about priorities. Hillary's priorities are relevant, Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #26

Hillary's priorities are getting things accomplished. DanTex Jan 2016 #27

You are backward. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #51

So Bernie's been against reparations for 40 years? I didn't know that. DanTex Jan 2016 #57

I am not aware of him ever being asked that question before. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #75

That in itself is interesting: he's never even thought about it before. DanTex Jan 2016 #76

Will you please answer my question? I answered yours. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #78

I already did. Clinton is not in favor of reparations, consistent with her overall pragmatism. DanTex Jan 2016 #80

That was not my question. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #82

You complain that Hillary says single payer Can't get done-and Here YOU are saying the Same. riversedge Jan 2016 #61

No I am not. Single payer CAN be done. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #77

It's not a logistical impossibility but it is difficult and complicated Empowerer Jan 2016 #90

Logistics is different than logical Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #93

It was a typo - I'll correct it. Empowerer Jan 2016 #98

Did you read my post beyond the heading? Empowerer Jan 2016 #99

"opposed to reparations in principle"? thomservo Jan 2016 #18

You don't know any of that. joshcryer Jan 2016 #16

How would you determine who is deserving of reparations? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #43

You study it? joshcryer Jan 2016 #54

DNA can't tell you when your ancestor came to America. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #81

Still hypocrisy unless you can explain a pragmatic candidate's mmonk Jan 2016 #5

Dan could give a fuck about reparations or black people he's using reparations as bludgeoning JRLeft Jan 2016 #7

Another ad-hominem. I'm starting to think nobody has a cogent answer. DanTex Jan 2016 #10

I'm black and I can tell when someone is using my people. JRLeft Jan 2016 #12

game, set, match. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #23

If he cared about reparations he would have explained why it's the moral thing to do JRLeft Jan 2016 #28

interesting, isn't it? nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #36

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #38

but if we call bs, its ad hominem. alrighty. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #47

Of course it is. JRLeft Jan 2016 #72

That's quite an accusation. How about keeping the ad hominem out of this? DanTex Jan 2016 #29

It's not ad hominem when it's true. JRLeft Jan 2016 #31

Well, it's not true. But even if it were, it would still be ad hominem -- attacking me and not DanTex Jan 2016 #32

Do you support reparations? JRLeft Jan 2016 #34

Yes. Of course, they'd be difficult in practice, but morally I don't see the argument against them. DanTex Jan 2016 #50

Why? JRLeft Jan 2016 #62

Oh I do, I also realize the only people who will help black people JRLeft Jan 2016 #63

I believe it is morally required to compensate victims of slavery and their descendants. DanTex Jan 2016 #65

Read the post above. JRLeft Jan 2016 #67

OK. Fair enough. DanTex Jan 2016 #71

+1, next they'll call you poopy head and that's when you know the meltdown is comin uponit7771 Jan 2016 #94

The dangerous one, scary man! appalachiablue Jan 2016 #39

Aren't you just repeating what Coates said, basically? Kentonio Jan 2016 #8

What you don't get is that Bernie IS pragmatic and never claimed to be otherwise virtualobserver Jan 2016 #14

Thank you. A plausible response. DanTex Jan 2016 #20

the only cynical element at work is Team Hillary with this kind of attack virtualobserver Jan 2016 #49

and that's ok given our situation in congress.. Sanders popularity is built off of these unicorns uponit7771 Jan 2016 #96

One day Bernie is a right-winger [see guns] the next he's radical leftist ram2008 Jan 2016 #19

I totally support reparations in principle. Bonobo Jan 2016 #22

The reason his stance on reparations matters is... HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #25

"When it comes to reparations, it's difficult to make a moral argument Jarqui Jan 2016 #35

Conflating reparations with single payer is disingenuous to start. OP fails. elias49 Jan 2016 #37

Used reparations as a cover to go after Bernie. JRLeft Jan 2016 #42

It's not conflation, it's drawing a contrast and point out a severe double standard. DanTex Jan 2016 #46

Who's using a double-standard? elias49 Jan 2016 #52

Read the OP again. It's not about Clinton. Why is this so confusing? DanTex Jan 2016 #73

IRONY AWARD! Bonobo Jan 2016 #69

All caps and substance free. The standard Bernie fan response. DanTex Jan 2016 #74

Perhaps this helps fredamae Jan 2016 #40

Since when do Bernie fans restrict them to policies that Obama wants? Is Bernie pro-TPP now? DanTex Jan 2016 #44

Huh? n/t fredamae Jan 2016 #45

Yes, that was my response. Maybe you replied to the wrong OP. DanTex Jan 2016 #48

lol, well..no fredamae Jan 2016 #59

K&R. nt ecstatic Jan 2016 #55

REC. Sanders dodged the question yesterday. Even silly Chuck Todd noted the dodge and asked riversedge Jan 2016 #56

So, Clinton is ready to grant reparations then? I didn't know that. berni_mccoy Jan 2016 #60

Sanders was the best senator in my opinion Thenewire Jan 2016 #66

rather then speaking about money payments, I wish he would mention actual land and homes 'stolen' Sunlei Jan 2016 #70

OP is bullshit. Shameful even. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #79

Because I can use it to try and discredit him.. Fumesucker Jan 2016 #85

Because single payer is for everyone and is uniting and reparations aren't and are divisive. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #86

So, unless EVERYONE benefits from it, is divisive? Empowerer Jan 2016 #91

I confess that I don't understand. Free college at certain colleges and $15./hr minimum wage... highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #105

Lots of people can't get into college for various reasons, including structural discrimination Empowerer Jan 2016 #108

Thank you so much for this. Wonderful answer. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #121

Thank you for asking thoughtful questions Empowerer Jan 2016 #122

Be honest, it only matters because it gives you something to latch onto Matariki Jan 2016 #92

A nerve has been hit, notice the amount of adhoms, red herrings and strawmen in response uponit7771 Jan 2016 #95

Please define reparations. Please give the criteria for reparations. Please give the libdem4life Jan 2016 #97

Those are all issues to be studied and discussed Empowerer Jan 2016 #100

Then I guess I'd ask the same question...especially PBO but HRC as well...why should libdem4life Jan 2016 #102

Which says something about our corrupt political system. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #101

1. Because Clinton supporters are desperate. mhatrw Jan 2016 #103

Equity and fairness are important values, except to Clinton surrogates who mhatrw Jan 2016 #104

Please tell me a Hillary supporter isn't race baiting. Fearless Jan 2016 #106

Such a desperate attack from a failing campaign jfern Jan 2016 #107

This is divisive identity politics BS. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #109

Why does your argument only apply to Bernie? Vinca Jan 2016 #110

Did you read the OP? DanTex Jan 2016 #111

Yes. Vinca Jan 2016 #112

The whole thing? DanTex Jan 2016 #113

My point is that the manufactured brouhaha over Bernie and reparations is, rather obviously, Vinca Jan 2016 #116

Wow, so now Ta-Nehisi Coates is a Hillary apparatchik also. I wonder who gets smeared next? DanTex Jan 2016 #117

I believe he did acknowledge he was a Hillary supporter . . . so why wasn't she included? Vinca Jan 2016 #118

Smear away. I explained the difference between Hillary and Bernie. Most people outside the DanTex Jan 2016 #119

The problem with the piece is that if, during an election season, you are going to address Vinca Jan 2016 #120

Bernie never promised to right all the wrongs of the past. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #114

Your basic premise is -- as usual -- wrong Armstead Jan 2016 #115