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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The reason Bernie's dismissal of reparations matters. [View all]Armstead
(47,803 posts)115. Your basic premise is -- as usual -- wrong
Your "political reality" sounds like once again you are stretching to make an argument for your chosen candidate and against the one you don't like.
It's not because reparations are going to pass congress. Obviously they won't. Neither will single payer or free college for everyone. Bernie isn't running as a pragmatic candidate. He's running as a revolution candidate. He's saying look at the world as it should be, and make it that way. And whenever someone points out that politically his proposals are a pipe dream, they get accused of being "anti-hope".
You mistake positive goals with "pipe dreams." So therefore, you contend, Sanders and his supporters should embrace every "unicorn" in the universe because all of his proposals are unicorns. One unicorn is just as good as another.
Bullshit. While recognizing full well that single payer universal coverage would be an uphill slog to accomplish, it is within the realm of possibility. There are many factors that, with a slight change in the calculation over time, could either bring it about or prompt medium steps in that direction.
Reparations is not in the same category, in terms of the level of current or potential public acceptance and realistic possibility. And it is not generally accepted that reparations is the way to achieve the goal it represents, over other alternatives such as investment in inner cities and, yes, opening the door to college for everyone, including disadvantaged minorities.
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This is the level of response I expected. I wonder if anyone can come up with something rational?
DanTex
Jan 2016
#3
You seriously think that single payer doesn't have "many logistical difficulties"?
DanTex
Jan 2016
#41
Well that was fun. Rewriting the OP, because as written it was too difficult to respond to.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#84
no one running supports reparations so until EVERYONE gets the same slams and
roguevalley
Jan 2016
#88
I already did. Clinton is not in favor of reparations, consistent with her overall pragmatism.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#80
You complain that Hillary says single payer Can't get done-and Here YOU are saying the Same.
riversedge
Jan 2016
#61
Dan could give a fuck about reparations or black people he's using reparations as bludgeoning
JRLeft
Jan 2016
#7
If he cared about reparations he would have explained why it's the moral thing to do
JRLeft
Jan 2016
#28
Well, it's not true. But even if it were, it would still be ad hominem -- attacking me and not
DanTex
Jan 2016
#32
Yes. Of course, they'd be difficult in practice, but morally I don't see the argument against them.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#50
I believe it is morally required to compensate victims of slavery and their descendants.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#65
+1, next they'll call you poopy head and that's when you know the meltdown is comin
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#94
What you don't get is that Bernie IS pragmatic and never claimed to be otherwise
virtualobserver
Jan 2016
#14
the only cynical element at work is Team Hillary with this kind of attack
virtualobserver
Jan 2016
#49
and that's ok given our situation in congress.. Sanders popularity is built off of these unicorns
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#96
It's not conflation, it's drawing a contrast and point out a severe double standard.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#46
Since when do Bernie fans restrict them to policies that Obama wants? Is Bernie pro-TPP now?
DanTex
Jan 2016
#44
REC. Sanders dodged the question yesterday. Even silly Chuck Todd noted the dodge and asked
riversedge
Jan 2016
#56
rather then speaking about money payments, I wish he would mention actual land and homes 'stolen'
Sunlei
Jan 2016
#70
Because single payer is for everyone and is uniting and reparations aren't and are divisive.
highprincipleswork
Jan 2016
#86
I confess that I don't understand. Free college at certain colleges and $15./hr minimum wage...
highprincipleswork
Jan 2016
#105
Lots of people can't get into college for various reasons, including structural discrimination
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#108
A nerve has been hit, notice the amount of adhoms, red herrings and strawmen in response
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#95
Please define reparations. Please give the criteria for reparations. Please give the
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#97
Then I guess I'd ask the same question...especially PBO but HRC as well...why should
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#102
My point is that the manufactured brouhaha over Bernie and reparations is, rather obviously,
Vinca
Jan 2016
#116
Wow, so now Ta-Nehisi Coates is a Hillary apparatchik also. I wonder who gets smeared next?
DanTex
Jan 2016
#117
I believe he did acknowledge he was a Hillary supporter . . . so why wasn't she included?
Vinca
Jan 2016
#118
Smear away. I explained the difference between Hillary and Bernie. Most people outside the
DanTex
Jan 2016
#119