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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Is it clear Karl Rove wants Bernie to run against? Why? [View all]Gothmog
(173,913 posts)67. Anti-Sanders attack ad isn’t quite what it seems to be
Another republican is running an ad designed to help Sanders in the primary process. This ad uses the same trick that Claire McCaskill used in 2012 to select Todd Akin as her opponent because Akin would be the weakest possible general election candidate http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/anti-sanders-attack-ad-isnt-quite-what-it-seems-be
Republicans have made no secret of the fact that theyd prefer to run against Bernie Sanders in the general election. Whether or not their assumptions are correct is a separate question, but GOP officials, convinced that the senator would be easy to defeat, have gone out of their way to help Sanders in the Democratic race.....
At first blush, the move may seem encouraging to Sanders supporters. After all, if Republicans have gone from defending Sanders to attacking him, maybe it means GOP insiders are getting scared of the Vermont independent?
Its a nice idea, but thats not whats going on here. In fact, far from an attack ad, this commercial, backed by a prominent Republican mega-donor, is the latest evidence of the GOP trying to help Sanders, not hurt him.
Indeed, in this case, its hardly even subtle. This commercial touts Sanders support for tuition-free college, single-payer health care, and higher taxes on the super-rich. It concludes that the senator is too liberal, which isnt much of an insult in an ad directed towards liberal voters in Iowa.
In other words, were talking about a Republican mega-donor investing in a faux attack ad to help Sanders win because he sees Sanders as easy to beat in November.
Its the mirror image of the tactic Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) used in the 2012 U.S. Senate race in Missouri, when she invested in ads intended to boost then-Rep. Todd Akin (R) in his primary race, with commercials touting his far-right positions and calling him too conservative. The point was to make Akin look better in the eyes of Missouri Republicans so hed win the primary, making it easier for the incumbent Democrat to defeat him on Election Day.
At first blush, the move may seem encouraging to Sanders supporters. After all, if Republicans have gone from defending Sanders to attacking him, maybe it means GOP insiders are getting scared of the Vermont independent?
Its a nice idea, but thats not whats going on here. In fact, far from an attack ad, this commercial, backed by a prominent Republican mega-donor, is the latest evidence of the GOP trying to help Sanders, not hurt him.
Indeed, in this case, its hardly even subtle. This commercial touts Sanders support for tuition-free college, single-payer health care, and higher taxes on the super-rich. It concludes that the senator is too liberal, which isnt much of an insult in an ad directed towards liberal voters in Iowa.
In other words, were talking about a Republican mega-donor investing in a faux attack ad to help Sanders win because he sees Sanders as easy to beat in November.
Its the mirror image of the tactic Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) used in the 2012 U.S. Senate race in Missouri, when she invested in ads intended to boost then-Rep. Todd Akin (R) in his primary race, with commercials touting his far-right positions and calling him too conservative. The point was to make Akin look better in the eyes of Missouri Republicans so hed win the primary, making it easier for the incumbent Democrat to defeat him on Election Day.
This ad is just another example of the GOP trying to help Sanders become the nominee because the GOP knows that Sanders is the weaker candidate.
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"prolong" the primary? You mean, by rescheduling when the states vote?
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2016
#40
Ah, the old "a vigrorously contested primary season weakens our general election candidate" line.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2016
#48
Yes, well, if we all agreed that it was Hillary's turn, she'd have won it by now.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2016
#54
KarL is a horrid, disgusting puke fuck of a person, but he knows what he is doing, usually
randys1
Jan 2016
#7
Saw it, and it makes you wonder. Clearly Rove is running against Hillary now, he sees
randys1
Jan 2016
#17
I've seen a few people argue that it is a double-mindfuck. Argument goes like this:
emulatorloo
Jan 2016
#28
You mean Karl Rove the asshole who made a complete fool of himself on election night 2012?
tularetom
Jan 2016
#8
"And who really gives a flying fuck if they call him a socialist, he calls himself a socialist."
SDJay
Jan 2016
#19
I don't understand how the "Hillary's Bull Market" ad supports Clinton's electability meme.
emulatorloo
Jan 2016
#21
That makes no sense. You are saying Rove wants to run against Bernie because he knows Bernie
randys1
Jan 2016
#24
Polls showing head to head are meaningless at this stage according to ALL pollsters, pundits.
randys1
Jan 2016
#30
The people voting now are in the Democratic Primary not the general election, how much popularity
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#42
It's not just partisan hatred, it becomes guilt by association, even though Rove
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#45
And also, because if it's Hillary against about any Republican, corporate America wins regardess...
cascadiance
Jan 2016
#31
No, he is doing the opposite. He is attacking Hillary so he can run against Bernie
randys1
Jan 2016
#35
He's smiling when he convinces people like you that those are his intentions...
cascadiance
Jan 2016
#37
So far almost every Bernie supporter on this thread has decided Karl Rove is an
randys1
Jan 2016
#20
I don't believe Rove is an idiot, he's a cynical manipulator, see post# 15. n/t
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#22
Here's a thought...he's not as smart by half than he and others make him out to be.
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#26
Yeah, I get it, almost every single Bernie supporter here other than me, or darn near
randys1
Jan 2016
#27
I just remember when he had Megyn Kelly trot back to the back office because he was
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#32
We all know why Republicans want Bernie as the nominee. They think he's easier to beat, and they're
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2016
#38