2016 Postmortem

VulgarPoet

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Reply to restorefreedom (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:10 PM

Jan 2016

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I love how Clinton supporters go from "Debates don't matter" to "Bad Bernie's avoiding debates" [View all] Armstead Jan 2016 OP

K&R..... daleanime Jan 2016 #1

Debates don't matter until Hillary's calling for them VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #2

.^that 840high Jan 2016 #123

If we could harness that spinning, we could get several gigawatts out of it. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #3

I think you've just found the solution to renewable energy. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #55

They're going to spin themselves right through the earth's crust sarge43 Jan 2016 #64

LOL PatrynXX Jan 2016 #90

Someone better oil that weathervane Mnpaul Jan 2016 #150

Not to mention going from.. aidbo Jan 2016 #4

None of them seem to be taking Schultz to task, that's for sure. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #5

DU Rec. SixString Jan 2016 #6

Turnabout is funny. Eko Jan 2016 #7

And your point (despite my usual too-fast typing errors) is.......? Armstead Jan 2016 #10

And the same crew Eko Jan 2016 #18

Well there is a difference Armstead Jan 2016 #21

Ok. Eko Jan 2016 #23

NO Armstead Jan 2016 #25

Ok. Eko Jan 2016 #35

Personally I would have preferred all three to "coincidentally show up" somewhere with a camera Armstead Jan 2016 #40

Im cool with more debates. Eko Jan 2016 #46

She zentrum Jan 2016 #199

Nice to know you have everything figured out. Eko Jan 2016 #208

Simple solution. Sanction the debate. frylock Jan 2016 #142

To me its not a problem. Eko Jan 2016 #145

I agree. The real story is that Hillary is pretending to want another debate, but won't give DWS GoneFishin Jan 2016 #12

What? Eko Jan 2016 #26

Not pretending. Lying through her teeth. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #44

How is she lying? Eko Jan 2016 #47

How are you not yet on my ignore list. ohh, there it is, bye bye litlbilly Jan 2016 #62

add me also. stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #65

Ignore list for asking how she was lying? Eko Jan 2016 #83

Because you are playing dumb, and some people have no time or patience for that. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #97

Yes, playing dumb. Eko Jan 2016 #120

They may not be playing awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #214

through her teeth, that's how litlbilly Jan 2016 #156

I'd ask how Eko Jan 2016 #159

DWS is a Hillary toady whose job is to do what Hillary tells her to do. bvar22 Jan 2016 #216

test stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #219

it's because of her history of not wanting more debates retrowire Jan 2016 #96

Oh yeah, her history of not wanting more debates. Eko Jan 2016 #119

And it's that statement that makes it fishy. retrowire Jan 2016 #121

I can understand why someone might think it's fishy, Eko Jan 2016 #125

I edited my last post with evidence. retrowire Jan 2016 #127

Well Eko Jan 2016 #131

While a video is more concrete that she said she was "open" to more debates. retrowire Jan 2016 #134

But you said she has a history of being against debates. Eko Jan 2016 #135

Not pushing for debates implies that she's against the idea, yes. retrowire Jan 2016 #136

No it doesnt. Eko Jan 2016 #139

That's the movies. retrowire Jan 2016 #140

You still havent shown that she has a history of being against more debates. Eko Jan 2016 #143

That was the history I was referring to. retrowire Jan 2016 #148

I just have to sit back and shake my head at that one. Eko Jan 2016 #152

I clearly stated it was attributed to more than just one quote retrowire Jan 2016 #155

didnt see that anywhere. Eko Jan 2016 #172

Oh, it only starts at the second line, easy to miss. retrowire Jan 2016 #175

No, I thought you were talking about more than just one quote, Eko Jan 2016 #177

A valid misunderstanding. That's fine. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #179

Thanks, Eko Jan 2016 #181

see, when you say "more than just one quote" Eko Jan 2016 #180

It's in the way I speak. retrowire Jan 2016 #182

"I'd be open..." seems pretty concrete, like standard language you'd find on a contract.. frylock Jan 2016 #144

I dont understand Eko Jan 2016 #147

That Hillary wasn't really open for more debates.. frylock Jan 2016 #149

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. retrowire Jan 2016 #154

So yes, Eko Jan 2016 #164

I have an opinion formed by information available to us all. retrowire Jan 2016 #169

Nope. Eko Jan 2016 #157

I don't know you or your girlfriend. frylock Jan 2016 #158

I dont believe you are capable of having a even remotely honest discussion. Eko Jan 2016 #163

Take it up with the DNC and their sanctions. frylock Jan 2016 #165

What does that have to do with us having a actual conversation? Eko Jan 2016 #167

The conversation is about the rules set forth by the DNC as it concerns debates. frylock Jan 2016 #170

Sorry no, Eko Jan 2016 #173

Yes, you want concrete video evidence of her explicitly stating that she did not want more debates. frylock Jan 2016 #200

Sure, Eko Jan 2016 #209

Don't stop thinking about tomorrow. frylock Jan 2016 #213

But what if the girlfriend doesn't trust you? retrowire Jan 2016 #166

Wow. Eko Jan 2016 #171

But it does change her perception of what you mean by it. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #174

There it is. Eko Jan 2016 #176

Heaven forbid I believe what I see. retrowire Jan 2016 #178

The human eye is so easy to fool. Eko Jan 2016 #184

My impression isn't optical. Nor is it of imagination. retrowire Jan 2016 #185

Sure. Eko Jan 2016 #187

No, Hillary Clinton is DESPERATE for another debate. JimDandy Jan 2016 #29

So Eko Jan 2016 #37

And rules are rules! Kudos to Bernie for refusing because the rules are "no unsanctioned debates and Duval Jan 2016 #66

Yes, especially if the candidate debates are enforced with a contract JimDandy Jan 2016 #117

I believe Hillary truly wants this debate because Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #42

Bernie should keep the two of them twisting in the wind as long as possible. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #57

What she wants is a rigged debate, and biased coverage afterwards. She does NOT want a real debate. reformist2 Jan 2016 #160

yep frylock Jan 2016 #162

They're calling him a coward whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #8

I don't see it FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #9

Lucky you. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #50

Once you catch someone eye-rolling a serious question about someone deserves to die VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #53

I couldn't agree more. historylovr Jan 2016 #72

when did that happen? restorefreedom Jan 2016 #73

On the forum. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #74

wow. glad i didn't see it. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #108

And they claim *we're* the vicious ones. eom VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #109

its the bizarro world for sure. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #114

I do hope that poster isn't really a nurse. frylock Jan 2016 #146

That was a butt ugly post Matariki Jan 2016 #92

Laughing AT people is an empty laughter FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #79

The sheer contempt for the voters is abhorant NowSam Jan 2016 #11

Especially when it makes Hillary look so desperate. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #13

see... bernie is establishment b/c he wont do an unsanctioned debate tk2kewl Jan 2016 #14

Why can't both be true? scscholar Jan 2016 #15

You believe we need more debates, or you don't. This is not an "on the other hand" question Armstead Jan 2016 #17

If HRC breaks her promise, that will haunt her. If HRC & MOM both do, will SBS have stage alone? TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #16

You nailed it. Duval Jan 2016 #71

HRC/MOM would like to prove SBS is just as UNTRUSTWORTHY as THEY ARE! nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #77

Exactly, and the Clinton crowd knows it, despite pretending otherwise. arcane1 Jan 2016 #130

Excellent analysis. They're all thinking 2 or 3 moves ahead. I think Weaver is even further ahead... JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #201

It's the same dynamic with polls - if they look good for HRC, "look at this!!!!" closeupready Jan 2016 #19

Same thing with polls, endorsements, predictions, whatever farleftlib Jan 2016 #20

You noticed that too, huh? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #22

It isn't *all* Clinton supporters who are so unscrupulous, just a particularly noisy subset/clique. Electric Monk Jan 2016 #24

Cellophane. nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #27

They are just like their leader, what else can you expect? Yupy Jan 2016 #28

How odd that you aren't more concerned about Bernie BainsBane Jan 2016 #30

He DID want more debates but agreed to abide by DNC rules dorkzilla Jan 2016 #48

I didn't present it as anything BainsBane Jan 2016 #59

CTDBM127 nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #68

Bernie plays by the rules. eom Duval Jan 2016 #75

I think we know that isn't entirely true BainsBane Jan 2016 #102

Who ever claimed Bernie was loyal to the DNC? retrowire Jan 2016 #113

Did the DNC sanction it? Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #122

Life-long Democrats. Iggo Jan 2016 #141

Wow, that�s some impressive twisting you did there! dorkzilla Jan 2016 #78

I take that as confirmation BainsBane Jan 2016 #87

Hillary is the one who has done a complete about face. And you know that. cui bono Jan 2016 #133

Same rules apply? frylock Jan 2016 #151

+1,000 NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #84

how in the hell retrowire Jan 2016 #101

If you thought that post successfully communicated a point to me BainsBane Jan 2016 #103

lmao that's a shame that you don't understand your own words. :( nt retrowire Jan 2016 #106

The facts do not support your assertion. aidbo Jan 2016 #61

How so? BainsBane Jan 2016 #89

You say he doesn't want more debates now. aidbo Jan 2016 #94

I don't believe that, at all BainsBane Jan 2016 #98

Because he's an honorable person who does not break his word Fumesucker Jan 2016 #110

The exclusivity clause for the DNC sanctioned debates has been.. aidbo Jan 2016 #112

The DNC sanction seemed to mean a whole lot to Hillary Supporter not all that long ago.. frylock Jan 2016 #161

How odd that you don't see that this is about Hillary's hypocrisy since she now wants exposure. cui bono Jan 2016 #132

You love it? I dont, I dont because it appears our party is being torn apart from the randys1 Jan 2016 #31

I know. Why can't Hillary just play by the DNC rules like the rest of the candidates? n/t A Simple Game Jan 2016 #60

I don't really love it....Tone of voice is missing in text Armstead Jan 2016 #69

But I think you do and I think many Bernie supporters are going to fuck this thing up randys1 Jan 2016 #91

I do hope that Sanders' supporters are magnanimous in their victory.. aidbo Jan 2016 #198

EVERYBODY should read this post, aidbo makes an important point. randys1 Jan 2016 #212

It's quite amusing. I'm enjoying it. cali Jan 2016 #32

Cmon now EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #33

"on the outs with DNC" -- poor poor excuse. HRC & Omalley are game. "fear of DNC" is BS. Bill USA Jan 2016 #34

Okay. Whatever Armstead Jan 2016 #67

Lots of perspiration around the Hillary camp! Helen Borg Jan 2016 #36

I don't listen to their nonsense Trajan Jan 2016 #38

Both sides are flipping, it's bizarro land. joshcryer Jan 2016 #39

He's just trying to behave himself Armstead Jan 2016 #43

I think the two front runners are just playing politics. joshcryer Jan 2016 #49

I agree with that..,.But Bernie is being consistent Armstead Jan 2016 #82

That really depends on how IA goes. joshcryer Jan 2016 #207

K&R Punkingal Jan 2016 #41

It's a part of the game and no one has a monopoly. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #45

OM has been most aggressive and consistent. But Bernie's been consistent too Armstead Jan 2016 #63

Ayup. AzDar Jan 2016 #51

This is how her campaign pivots to give the appearance of "bucking the establishment" Mufaddal Jan 2016 #52

I never said debates don't matter. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #54

If you didn't, then the OP doesn't apply to you Armstead Jan 2016 #58

I love flip-flops, but only on the beach in summer. n/t woodsprite Jan 2016 #56

Bernie cant handle the heat workinclasszero Jan 2016 #70

I think you know that's not true Armstead Jan 2016 #80

Debbie Waterboy is feeling some heat right about now.. frylock Jan 2016 #168

The shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it? John Poet Jan 2016 #76

K&R! Duval Jan 2016 #81

I've seen Hillary supporters call him a hypocrite one that bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #85

K & R! SoapBox Jan 2016 #86

I literally saw someone post that (clinton minion) PatrynXX Jan 2016 #88

There is no hypocritical stance too blatant or bizarre for Camp Weathervane to embrace. 99Forever Jan 2016 #93

I'll never forget the clip that asked HRC if she was aware Bernie was coming up on her. libdem4life Jan 2016 #95

Hillbots. . .same as before, only eight years older and eight years more bitter Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #99

So fine let Hillary and O'Malley debate themselves, then everyone could see the DNC rules Todays_Illusion Jan 2016 #100

Whatever It Takes(tm) arcane1 Jan 2016 #104

Tweety doing HRC's dirty work right now - trashing Bernie... polichick Jan 2016 #105

Now he's using the Clintonian right wing talking points Armstead Jan 2016 #107

Two lying liars! How rich that HRC wants more debates now that she's losing! polichick Jan 2016 #111

+1000 blackspade Jan 2016 #115

The ball is in DWS's court. Beowulf Jan 2016 #116

Why the bizarre "disagreement" between Clinton and her toady, DWS? mhatrw Jan 2016 #118

Principles are not their strong suit. cui bono Jan 2016 #124

It would be funny if Faux pas Jan 2016 #126

You got the memo. At least we know the distribution is working. arcane1 Jan 2016 #128

What is there to debate really. Does Hillary have anything new to say? thereismore Jan 2016 #129

Hillary does not want not to debate Bernie after NH awake Jan 2016 #137

Bernie was right. Debbie said no no no. jillan Jan 2016 #138

K+R!!! draa Jan 2016 #153

Nah, its just Sanders is not too much different than the statu quo... he's another face of the uponit7771 Jan 2016 #183

Couldn't of said it any better! lastone Jan 2016 #186

Which supporters, dear? ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #188

Only those who have actually done it Armstead Jan 2016 #189

Oh ok ..... ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #190

Anytime Armstead Jan 2016 #191

smooches! ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #193

Ok. So.. asuhornets Jan 2016 #192

Here Armstead Jan 2016 #194

I am fucking loving this. Autumn Jan 2016 #195

I think people are moreso intrigued by the hypocrisy ecstatic Jan 2016 #196

Nonsense. Bernie will participate in a SANCTIONED debate.. frylock Jan 2016 #202

No, you are mistaken. Bernie is calling for even more SANCTIONED debates. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #203

Doesn't sound very revolutionary... nt ecstatic Jan 2016 #204

When bernie speaks of a revolution he is talking about massively increasing public engagement w/ pol JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #205

It's ludicrous. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #197

You don't HAVE to be a contortionist to support Hillary... Indepatriot Jan 2016 #206

You do if you want to talk about her campaign on DU Fumesucker Jan 2016 #210

Yup. It's pathetic. Helen Borg Jan 2016 #211

LMFAO ...the stupid it Berns Ivan Kaputski Jan 2016 #215

Well, if you want to create an issue, ya gotta be fast; Innertubes & all. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #217

Most, not all but most Clinton supporters are totally without conviction or morality. totodeinhere Jan 2016 #218