2016 Postmortem

OrwellwasRight

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Reply to VulgarPoet (Reply #100)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:55 PM

Jan 2016

there already is a party dedicated to being cheap, and it's not supposed to be us...

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I'm sick of the conservatism which has infiltrated the Dem party [View all] pinebox Jan 2016 OP

Goddess willing, this is the primary season that sees the end of the two party system. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #1

agree about the two party system, but i think paladin his jumped the shark restorefreedom Jan 2016 #3

They said the same thing with Gore. That took what, one district whose eyes weren't on the birdie? VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #6

it will be a nail biter, but i do think this cycle is different restorefreedom Jan 2016 #7

"waaaaay more pissed off people" < Do you think they will be demanding that we re-seat the incumbent jtuck004 Jan 2016 #67

maybe, maybe not restorefreedom Jan 2016 #82

Yes. President Sanders and Evilhair are running campaigns of the spirit, jtuck004 Jan 2016 #98

excellent analysis. one bright spot for me restorefreedom Jan 2016 #114

Our system is based on the 2 party system. wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #202

that's not necessarily a bad thing imo. four parties might be good restorefreedom Jan 2016 #219

I don't think you understand how our system is structured wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #230

it can if we et rid of ridiculous e.c. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #235

Can you explain the reference to OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #192

Apologies; was basically using a synonym of "crusader". VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #197

Thanks, I sort of get it . . .but not really. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #201

I suppose her cause being money would put her closer to anti-paladin VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #205

Got it. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #207

No biggie :) VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #208

That happened before this Primary season. Registered Independents are the largest voting bloc sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #248

great summary of the current state of affairs and what this country needs restorefreedom Jan 2016 #2

Righteous. mmonk Jan 2016 #4

K&R x a zillion CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #5

If you can't tell the difference between Hillary and the GOP, you are part of the problem. DanTex Jan 2016 #8

Not all problems are caused by the GOP Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #12

You're right. I twisted my knee a couple weeks ago, that wasn't the GOP's fault. DanTex Jan 2016 #13

If, if, if....... Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #20

It was actually Bush's fault. Along with the tax cuts he passed, and everything else he did. DanTex Jan 2016 #27

Bush was selected not elected. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #75

In fact Gore actually won fla by all accounts litlbilly Jan 2016 #117

Yep, can't blame Nader. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #120

And every last one of the elected dems that didn't have the grapes to fight. frylock Jan 2016 #134

Yep, they just rolled over. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #146

Exactly! Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #153

Yes everyone is accountable for their actions Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #154

OK, "all" is pushing it. How about "almost all". At the end of the day, any Dem is much better DanTex Jan 2016 #156

I don't know.... Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #165

yup... kenfrequed Jan 2016 #22

Same old "blame Nader" nonsense/ OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #68

I'm blaming Bush. Nader helped getting him elected, but the war is Bush's fault. DanTex Jan 2016 #71

Because so many Dems voted FOR it. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #80

Yes, but obviously the blame lies with Bush. There wasn't any stopping the war once he got elected. DanTex Jan 2016 #84

That's the problem right there. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #88

But it's the truth. The only way to stop it was to prevent Bush from getting DanTex Jan 2016 #95

Right. Fighting is hard. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #102

I agree with most of that. DanTex Jan 2016 #106

It's hard work. Even Hillary will tell you that.. frylock Jan 2016 #137

WTF? OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #194

200,000+ registered Democrats in FL voted for Bush.. frylock Jan 2016 #135

They are culpable as well. So are Republicans who voted for Bush. There's blame to go around. DanTex Jan 2016 #139

Yet they're never brought up until you are reminded of them.. frylock Jan 2016 #143

Because it's obvious -- people who vote GOP share responsibility for what the GOP does. DanTex Jan 2016 #148

You changed your avatar! OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #186

Yeah, I've decided to embrace the defeatism. frylock Jan 2016 #187

LOL! OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #189

I like O'Malley. He was my first choice prior to Bernie's entry. frylock Jan 2016 #190

Thanks! You rock! OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #191

Thanks, exactly the right place to put the blame dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #210

I agree with your post except the part about the butterfly ballot. Given its design, it's Chakab Jan 2016 #86

My point exactly. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #94

Okay. I misunderstood you. The failure to object to the ballot design was definitely on Gore's Chakab Jan 2016 #107

Yes. There had been complaints about butterfly ballots JimDandy Jan 2016 #142

Yeah, Gore ran a terrible campaign, but as far as I am concerned screw Nader. Let him go and enjoy still_one Jan 2016 #169

So how'd Nader force Bill Clinton to gut welfare? jeff47 Jan 2016 #119

Did I say that? DanTex Jan 2016 #121

I edited as you were replying. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #122

I agree with you. Nader had nothing to do with that, and those contributed to his DanTex Jan 2016 #123

The only way to fix flawed Dems is for them to lose. jeff47 Jan 2016 #127

So make them lose in the primaries. That's what you're trying to do right now. DanTex Jan 2016 #130

And when the leadership fucks with the primary? jeff47 Jan 2016 #132

You can't blame leadership when your candidate doesn't win. DanTex Jan 2016 #138

You can when the leadership interferes in the primary jeff47 Jan 2016 #140

A few isolated incidents. Overall, if there were really an appetite for more Bernie Sanderses DanTex Jan 2016 #147

Gotta love how you don't want Hillary to be compared to the GOP but cui bono Jan 2016 #179

I also seem to remember that the vote for the Iraq war authorization was based upon synergie Jan 2016 #37

Numerous International Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #163

High security intelligence briefings by our own intelligence agencies synergie Jan 2016 #184

Sorry, I should have phrased that better... Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #185

CORRECT! THAT IS Da Problem! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #229

Prior to the Iraq war, I could. Prior to the establishment's chosen paladin opening Pandora's box VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #15

That's strange. Bush takes us into Iraq, and it's the Dems fault? And after that you stopped DanTex Jan 2016 #16

Your chosen hero helped. nt. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #17

Lionel Messi helped with the war in Iraq? Really? DanTex Jan 2016 #18

Absolutely adorable. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #21

You're thinking of Ronaldo. DanTex Jan 2016 #24

Eww, Messi? Aquavit Jan 2016 #96

You have a point, right now Suarez is arguably better (or were you thinking Neymar). DanTex Jan 2016 #97

I was thinking Suarez... Aquavit Jan 2016 #99

I guess he missed that. Everything is the fault of Democrat Hillary Clinton. Kingofalldems Jan 2016 #23

The problem is Dems working with the GOP and parroting THEIR talking points. Autumn Jan 2016 #38

One resembles Neville Chamberlain, the other Nazi Germany! nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #42

+1 Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #128

I'm more sick of people who don't want to work for a more progressive congress uponit7771 Jan 2016 #9

After what the DNC has done pinebox Jan 2016 #10

Yes I can, letting perfect be the enemy of good or adequate isn't wise at all... its petulant uponit7771 Jan 2016 #14

We've tried the other ways pinebox Jan 2016 #26

It is also petulant OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #79

I can't believe this shit. I was juror #3 Fuddnik Jan 2016 #225

lol The socialists! pinebox Jan 2016 #236

The posts on DU, tell a differnt story about who is responsible for the CONservatism synergie Jan 2016 #11

You miss my point pinebox Jan 2016 #19

Who, other than you is screaming here? I'm sorry, but it's the supporters I referred to synergie Jan 2016 #25

Quite a few pinebox Jan 2016 #29

If the Clinton's had not SOLD the Democratic Party to the Koch Bros (and others) Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #51

When we're not even allowed to discuss raising taxes there is something wrong with the party. liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #33

Who isn't allowing you to discuss that? synergie Jan 2016 #40

So we're supposed to ignore the doom and gloom cries from y'all VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #100

+1000 OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #195

Right there with you. 99Forever Jan 2016 #28

We have to repudiate Sanders! HassleCat Jan 2016 #30

I need to screencap that shit! LOL pinebox Jan 2016 #31

Never thought I'd see what the republicans are doing to Obama happen within the party VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #101

I sure miss the days when the party was 100% Liberal firebrand80 Jan 2016 #32

So you enable people pinebox Jan 2016 #35

I did what now? firebrand80 Jan 2016 #36

You know exactly what you did and are doing. pinebox Jan 2016 #45

this is more a sign of the dumbth in America olddots Jan 2016 #34

So, did someone hold a gun to your head and make you take those student loans? What is your degree beaglelover Jan 2016 #39

Typical pinebox Jan 2016 #48

Sorry to hear about your disability. I don't know what Alpha 1 is. beaglelover Jan 2016 #54

Here pinebox Jan 2016 #62

Wow, sorry. That sounds really terrible. I do agree that student loans should be interest free at beaglelover Jan 2016 #65

It sucks pinebox Jan 2016 #73

I'm glad to hear that about the ACA. I'm also glad you got approved for SS disability. I know that beaglelover Jan 2016 #74

It wasn't too bad pinebox Jan 2016 #91

I had never heard of Alpha 1. Beacool Jan 2016 #218

It's not fun but... pinebox Jan 2016 #220

Wow, you've really gone to Hell and back. Beacool Jan 2016 #269

thanks pinebox Jan 2016 #270

Yes, it must be. Beacool Jan 2016 #271

wow. Is this what the Democratic Party is now? Sad. liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #53

Do you not agree with personal responsibility? beaglelover Jan 2016 #56

beaglelover what are you doing? pinebox Jan 2016 #64

I believe that only the rich get to go to college in this country these days and I would liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #69

We're not rich and paid for my daughter to get a BS at a 4 year public college. I know lots of seaglass Jan 2016 #171

Pretty obnoxious and standard fare for 1%ers talking down to the 99%. jhart3333 Jan 2016 #81

What did that person major in at college? Why is she working a minimum wage job after beaglelover Jan 2016 #90

You are kidding right? Do you think she wants to be working a minimum wage job after going to liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #108

Which you can thank loosened corporate regulations by your pals at the establishment for VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #111

Oh, I agree with that too. liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #112

So will I be reimbursed for scrimping and saving redstateblues Jan 2016 #109

Now? frylock Jan 2016 #145

Great post! Red Knight Jan 2016 #231

Great illustration of how the country has been pulled to the right. nt abelenkpe Jan 2016 #77

Statistic you probably don't know jeff47 Jan 2016 #124

Is it any wonder why millennials are trending against Hillary VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #126

My son got B.S. in Mathematics in 2012... k8conant Jan 2016 #157

If he wants to make money wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #209

Still runs into that statistic above. There are more STEM graduates than IT jobs. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #261

I'm in high tech wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #262

And the ones who aren't "good"? jeff47 Jan 2016 #263

The you do what a ton of people do wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #264

So, is there a magic job fairy then? jeff47 Jan 2016 #265

I grew up poor wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #267

He is not settling and he is not pathetic... k8conant Jan 2016 #272

I switched from Biotech to Psychology because of this. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #257

Should have thought about that before you had all them babies.. frylock Jan 2016 #141

Oh my god. Hissyspit Jan 2016 #251

That is LITTERALY Republican rhetoric. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #256

You've never been a Democrat, but you're sick of the conservatism which has infiltrated the party? blue neen Jan 2016 #41

Is there are problem with that? pinebox Jan 2016 #50

Yes, WHY haven't you been working for Democrats all along? blue neen Jan 2016 #76

You want to know why pinebox Jan 2016 #87

+1. Would I that I had more than one kick to give. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #103

"Sorry but not sorry I stand for things which you probably don't" blue neen Jan 2016 #170

Would you re-read my post please pinebox Jan 2016 #193

If there is so much "reading fail" in this thread, maybe it's the wording that's the problem. blue neen Jan 2016 #196

Neither pinebox Jan 2016 #222

I agree with everyling in your list! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #258

thanks pinebox Jan 2016 #259

K&R valerief Jan 2016 #43

Well, it certainly sounds like you've made up your mind. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #44

You missed this part pinebox Jan 2016 #55

The OP is speaking to a lot of frustration people are feeling Matariki Jan 2016 #60

Thank you pinebox Jan 2016 #66

1000-yard stares across the board.. frylock Jan 2016 #155

Yup! pinebox Jan 2016 #161

Yes, mocking Independents Oilwellian Jan 2016 #242

I'm sick of the fundamentalist orthodoxy infecting some called progressives Politicub Jan 2016 #46

You know what's tireseome, I'll tell ya pinebox Jan 2016 #57

I agree with you on that. It is tiresome. Politicub Jan 2016 #61

I'm enthusiastic pinebox Jan 2016 #70

I get it. But people can thoughtfully come to a different conclusion about who to support Politicub Jan 2016 #78

It will be hard and I'll be honest pinebox Jan 2016 #83

I don't care about the "will never vote for Hillary" crowd, honestly Politicub Jan 2016 #92

The person you are responding to has already said he will never vote for Hillary. To me his entire seaglass Jan 2016 #173

You say I enable Republicans pinebox Jan 2016 #223

I don't have a candidate. n/t seaglass Jan 2016 #228

The Democratic Party hasn't been infliltrated - IT WAS SOLD to the right wing Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #47

Bingo! pinebox Jan 2016 #58

Massive K&R..... daleanime Jan 2016 #49

LOL - they even spell like Republicans Matariki Jan 2016 #52

Gimme my logo back! pinebox Jan 2016 #59

One Of The First Things I Noticed! Maybe Someone Should Have Gone ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #118

they're so cute when they play radical, innit? MisterP Jan 2016 #253

That Tweeter birdie girl probably got paid by Goldman Sachs, not to worry we know better! Yupy Jan 2016 #63

heh she dislikes me lol pinebox Jan 2016 #72

People get old... or they make a lot of money... fbc Jan 2016 #85

precisely pinebox Jan 2016 #89

Infiltrated? sharp_stick Jan 2016 #93

My own theory of this conservatism sammythecat Jan 2016 #104

Basically "I got mine, you can f off", right? VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #105

Yep. That's pretty much it. sammythecat Jan 2016 #110

Well, it is a "theory" NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #113

Ok but if that's the case pinebox Jan 2016 #115

Evidence? NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #178

lol no stealing identity pinebox Jan 2016 #180

All very well but, 2 things NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #182

Please provide one piece of evidence that OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #200

Here ya go: NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #232

"we should remain open to other ideas that accomplish our ultimate goal" OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #244

Well, I agree with one thing you said: NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #250

The phrase I used, "most, if not all", predicts exceptions. sammythecat Jan 2016 #227

IMO this mindset is part of the reason why unions have been in decline for decades. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #260

Uh, the 2016 platform will be the most left wing in HISTORY. joshcryer Jan 2016 #116

Uh, the 2008 platform called for single-payer healthcare jeff47 Jan 2016 #129

Low information, indeed. frylock Jan 2016 #158

That is a flat out lie. joshcryer Jan 2016 #164

When you have no argument resort to ad hominem attacks pinebox Jan 2016 #149

The platform is created at the DNC. joshcryer Jan 2016 #167

Oh but the DNC is certainly a problem pinebox Jan 2016 #181

The convention not the committee. joshcryer Jan 2016 #204

I disagree pinebox Jan 2016 #241

Man, what happened to you? Trajan Jan 2016 #159

thousands would believe you olddots Jan 2016 #188

When the platform is released we can have this conversation. joshcryer Jan 2016 #206

Damn, that's good! Those disgusting Tweets in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #125

The "not as bad", "lesser of two evils", wing of the party has been with us a long time. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #131

Shall I post some examples of what Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #133

Go for it pinebox Jan 2016 #150

Just a quick sampling -- The rest you can find yourself Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #175

Some of these aren't too bad actually pinebox Jan 2016 #183

Please proceed. frylock Jan 2016 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #174

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #176

Good job just dissing all Hillary supporters. If Sander's wins the nomination do you think he can still_one Jan 2016 #136

Why is it hard to read? Seriously!? pinebox Jan 2016 #151

If it is in the OP it isn't obvious. Your long tedious diatribe WAS directed mostly at Hillary still_one Jan 2016 #166

Lack of reading comprehension and a need to spin us as morons. eom VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #168

He spent the first 3/4 of the OP dissing Hillary supporters, then cleverly puts a brief sentence still_one Jan 2016 #172

Don't be mad pinebox Jan 2016 #243

No, you demonstrated exactly what you are, by your own words still_one Jan 2016 #245

You're right pinebox Jan 2016 #247

a green who doesn't want to be associated with the Democratic party still_one Jan 2016 #254

I've been angry about it for a long time mvd Jan 2016 #144

If the US stays with the SOS from the RNC and DNC, the US will find itself at the bottom of RKP5637 Jan 2016 #152

"Stupid rich ass democrat dipshit" is what I was called.... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #162

It ain't easy supporting the Hillagarchy. mhatrw Jan 2016 #198

I find your sarcastic response disgusting. FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #203

I'm sorry all of this happened to you, Frenchie Cat. blue neen Jan 2016 #214

Thanks blue neen..... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #215

Same here, Frenchie Cat. blue neen Jan 2016 #224

That was unneccessarily snarky comment blue neen Jan 2016 #213

Swooped in to prove her point, wow. Good fucking luck on the campaign trail.... bettyellen Jan 2016 #273

I'll respond in the AM, I'm beat pinebox Jan 2016 #221

Ok let's address this pinebox Jan 2016 #246

Someone who admits TeddyR Jan 2016 #177

Actually there's a lot of support for it pinebox Jan 2016 #216

Peace! And a +1! nt nc4bo Jan 2016 #199

hear, hear AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #211

So, you're admitting you've never been a democrat and complain about "infiltration" Recursion Jan 2016 #212

Why is that interesting? pinebox Jan 2016 #217

Time to kick the right-wing David Brock types out jfern Jan 2016 #226

We aren't here by accident. That's for sure. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #233

"Days of entitlement are over" says one tweeted reply. Ilsa Jan 2016 #234

Thanks! pinebox Jan 2016 #237

There is also the "personal responsibility" right wing meme in this very thread Oilwellian Jan 2016 #252

Yep. Either go into debt or Ilsa Jan 2016 #255

I think three quotes are apropos in this case DAngelo136 Jan 2016 #238

What are Republicans dressed in Democratic clothing called? Phlem Jan 2016 #239

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Jan 2016 #240

Yes and no pinebox Jan 2016 #249

I'm curious pinebox. How did you know to edit your post a few minutes AFTER it was alerted, .... George II Jan 2016 #266

I am so with you. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #268