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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
59. I don't think most docs are going to object.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jan 2016

The 5 person sample of primary providers I've asked about this is small, but those who are in it to actually practice medicine are thrilled with the idea of single payer. They HATE running a business.

Then there are those who see the opportunity for squeezing profits out of every facet and phase of heath care provision. For example, they decide that they need an extremely expensive piece of equipment not because the benefit can't be obtained locally from an other equipment owner, but because they deem ownership to be a profit opportunity that can be enhanced by inserting a new level of "caution" into their procedures.

In fact, a large part of our infrastructure is almost certainly dramatically under utilized. Of course, tightening down the screws will inevitably lead to shortages. But, that is the balancing act which is required; it has to be dynamic in order to have the system operate in the desired area of minimum cost/maximum benefit.

This shows the problems. How does it work in other countries? CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2016 #1
Doctors make much less than they do here, and hospitals are not-for-profit Recursion Jan 2016 #2
Has the OP seen the movie SICKO??????? ViseGrip Jan 2016 #17
I have, several times; he points out that doctors make a lot less in Europe Recursion Jan 2016 #18
No one has skipped anything kristopher Jan 2016 #30
So, how much less will providers make under your proposed reform? Recursion Jan 2016 #33
What do other Doctorates earn? kristopher Jan 2016 #42
BLS only breaks it down to "advanced degree", but that's a start Recursion Jan 2016 #46
I don't think most docs are going to object. kristopher Jan 2016 #59
It's an interesting question, and I'm curious how physicians on the whole would respond Recursion Jan 2016 #63
Uncle Joe posted this today passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #127
And PNHP is 1/10th the size of AMA, which opposes it Recursion Jan 2016 #129
Speaking of cartels... kristopher Jan 2016 #202
Bingo (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #203
That is like trying to compare the salaries 1939 Jan 2016 #187
Oddly enough my two degrees are in Classics and EE Recursion Jan 2016 #194
That's a good point, and I'm not really trying to do that.... kristopher Jan 2016 #200
And the thing not being discussed here, except by you passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #271
I saw Sicko cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #227
No, he pointed out the opposite, actually...The young French doctor he spoke with whathehell Jan 2016 #231
Then she's at about 3 times the French average today Recursion Jan 2016 #233
It was a he.. whathehell Jan 2016 #234
I'm saying the median French physician salary is $65K in USD Recursion Jan 2016 #236
How so? The Euro tracks closely to the U.S. dollar whathehell Jan 2016 #239
That's twice the median household income in France. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #254
They also have healthcare covered boobooday Jan 2016 #286
Works for me. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #29
It doesn't really. IT TAKES OUT THE PROFIT MARGINS OF THE PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES. FourScore Jan 2016 #102
Huh? I literally listed those as a line item. $200 billion dollars (slightly less actually) Recursion Jan 2016 #106
What you are not seeing, and I don't see it in your charts passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #274
So PNHP claims that will reduce payments to doctors and hospitals by $400B Recursion Jan 2016 #300
No, they are saying the whole concept of single payer will reduce it passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #303
Exactly -- Thank you! whathehell Jan 2016 #235
US citizens life expectancy is about 36th in the world Jarqui Jan 2016 #41
Doesn't mortality regularly go down during doctors' strikes? (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #67
If the Harvard report is accurate Jarqui Jan 2016 #77
Right, mortality goes *down*, not up Recursion Jan 2016 #80
We have a lower life expectancy for one reason wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #230
Do you think roughly 29,000 people a year Jarqui Jan 2016 #241
It is simply unbelievably costly wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #242
I don't disagree that obesity is deadly and very costly Jarqui Jan 2016 #244
I don't disagree with most of your opinions wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #246
I don't disagree either. It is unfair to blame the doctors as much as I did Jarqui Jan 2016 #247
I don't see how single payer makes healthcare budgets go on a diet Recursion Jan 2016 #301
With single payer, I think it's tougher for the doctors to say collectively Jarqui Jan 2016 #304
Thanks for this response-my daughter died from a condition that only Stargazer99 Jan 2016 #279
I am so sorry. Jarqui Jan 2016 #281
One little problem enid602 Jan 2016 #134
Financing reform would have *some* impact on tort reform, in fairness Recursion Jan 2016 #137
reform enid602 Jan 2016 #157
Some doctors should be sued passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #280
There is a difference though that needs to be dealt with azurnoir Jan 2016 #215
And, alone among the candidates, O'Malley wants to address that problem Recursion Jan 2016 #217
I think Bernie wants to address it too and not just for health care workers azurnoir Jan 2016 #218
He may well but he's never addressed it, and O'Malley has Recursion Jan 2016 #221
Bernie's never addressed collage tuition? azurnoir Jan 2016 #248
I don't think he's ever talked about postgraduate tuition Recursion Jan 2016 #289
has he categorized by type of tuition, no he has not azurnoir Jan 2016 #291
That figure is far too high. The most I have heard of is $350k. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #251
A lot of it has to do with the fact that in many single payor nations doctors can mucifer Jan 2016 #5
And we saw, politically, what even encouraging discussing end of life decisions did Recursion Jan 2016 #13
It's fascinating to me that the most religious western nation is the most afraid of death Fumesucker Jan 2016 #34
I agree that that is absolutely fascinating, and I've wondered about it for a while Recursion Jan 2016 #36
I get the impression that many think they might not really be quite so saved after all. Fumesucker Jan 2016 #49
somehow I think the question is; Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2016 #3
Well, doctors in other OECD countries make half of what they do in the US Recursion Jan 2016 #8
Yes. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #4
Yes. They might not be overpaid per se, but they are overpaid relative to everyone else. reformist2 Jan 2016 #6
Specialists, anyway. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #32
Which are now 75% of US doctors Recursion Jan 2016 #94
Yep, it's nuts. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #206
Yes. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #7
You need to factor in the cost of college education and med school here in the US ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #9
And malpractice insurance. And staff to wrangle with insurance companies. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #11
Yes that is another factor that is not considered here. How many staff does an insurance company ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #23
How would single payer lower malpractice insurance? Recursion Jan 2016 #196
Compensatory damages would be less, and there might be fewer cases because winter is coming Jan 2016 #213
Why wouldn't the system still be prioritized that way? Recursion Jan 2016 #214
It wouldn't intrinsically have to be. That's a huge difference. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #216
Hell, it doesn't *have to be* now. Recursion Jan 2016 #220
You make the law that medical providers are "agents of the US govt" 1939 Jan 2016 #243
Which gets to one of O'Malley's ideas that I really like Recursion Jan 2016 #12
They do something similiar in the UK, bottom line is we need to look at other systems and stop ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #25
And we need to look at more than just their financing models Recursion Jan 2016 #197
Totally agree many things need to change! nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #309
Get rid of the damn tax cuts for the ultra wealthy. Redistribute! NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #10
I agree with the idea, but that wouldn't reduce our healthcare expenditures Recursion Jan 2016 #15
having worked in Pharma for 23 years - waste. such waste. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #21
Here you go. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #14
So that spends $1.7 Trillion less. Where does it come from? Recursion Jan 2016 #16
Your OP included the current cost of Medicare did it not? Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #19
Sure, Medicare spends some in nearly all of those categories Recursion Jan 2016 #22
How much of that total in your OP do Medicare and Medicaid make up? Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #24
Good question. That's "Table 4" Recursion Jan 2016 #28
Medicare and Medicaid primarily insure the elderly, poor and frail, if everyone were on it, wouldn't Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #70
How would they be reduced? Costs go up if you cover more people. Recursion Jan 2016 #73
If the average cost per person were to go down, shouldn't that count as a reduction in your OP of Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #78
Not necessarily Recursion Jan 2016 #83
So the medical field would have increased demand and need to grow, tuition free universities could Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #96
Tuition forgiveness for doctors is a great idea, that features in O'Malley's proposal Recursion Jan 2016 #97
We have a nursing shortage and the demand for health care is ever increasing in the U.S. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #103
Umm... I'm *calling for* a 50% paycut to doctors. Like, in this very OP. Recursion Jan 2016 #183
Or 1939 Jan 2016 #245
This message was self-deleted by its author Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #27
For starter a deathrind Jan 2016 #20
No. But I'd like to eliminate the millions that insurance executive make question everything Jan 2016 #26
I did, in the OP, as if by magic. You still need to find $1.3 Trillion after that (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #31
When the government is negotiating prices, that pregnancy test on Mr. Smith closeupready Jan 2016 #48
Does it? Wasn't the pregnancy test on men a Medicare fraud case? (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #50
Had nothing to do with Medicare in the case I'm thinking - closeupready Jan 2016 #57
Could be two different cases, but Medicare fraud happens all the time Recursion Jan 2016 #58
Medicare's overhead costs are razor-thin. Apply the same model in order closeupready Jan 2016 #62
Medicare's overhead is $38 billon on $618 billion, or 6% Recursion Jan 2016 #64
Giving individuals money doesn't keep higher education costs down. It inflates costs. closeupready Jan 2016 #66
Yep. The same is true of single payer. Recursion Jan 2016 #71
Do we disagree then? closeupready Jan 2016 #72
No. Medicare's OH is 2%. Some say 1.5%. closeupready Jan 2016 #68
No, I posted it above, and will here. It's 6%, directly from the Center for Medicare Services Recursion Jan 2016 #79
Go to any canadian hospital and check out the cars in the applegrove Jan 2016 #35
I agree. You don't need to make US physician rates to "do fine" (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #39
Your argument is nonsensical for so many reasons and overlooks many things but Skwmom Jan 2016 #37
So, nothing? Recursion Jan 2016 #40
That's a straw man argument fwiff Jan 2016 #38
Canada in particular has high-paid physicians (though not as highly paid as ours) Recursion Jan 2016 #43
What are you talking about?? polly7 Jan 2016 #115
Canadian doctors, not Canadian patients. Let me fix that. (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #116
Still wrong. polly7 Jan 2016 #117
Hence "the thought is"; I have no numbers on that, just the grumblings of Canadians I know (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #118
It's bullshit. polly7 Jan 2016 #119
OK, mass delusion is causing complaints of a doctor shortage in Canada. Got it. Recursion Jan 2016 #120
You said they were crossing the border for better wages? polly7 Jan 2016 #122
OK, well, you need to tell CIHI that, because that and pharma costs are the biggest concerns Recursion Jan 2016 #125
People don't have complaints that lower physicians' salaries are driving physicians polly7 Jan 2016 #131
Well, people complain about untrue things all the time Recursion Jan 2016 #133
And people there 'seem to have' a lot of 'Canadian friends' very unhappy with, and spreading these polly7 Jan 2016 #138
I will, and I know two American doctors practicing in Canada, too Recursion Jan 2016 #139
Your BC friend sounds like a typical right-wing bigot. The type who would love to see polly7 Jan 2016 #142
I thought you said no Canadians complained like that? Recursion Jan 2016 #152
I still don't believe in anecdotes, but you INSIST you have all these Candian friends complaining to polly7 Jan 2016 #155
Ironic, coming from you and what you've just tried to push here. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #140
Um what is? (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #143
How Canadian Health-Care does not suck. polly7 Jan 2016 #121
Well, if I ever see someone who thinks Canadian healthcare sucks, I'll send them to that post Recursion Jan 2016 #123
LOL. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #124
The 'grumblings of Canadians I know'. polly7 Jan 2016 #126
Yep. Recursion Jan 2016 #130
Of course there are shortages that appear to be regional, just as in every country. polly7 Jan 2016 #135
Crickets ?!? polly7 Jan 2016 #144
Can you dial back the damn hostility for a second? I like Canada's healthcare system Recursion Jan 2016 #145
I don't respond well to lies. Could you dial those back a bit? polly7 Jan 2016 #147
And, umm... Recursion Jan 2016 #148
I just explained where most of our doctor shortages occur. polly7 Jan 2016 #149
Umm, OK Recursion Jan 2016 #151
Well, there ya go! polly7 Jan 2016 #153
Once again, you've confused me with someone who thinks the US's system is better than Canada's Recursion Jan 2016 #156
You're the one bringing up all these outdated 'anecdotal' memes to smear our system with polly7 Jan 2016 #161
Huh? You're thinking of somebody else Recursion Jan 2016 #164
What's it going to be tomorrow, Sally Pipes' testimony as proof we're doing it all wrong? nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #165
OK, I've used Canada's system as a model in several posts Recursion Jan 2016 #167
I'm not attacking, I'm defending against the silly memes you continuously trot out. polly7 Jan 2016 #170
Can you at least acknowledge that we agree that Canada's system is better than the US's? Recursion Jan 2016 #177
Do nothing, and let health care costs rise by 10% per year? No. closeupready Jan 2016 #44
O'Malley isn't just talking about doing something, he has a plan that worked in Maryland Recursion Jan 2016 #47
That's a fine start then. It's clear that, as good as Obamacare has been, closeupready Jan 2016 #52
His plan is a nice step. But there is still waste and profiteering at all levels. nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #54
Hospitals and doctors overcharge Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #45
How about EVERYTHING? And how about starting with the FACT that a cent of prevention is mhatrw Jan 2016 #51
So it sounds like you want O'Malley's plan, not Sanders's? Recursion Jan 2016 #53
Yes, you are right. We all need to fight for the right for insurance companies to keep getting mhatrw Jan 2016 #56
Good case made for Omalley here on this subject. Omalley has a track record uponit7771 Jan 2016 #226
+1 Agreed. n/t FSogol Jan 2016 #238
I'm willing to have medical insurance company CEO's collecting unemployment checks! n/t brewens Jan 2016 #55
OK, then my OP asks where the other $1.5 Trillion comes from Recursion Jan 2016 #61
How much from forcing pharmaceutical companies to deal with us straight? We should be getting brewens Jan 2016 #81
As I said, if pharma were magically free, that saves $300 billion Recursion Jan 2016 #84
So this hospital would only be able to charge $4500 instead of $9000 for a bandage and tetanus shot? Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #60
That same hospital is famous for constantly overcharging Medicare too Recursion Jan 2016 #65
I don't pretend to be an expert in this subject, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #69
So does every private insurer. There are two problems: Recursion Jan 2016 #75
There are soooo many things that can be fixed... Skwmom Jan 2016 #74
And financing reform doesn't fix them (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #86
Old Republican talking point AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #76
No, it's arithmetic. Which rows do you want to go down, and by how much? Recursion Jan 2016 #88
Old GOP talking point AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #93
So, you don't actually agree with Sanders's intention to cut $1.7 Trillion from healthcare spending? Recursion Jan 2016 #95
Money wasted on unnecessary insurance middlemen? AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #98
Insurance middlemen get slightly less than $200 billion Recursion Jan 2016 #100
$884 billion per year... AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #104
Nope. That's the (outdated) size of the insurance industry. That counts payments to providers. Recursion Jan 2016 #105
Face it AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #136
Except it's not, without provider reform. It probably has better outcomes Recursion Jan 2016 #141
K&R I like your approach! CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #82
By the way, do you have a cost-comparison between the US closeupready Jan 2016 #85
I do for Canada, though this one is in charts Recursion Jan 2016 #87
does Canada's health authority have auditing functionaries? closeupready Jan 2016 #89
They do, though I don't know much about how they work Recursion Jan 2016 #92
Let's also look at the cost of medical school in this country. SheilaT Jan 2016 #90
Let's definitely do that Recursion Jan 2016 #91
Single payer in and of itself would have nothing to do with medical school costs, SheilaT Jan 2016 #99
I absolutely agree, which is why I'm wary of the simplistic bromides I see from Sanders Recursion Jan 2016 #101
Other countries do limit who can go to college in the first place, SheilaT Jan 2016 #108
You'll start at a salary where you can easily pay it off in a few years, and serve in a rural or Hoyt Jan 2016 #305
I'd love to see medical school be affordable, or tuition free Matariki Jan 2016 #107
I'm a huge fan of that, and I'm glad O'Malley wants to make college debt-free Recursion Jan 2016 #109
Am I willing? Yes, if it stops people from dying due to lack of care artislife Jan 2016 #110
FFS I say *in the OP* that I'm willing to do that too! Recursion Jan 2016 #111
What is your motivation for this OP if not to discourage single payer? artislife Jan 2016 #112
Because I think single payer would be a bad idea Recursion Jan 2016 #113
"Afffordable"" artislife Jan 2016 #114
Get them and the doctors and hospitals out of the way and then we get a fair deal uponit7771 Jan 2016 #229
+1, Same point I made... I don't want to trade a high pay to private industry to a high pay to gov.. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #228
The difference is that artislife Jan 2016 #259
I agree on the in and out of network business, a complete overhaul is what is needed... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #265
True!! artislife Jan 2016 #266
Reduce the staggering costs and debt burden on becoming a doctor. Kentonio Jan 2016 #128
Ban NHS doctors from private work, hospital consultant says Recursion Jan 2016 #132
What are you in favor of, the UK system where you can jump the queue or the Canadian where slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #168
If he couldn't crap on the systems of other countries he'd have nothing to post about, imo. polly7 Jan 2016 #171
WTF are you even talking about? Recursion Jan 2016 #176
That's why you trot out all those untrue statements (from Canadian friends, of course) polly7 Jan 2016 #178
WTF are you talking about? I mentioned complaints of a doctor shortage Recursion Jan 2016 #180
Yeah it is ............ every time. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #181
Personally, I like France's sytem Recursion Jan 2016 #172
He's speaking chiefly about doctors working in the NHS who also do private work though. Kentonio Jan 2016 #169
I think he's speaking entirely about them Recursion Jan 2016 #174
I don't think hospitals should make any money at all. They should be non profit. Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #146
Yes, they should be. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #150
They definitely should be. We're one of the few OECD countries that has them Recursion Jan 2016 #154
Ever notice how much air there is in a bag of potato chips? There used to be more chips and less air Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #158
O'Malley has a plan to make them adopt global budgeting Recursion Jan 2016 #160
Sounds like a scare tactic and distraction Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #173
Then why has Medicare overpayed doctors for the past 15 years? Recursion Jan 2016 #175
They paid whatever rate they wanted to pay. Medicare sets its own reimbursement rates. Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #179
Wait, look at what I said Recursion Jan 2016 #182
I honestly think it's a total non-issue Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #184
Really? You really think that? Recursion Jan 2016 #185
With everybody on the plan yes doctors will accept the plan or they will be out of business Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #190
What if the doctor wants more than Medicare pays? Will he be allowed to bill privately? Recursion Jan 2016 #195
With few exceptions, Canadian hospitals exist as not-for-profit entities. polly7 Jan 2016 #159
Exactly, thank you Recursion Jan 2016 #162
These are Canadian hospitals using Canada's health-care financing system. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #163
Right. Recursion Jan 2016 #166
this argument assumes the goal is to maximize revenue Enrique Jan 2016 #186
I'm asking where the $1.7 trillion comes from. Which rows? Recursion Jan 2016 #188
i don't know Enrique Jan 2016 #287
Only one other country has single payer, Canada Recursion Jan 2016 #288
Good Post. Private Insurance Overhead and Profit: $195 Billion DanTex Jan 2016 #189
+1, this should be continually asked especially by Clinton... Sanders becoming the Pixy Dust candida uponit7771 Jan 2016 #232
As experts study Bernie's plan, they will discover the numbers don't add up.... Sancho Jan 2016 #191
Built into this question My Good Babushka Jan 2016 #192
Not at all; it's assuming those over-inflated prices have to come down. Recursion Jan 2016 #193
I'm more than willing to end My Good Babushka Jan 2016 #198
Malpractice and malpractice insurance? JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #199
Doctors and hospitals spend about $8 billion on malpractice insurance every year Recursion Jan 2016 #201
There's a rumor out there 33% of a doctors salary goes to insurance? JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #204
I'm sure there are some doctors that's true for, certainly not most Recursion Jan 2016 #205
Fear the lawyers. JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #207
But, so, I think this is a good example: tort reform would help *some* Recursion Jan 2016 #208
I'm not against malpractice suits and lawyers JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #209
Since you brought it up (and I know you know)... DanTex Jan 2016 #210
Yeah, that's my worry; I do think patients should have recourse in the courts Recursion Jan 2016 #211
Completely untrue taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #277
Horror stories about malpractice insurance and lawsuits is Republican propaganda... Human101948 Jan 2016 #212
I don't see why hospitals have to make any profit. redwitch Jan 2016 #219
Nor do I. O'Malley's health care plan addresses that; Sanders's doesn't. Recursion Jan 2016 #222
I haven't looked at the details of anyone's plans. redwitch Jan 2016 #225
Answer --YES but probably not necessary Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #223
Only one thing has actually reduced healthcare costs, and that is global rate-setting Recursion Jan 2016 #224
Yes. n/t tazkcmo Jan 2016 #237
Shouldn't we be asking doctors this question?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #240
The patients are the ones paying the bills. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #253
The person providing the service gets to determine how much he he or she will charge for it DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #255
That's fine for mechanics. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #256
Physicians make huge sacrifices. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #257
If there were 4x as many doctors, they'd individually have to make fewer sacrifices. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #261
Physicians for a National Health Program has researched this in detail and polly7 Jan 2016 #258
I support Universal Health Care... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #260
The doctors here, around me - in rural areas that most would consider the least polly7 Jan 2016 #262
I am not disputing the altruism and empathy one needs to be a doctor... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #263
.... and lab-techs, paramedics, receptionists, etc. etc. They all deserve to be polly7 Jan 2016 #264
It's hard work DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #268
I would have loved to be a GP. polly7 Jan 2016 #269
I would have loved to be a GP if someone had lent me 20 IQ points. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #270
But there are plenty of ways to get help with learning it. You probably would have been great. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #273
Thank you for your kind words... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #285
And ........... Paramedics (formerly called EMTS here) polly7 Jan 2016 #272
Yes. Sienna86 Jan 2016 #249
I'm a doctor and this issue is extremely complex Final_Sign Jan 2016 #250
Welcome to DU, Final_Sign! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2016 #284
Welcome to DU, and thanks! Recursion Jan 2016 #294
Why am I supposed to worry about this? Bring in 100,000 H1B doctors. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #252
Yes. It's a bullshit question. But yes anyway. 99Forever Jan 2016 #267
OK, if not doctors and hospitals, which rows do you want to see come down? Recursion Jan 2016 #295
Insurance leaches -100% 99Forever Jan 2016 #296
I did start there. I also zeroed out pharma and government overhead. Find the remaining $1 Trillion Recursion Jan 2016 #297
My wife is a doctor taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #275
Its easy for them to argue for a pay cut when it is somebody else. Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #308
I have a relative in Sweden who is a surgeon Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #276
This is a really great post that exposes the costs in the system taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #278
We need more money for MORE doctors,nurses and other health care workers nolabels Jan 2016 #282
More money means that single payer won't save us money Recursion Jan 2016 #290
Yes, that is exactly what must happen LittleBlue Jan 2016 #283
Administration and Management Salaries should be addressed first. Direct Care staff, Housekeeping Hiraeth Jan 2016 #292
ALSO if it did not COST so much for HIGHER EDUCATION then we could immediately get doctors who are Hiraeth Jan 2016 #293
Really enforce the anti pollution laws, food safety laws, clean air laws, clean water laws, worker Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #298
Why not. We all seem to be fine with people living in poverty, unending war Autumn Jan 2016 #299
Lets do what Canada is doing Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #302
Are you willing to kill off many people Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #306
No, that's why I want doctors and hospitals to make 50% less than they do now Recursion Jan 2016 #307
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