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In reply to the discussion: Are you willing for doctors and hospitals to make half of what they make now [View all]polly7
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Are you willing for doctors and hospitals to make half of what they make now [View all]
Recursion
Jan 2016
OP
It's an interesting question, and I'm curious how physicians on the whole would respond
Recursion
Jan 2016
#63
No, he pointed out the opposite, actually...The young French doctor he spoke with
whathehell
Jan 2016
#231
It doesn't really. IT TAKES OUT THE PROFIT MARGINS OF THE PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
FourScore
Jan 2016
#102
Huh? I literally listed those as a line item. $200 billion dollars (slightly less actually)
Recursion
Jan 2016
#106
A lot of it has to do with the fact that in many single payor nations doctors can
mucifer
Jan 2016
#5
And we saw, politically, what even encouraging discussing end of life decisions did
Recursion
Jan 2016
#13
It's fascinating to me that the most religious western nation is the most afraid of death
Fumesucker
Jan 2016
#34
I agree that that is absolutely fascinating, and I've wondered about it for a while
Recursion
Jan 2016
#36
I get the impression that many think they might not really be quite so saved after all.
Fumesucker
Jan 2016
#49
Yes. They might not be overpaid per se, but they are overpaid relative to everyone else.
reformist2
Jan 2016
#6
You need to factor in the cost of college education and med school here in the US ...
slipslidingaway
Jan 2016
#9
And malpractice insurance. And staff to wrangle with insurance companies. n/t
winter is coming
Jan 2016
#11
Yes that is another factor that is not considered here. How many staff does an insurance company ...
slipslidingaway
Jan 2016
#23
Compensatory damages would be less, and there might be fewer cases because
winter is coming
Jan 2016
#213
They do something similiar in the UK, bottom line is we need to look at other systems and stop ...
slipslidingaway
Jan 2016
#25
Medicare and Medicaid primarily insure the elderly, poor and frail, if everyone were on it, wouldn't
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#70
If the average cost per person were to go down, shouldn't that count as a reduction in your OP of
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#78
So the medical field would have increased demand and need to grow, tuition free universities could
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#96
Tuition forgiveness for doctors is a great idea, that features in O'Malley's proposal
Recursion
Jan 2016
#97
We have a nursing shortage and the demand for health care is ever increasing in the U.S.
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#103
No. But I'd like to eliminate the millions that insurance executive make
question everything
Jan 2016
#26
I did, in the OP, as if by magic. You still need to find $1.3 Trillion after that (nt)
Recursion
Jan 2016
#31
When the government is negotiating prices, that pregnancy test on Mr. Smith
closeupready
Jan 2016
#48
Giving individuals money doesn't keep higher education costs down. It inflates costs.
closeupready
Jan 2016
#66
No, I posted it above, and will here. It's 6%, directly from the Center for Medicare Services
Recursion
Jan 2016
#79
Canada in particular has high-paid physicians (though not as highly paid as ours)
Recursion
Jan 2016
#43
Hence "the thought is"; I have no numbers on that, just the grumblings of Canadians I know (nt)
Recursion
Jan 2016
#118
OK, mass delusion is causing complaints of a doctor shortage in Canada. Got it.
Recursion
Jan 2016
#120
OK, well, you need to tell CIHI that, because that and pharma costs are the biggest concerns
Recursion
Jan 2016
#125
People don't have complaints that lower physicians' salaries are driving physicians
polly7
Jan 2016
#131
And people there 'seem to have' a lot of 'Canadian friends' very unhappy with, and spreading these
polly7
Jan 2016
#138
Your BC friend sounds like a typical right-wing bigot. The type who would love to see
polly7
Jan 2016
#142
I still don't believe in anecdotes, but you INSIST you have all these Candian friends complaining to
polly7
Jan 2016
#155
Well, if I ever see someone who thinks Canadian healthcare sucks, I'll send them to that post
Recursion
Jan 2016
#123
Of course there are shortages that appear to be regional, just as in every country.
polly7
Jan 2016
#135
Can you dial back the damn hostility for a second? I like Canada's healthcare system
Recursion
Jan 2016
#145
Once again, you've confused me with someone who thinks the US's system is better than Canada's
Recursion
Jan 2016
#156
You're the one bringing up all these outdated 'anecdotal' memes to smear our system with
polly7
Jan 2016
#161
What's it going to be tomorrow, Sally Pipes' testimony as proof we're doing it all wrong? nt.
polly7
Jan 2016
#165
I'm not attacking, I'm defending against the silly memes you continuously trot out.
polly7
Jan 2016
#170
Can you at least acknowledge that we agree that Canada's system is better than the US's?
Recursion
Jan 2016
#177
O'Malley isn't just talking about doing something, he has a plan that worked in Maryland
Recursion
Jan 2016
#47
His plan is a nice step. But there is still waste and profiteering at all levels. nt
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#54
How about EVERYTHING? And how about starting with the FACT that a cent of prevention is
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#51
Yes, you are right. We all need to fight for the right for insurance companies to keep getting
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#56
Good case made for Omalley here on this subject. Omalley has a track record
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#226
I'm willing to have medical insurance company CEO's collecting unemployment checks! n/t
brewens
Jan 2016
#55
How much from forcing pharmaceutical companies to deal with us straight? We should be getting
brewens
Jan 2016
#81
So this hospital would only be able to charge $4500 instead of $9000 for a bandage and tetanus shot?
Nye Bevan
Jan 2016
#60
So, you don't actually agree with Sanders's intention to cut $1.7 Trillion from healthcare spending?
Recursion
Jan 2016
#95
Nope. That's the (outdated) size of the insurance industry. That counts payments to providers.
Recursion
Jan 2016
#105
Single payer in and of itself would have nothing to do with medical school costs,
SheilaT
Jan 2016
#99
I absolutely agree, which is why I'm wary of the simplistic bromides I see from Sanders
Recursion
Jan 2016
#101
You'll start at a salary where you can easily pay it off in a few years, and serve in a rural or
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#305
I'm a huge fan of that, and I'm glad O'Malley wants to make college debt-free
Recursion
Jan 2016
#109
Get them and the doctors and hospitals out of the way and then we get a fair deal
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#229
+1, Same point I made... I don't want to trade a high pay to private industry to a high pay to gov..
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#228
I agree on the in and out of network business, a complete overhaul is what is needed...
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#265
What are you in favor of, the UK system where you can jump the queue or the Canadian where
slipslidingaway
Jan 2016
#168
If he couldn't crap on the systems of other countries he'd have nothing to post about, imo.
polly7
Jan 2016
#171
That's why you trot out all those untrue statements (from Canadian friends, of course)
polly7
Jan 2016
#178
He's speaking chiefly about doctors working in the NHS who also do private work though.
Kentonio
Jan 2016
#169
I don't think hospitals should make any money at all. They should be non profit.
Cheese Sandwich
Jan 2016
#146
They definitely should be. We're one of the few OECD countries that has them
Recursion
Jan 2016
#154
Ever notice how much air there is in a bag of potato chips? There used to be more chips and less air
Cheese Sandwich
Jan 2016
#158
They paid whatever rate they wanted to pay. Medicare sets its own reimbursement rates.
Cheese Sandwich
Jan 2016
#179
With everybody on the plan yes doctors will accept the plan or they will be out of business
Cheese Sandwich
Jan 2016
#190
What if the doctor wants more than Medicare pays? Will he be allowed to bill privately?
Recursion
Jan 2016
#195
+1, this should be continually asked especially by Clinton... Sanders becoming the Pixy Dust candida
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#232
As experts study Bernie's plan, they will discover the numbers don't add up....
Sancho
Jan 2016
#191
Doctors and hospitals spend about $8 billion on malpractice insurance every year
Recursion
Jan 2016
#201
Yeah, that's my worry; I do think patients should have recourse in the courts
Recursion
Jan 2016
#211
Horror stories about malpractice insurance and lawsuits is Republican propaganda...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#212
Only one thing has actually reduced healthcare costs, and that is global rate-setting
Recursion
Jan 2016
#224
The person providing the service gets to determine how much he he or she will charge for it
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2016
#255
If there were 4x as many doctors, they'd individually have to make fewer sacrifices.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2016
#261
The doctors here, around me - in rural areas that most would consider the least
polly7
Jan 2016
#262
I am not disputing the altruism and empathy one needs to be a doctor...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2016
#263
.... and lab-techs, paramedics, receptionists, etc. etc. They all deserve to be
polly7
Jan 2016
#264
But there are plenty of ways to get help with learning it. You probably would have been great. nt.
polly7
Jan 2016
#273
I did start there. I also zeroed out pharma and government overhead. Find the remaining $1 Trillion
Recursion
Jan 2016
#297
Administration and Management Salaries should be addressed first. Direct Care staff, Housekeeping
Hiraeth
Jan 2016
#292
ALSO if it did not COST so much for HIGHER EDUCATION then we could immediately get doctors who are
Hiraeth
Jan 2016
#293
Really enforce the anti pollution laws, food safety laws, clean air laws, clean water laws, worker
Dont call me Shirley
Jan 2016
#298
No, that's why I want doctors and hospitals to make 50% less than they do now
Recursion
Jan 2016
#307