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Are you willing for doctors and hospitals to make half of what they make now [View all] Recursion Jan 2016 OP

This shows the problems. How does it work in other countries? CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2016 #1

Doctors make much less than they do here, and hospitals are not-for-profit Recursion Jan 2016 #2

Has the OP seen the movie SICKO??????? ViseGrip Jan 2016 #17

I have, several times; he points out that doctors make a lot less in Europe Recursion Jan 2016 #18

No one has skipped anything kristopher Jan 2016 #30

So, how much less will providers make under your proposed reform? Recursion Jan 2016 #33

What do other Doctorates earn? kristopher Jan 2016 #42

BLS only breaks it down to "advanced degree", but that's a start Recursion Jan 2016 #46

I don't think most docs are going to object. kristopher Jan 2016 #59

It's an interesting question, and I'm curious how physicians on the whole would respond Recursion Jan 2016 #63

Uncle Joe posted this today passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #127

And PNHP is 1/10th the size of AMA, which opposes it Recursion Jan 2016 #129

Speaking of cartels... kristopher Jan 2016 #202

Bingo (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #203

That is like trying to compare the salaries 1939 Jan 2016 #187

Oddly enough my two degrees are in Classics and EE Recursion Jan 2016 #194

That's a good point, and I'm not really trying to do that.... kristopher Jan 2016 #200

And the thing not being discussed here, except by you passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #271

I saw Sicko cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #227

No, he pointed out the opposite, actually...The young French doctor he spoke with whathehell Jan 2016 #231

Then she's at about 3 times the French average today Recursion Jan 2016 #233

It was a he.. whathehell Jan 2016 #234

I'm saying the median French physician salary is $65K in USD Recursion Jan 2016 #236

How so? The Euro tracks closely to the U.S. dollar whathehell Jan 2016 #239

That's twice the median household income in France. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #254

They also have healthcare covered boobooday Jan 2016 #286

Works for me. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #29

It doesn't really. IT TAKES OUT THE PROFIT MARGINS OF THE PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES. FourScore Jan 2016 #102

Huh? I literally listed those as a line item. $200 billion dollars (slightly less actually) Recursion Jan 2016 #106

What you are not seeing, and I don't see it in your charts passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #274

So PNHP claims that will reduce payments to doctors and hospitals by $400B Recursion Jan 2016 #300

No, they are saying the whole concept of single payer will reduce it passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #303

Exactly -- Thank you! whathehell Jan 2016 #235

US citizens life expectancy is about 36th in the world Jarqui Jan 2016 #41

Doesn't mortality regularly go down during doctors' strikes? (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #67

If the Harvard report is accurate Jarqui Jan 2016 #77

Right, mortality goes *down*, not up Recursion Jan 2016 #80

We have a lower life expectancy for one reason wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #230

Do you think roughly 29,000 people a year Jarqui Jan 2016 #241

It is simply unbelievably costly wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #242

I don't disagree that obesity is deadly and very costly Jarqui Jan 2016 #244

I don't disagree with most of your opinions wilt the stilt Jan 2016 #246

I don't disagree either. It is unfair to blame the doctors as much as I did Jarqui Jan 2016 #247

I don't see how single payer makes healthcare budgets go on a diet Recursion Jan 2016 #301

With single payer, I think it's tougher for the doctors to say collectively Jarqui Jan 2016 #304

Thanks for this response-my daughter died from a condition that only Stargazer99 Jan 2016 #279

I am so sorry. Jarqui Jan 2016 #281

One little problem enid602 Jan 2016 #134

Financing reform would have *some* impact on tort reform, in fairness Recursion Jan 2016 #137

reform enid602 Jan 2016 #157

Some doctors should be sued passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #280

There is a difference though that needs to be dealt with azurnoir Jan 2016 #215

And, alone among the candidates, O'Malley wants to address that problem Recursion Jan 2016 #217

I think Bernie wants to address it too and not just for health care workers azurnoir Jan 2016 #218

He may well but he's never addressed it, and O'Malley has Recursion Jan 2016 #221

Bernie's never addressed collage tuition? azurnoir Jan 2016 #248

I don't think he's ever talked about postgraduate tuition Recursion Jan 2016 #289

has he categorized by type of tuition, no he has not azurnoir Jan 2016 #291

That figure is far too high. The most I have heard of is $350k. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #251

A lot of it has to do with the fact that in many single payor nations doctors can mucifer Jan 2016 #5

And we saw, politically, what even encouraging discussing end of life decisions did Recursion Jan 2016 #13

It's fascinating to me that the most religious western nation is the most afraid of death Fumesucker Jan 2016 #34

I agree that that is absolutely fascinating, and I've wondered about it for a while Recursion Jan 2016 #36

I get the impression that many think they might not really be quite so saved after all. Fumesucker Jan 2016 #49

somehow I think the question is; Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2016 #3

Well, doctors in other OECD countries make half of what they do in the US Recursion Jan 2016 #8

Yes. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #4

Yes. They might not be overpaid per se, but they are overpaid relative to everyone else. reformist2 Jan 2016 #6

Specialists, anyway. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #32

Which are now 75% of US doctors Recursion Jan 2016 #94

Yep, it's nuts. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #206

Yes. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #7

You need to factor in the cost of college education and med school here in the US ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #9

And malpractice insurance. And staff to wrangle with insurance companies. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #11

Yes that is another factor that is not considered here. How many staff does an insurance company ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #23

How would single payer lower malpractice insurance? Recursion Jan 2016 #196

Compensatory damages would be less, and there might be fewer cases because winter is coming Jan 2016 #213

Why wouldn't the system still be prioritized that way? Recursion Jan 2016 #214

It wouldn't intrinsically have to be. That's a huge difference. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #216

Hell, it doesn't *have to be* now. Recursion Jan 2016 #220

You make the law that medical providers are "agents of the US govt" 1939 Jan 2016 #243

Which gets to one of O'Malley's ideas that I really like Recursion Jan 2016 #12

They do something similiar in the UK, bottom line is we need to look at other systems and stop ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #25

And we need to look at more than just their financing models Recursion Jan 2016 #197

Totally agree many things need to change! nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #309

Get rid of the damn tax cuts for the ultra wealthy. Redistribute! NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #10

I agree with the idea, but that wouldn't reduce our healthcare expenditures Recursion Jan 2016 #15

having worked in Pharma for 23 years - waste. such waste. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #21

Here you go. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #14

So that spends $1.7 Trillion less. Where does it come from? Recursion Jan 2016 #16

Your OP included the current cost of Medicare did it not? Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #19

Sure, Medicare spends some in nearly all of those categories Recursion Jan 2016 #22

How much of that total in your OP do Medicare and Medicaid make up? Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #24

Good question. That's "Table 4" Recursion Jan 2016 #28

Medicare and Medicaid primarily insure the elderly, poor and frail, if everyone were on it, wouldn't Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #70

How would they be reduced? Costs go up if you cover more people. Recursion Jan 2016 #73

If the average cost per person were to go down, shouldn't that count as a reduction in your OP of Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #78

Not necessarily Recursion Jan 2016 #83

So the medical field would have increased demand and need to grow, tuition free universities could Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #96

Tuition forgiveness for doctors is a great idea, that features in O'Malley's proposal Recursion Jan 2016 #97

We have a nursing shortage and the demand for health care is ever increasing in the U.S. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #103

Umm... I'm *calling for* a 50% paycut to doctors. Like, in this very OP. Recursion Jan 2016 #183

Or 1939 Jan 2016 #245

This message was self-deleted by its author Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #27

For starter a deathrind Jan 2016 #20

No. But I'd like to eliminate the millions that insurance executive make question everything Jan 2016 #26

I did, in the OP, as if by magic. You still need to find $1.3 Trillion after that (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #31

When the government is negotiating prices, that pregnancy test on Mr. Smith closeupready Jan 2016 #48

Does it? Wasn't the pregnancy test on men a Medicare fraud case? (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #50

Had nothing to do with Medicare in the case I'm thinking - closeupready Jan 2016 #57

Could be two different cases, but Medicare fraud happens all the time Recursion Jan 2016 #58

Medicare's overhead costs are razor-thin. Apply the same model in order closeupready Jan 2016 #62

Medicare's overhead is $38 billon on $618 billion, or 6% Recursion Jan 2016 #64

Giving individuals money doesn't keep higher education costs down. It inflates costs. closeupready Jan 2016 #66

Yep. The same is true of single payer. Recursion Jan 2016 #71

Do we disagree then? closeupready Jan 2016 #72

No. Medicare's OH is 2%. Some say 1.5%. closeupready Jan 2016 #68

No, I posted it above, and will here. It's 6%, directly from the Center for Medicare Services Recursion Jan 2016 #79

Go to any canadian hospital and check out the cars in the applegrove Jan 2016 #35

I agree. You don't need to make US physician rates to "do fine" (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #39

Your argument is nonsensical for so many reasons and overlooks many things but Skwmom Jan 2016 #37

So, nothing? Recursion Jan 2016 #40

That's a straw man argument fwiff Jan 2016 #38

Canada in particular has high-paid physicians (though not as highly paid as ours) Recursion Jan 2016 #43

What are you talking about?? polly7 Jan 2016 #115

Canadian doctors, not Canadian patients. Let me fix that. (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #116

Still wrong. polly7 Jan 2016 #117

Hence "the thought is"; I have no numbers on that, just the grumblings of Canadians I know (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #118

It's bullshit. polly7 Jan 2016 #119

OK, mass delusion is causing complaints of a doctor shortage in Canada. Got it. Recursion Jan 2016 #120

You said they were crossing the border for better wages? polly7 Jan 2016 #122

OK, well, you need to tell CIHI that, because that and pharma costs are the biggest concerns Recursion Jan 2016 #125

People don't have complaints that lower physicians' salaries are driving physicians polly7 Jan 2016 #131

Well, people complain about untrue things all the time Recursion Jan 2016 #133

And people there 'seem to have' a lot of 'Canadian friends' very unhappy with, and spreading these polly7 Jan 2016 #138

I will, and I know two American doctors practicing in Canada, too Recursion Jan 2016 #139

Your BC friend sounds like a typical right-wing bigot. The type who would love to see polly7 Jan 2016 #142

I thought you said no Canadians complained like that? Recursion Jan 2016 #152

I still don't believe in anecdotes, but you INSIST you have all these Candian friends complaining to polly7 Jan 2016 #155

Ironic, coming from you and what you've just tried to push here. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #140

Um what is? (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #143

How Canadian Health-Care does not suck. polly7 Jan 2016 #121

Well, if I ever see someone who thinks Canadian healthcare sucks, I'll send them to that post Recursion Jan 2016 #123

LOL. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #124

The 'grumblings of Canadians I know'. polly7 Jan 2016 #126

Yep. Recursion Jan 2016 #130

Of course there are shortages that appear to be regional, just as in every country. polly7 Jan 2016 #135

Crickets ?!? polly7 Jan 2016 #144

Can you dial back the damn hostility for a second? I like Canada's healthcare system Recursion Jan 2016 #145

I don't respond well to lies. Could you dial those back a bit? polly7 Jan 2016 #147

And, umm... Recursion Jan 2016 #148

I just explained where most of our doctor shortages occur. polly7 Jan 2016 #149

Umm, OK Recursion Jan 2016 #151

Well, there ya go! polly7 Jan 2016 #153

Once again, you've confused me with someone who thinks the US's system is better than Canada's Recursion Jan 2016 #156

You're the one bringing up all these outdated 'anecdotal' memes to smear our system with polly7 Jan 2016 #161

Huh? You're thinking of somebody else Recursion Jan 2016 #164

What's it going to be tomorrow, Sally Pipes' testimony as proof we're doing it all wrong? nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #165

OK, I've used Canada's system as a model in several posts Recursion Jan 2016 #167

I'm not attacking, I'm defending against the silly memes you continuously trot out. polly7 Jan 2016 #170

Can you at least acknowledge that we agree that Canada's system is better than the US's? Recursion Jan 2016 #177

Do nothing, and let health care costs rise by 10% per year? No. closeupready Jan 2016 #44

O'Malley isn't just talking about doing something, he has a plan that worked in Maryland Recursion Jan 2016 #47

That's a fine start then. It's clear that, as good as Obamacare has been, closeupready Jan 2016 #52

His plan is a nice step. But there is still waste and profiteering at all levels. nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #54

Hospitals and doctors overcharge Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #45

How about EVERYTHING? And how about starting with the FACT that a cent of prevention is mhatrw Jan 2016 #51

So it sounds like you want O'Malley's plan, not Sanders's? Recursion Jan 2016 #53

Yes, you are right. We all need to fight for the right for insurance companies to keep getting mhatrw Jan 2016 #56

Good case made for Omalley here on this subject. Omalley has a track record uponit7771 Jan 2016 #226

+1 Agreed. n/t FSogol Jan 2016 #238

I'm willing to have medical insurance company CEO's collecting unemployment checks! n/t brewens Jan 2016 #55

OK, then my OP asks where the other $1.5 Trillion comes from Recursion Jan 2016 #61

How much from forcing pharmaceutical companies to deal with us straight? We should be getting brewens Jan 2016 #81

As I said, if pharma were magically free, that saves $300 billion Recursion Jan 2016 #84

So this hospital would only be able to charge $4500 instead of $9000 for a bandage and tetanus shot? Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #60

That same hospital is famous for constantly overcharging Medicare too Recursion Jan 2016 #65

I don't pretend to be an expert in this subject, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #69

So does every private insurer. There are two problems: Recursion Jan 2016 #75

There are soooo many things that can be fixed... Skwmom Jan 2016 #74

And financing reform doesn't fix them (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #86

Old Republican talking point AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #76

No, it's arithmetic. Which rows do you want to go down, and by how much? Recursion Jan 2016 #88

Old GOP talking point AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #93

So, you don't actually agree with Sanders's intention to cut $1.7 Trillion from healthcare spending? Recursion Jan 2016 #95

Money wasted on unnecessary insurance middlemen? AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #98

Insurance middlemen get slightly less than $200 billion Recursion Jan 2016 #100

$884 billion per year... AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #104

Nope. That's the (outdated) size of the insurance industry. That counts payments to providers. Recursion Jan 2016 #105

Face it AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #136

Except it's not, without provider reform. It probably has better outcomes Recursion Jan 2016 #141

K&R I like your approach! CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #82

By the way, do you have a cost-comparison between the US closeupready Jan 2016 #85

I do for Canada, though this one is in charts Recursion Jan 2016 #87

does Canada's health authority have auditing functionaries? closeupready Jan 2016 #89

They do, though I don't know much about how they work Recursion Jan 2016 #92

Let's also look at the cost of medical school in this country. SheilaT Jan 2016 #90

Let's definitely do that Recursion Jan 2016 #91

Single payer in and of itself would have nothing to do with medical school costs, SheilaT Jan 2016 #99

I absolutely agree, which is why I'm wary of the simplistic bromides I see from Sanders Recursion Jan 2016 #101

Other countries do limit who can go to college in the first place, SheilaT Jan 2016 #108

You'll start at a salary where you can easily pay it off in a few years, and serve in a rural or Hoyt Jan 2016 #305

I'd love to see medical school be affordable, or tuition free Matariki Jan 2016 #107

I'm a huge fan of that, and I'm glad O'Malley wants to make college debt-free Recursion Jan 2016 #109

Am I willing? Yes, if it stops people from dying due to lack of care artislife Jan 2016 #110

FFS I say *in the OP* that I'm willing to do that too! Recursion Jan 2016 #111

What is your motivation for this OP if not to discourage single payer? artislife Jan 2016 #112

Because I think single payer would be a bad idea Recursion Jan 2016 #113

"Afffordable"" artislife Jan 2016 #114

Get them and the doctors and hospitals out of the way and then we get a fair deal uponit7771 Jan 2016 #229

+1, Same point I made... I don't want to trade a high pay to private industry to a high pay to gov.. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #228

The difference is that artislife Jan 2016 #259

I agree on the in and out of network business, a complete overhaul is what is needed... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #265

True!! artislife Jan 2016 #266

Reduce the staggering costs and debt burden on becoming a doctor. Kentonio Jan 2016 #128

Ban NHS doctors from private work, hospital consultant says Recursion Jan 2016 #132

What are you in favor of, the UK system where you can jump the queue or the Canadian where slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #168

If he couldn't crap on the systems of other countries he'd have nothing to post about, imo. polly7 Jan 2016 #171

WTF are you even talking about? Recursion Jan 2016 #176

That's why you trot out all those untrue statements (from Canadian friends, of course) polly7 Jan 2016 #178

WTF are you talking about? I mentioned complaints of a doctor shortage Recursion Jan 2016 #180

Yeah it is ............ every time. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #181

Personally, I like France's sytem Recursion Jan 2016 #172

He's speaking chiefly about doctors working in the NHS who also do private work though. Kentonio Jan 2016 #169

I think he's speaking entirely about them Recursion Jan 2016 #174

I don't think hospitals should make any money at all. They should be non profit. Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #146

Yes, they should be. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #150

They definitely should be. We're one of the few OECD countries that has them Recursion Jan 2016 #154

Ever notice how much air there is in a bag of potato chips? There used to be more chips and less air Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #158

O'Malley has a plan to make them adopt global budgeting Recursion Jan 2016 #160

Sounds like a scare tactic and distraction Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #173

Then why has Medicare overpayed doctors for the past 15 years? Recursion Jan 2016 #175

They paid whatever rate they wanted to pay. Medicare sets its own reimbursement rates. Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #179

Wait, look at what I said Recursion Jan 2016 #182

I honestly think it's a total non-issue Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #184

Really? You really think that? Recursion Jan 2016 #185

With everybody on the plan yes doctors will accept the plan or they will be out of business Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #190

What if the doctor wants more than Medicare pays? Will he be allowed to bill privately? Recursion Jan 2016 #195

With few exceptions, Canadian hospitals exist as not-for-profit entities. polly7 Jan 2016 #159

Exactly, thank you Recursion Jan 2016 #162

These are Canadian hospitals using Canada's health-care financing system. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #163

Right. Recursion Jan 2016 #166

this argument assumes the goal is to maximize revenue Enrique Jan 2016 #186

I'm asking where the $1.7 trillion comes from. Which rows? Recursion Jan 2016 #188

i don't know Enrique Jan 2016 #287

Only one other country has single payer, Canada Recursion Jan 2016 #288

Good Post. Private Insurance Overhead and Profit: $195 Billion DanTex Jan 2016 #189

+1, this should be continually asked especially by Clinton... Sanders becoming the Pixy Dust candida uponit7771 Jan 2016 #232

As experts study Bernie's plan, they will discover the numbers don't add up.... Sancho Jan 2016 #191

Built into this question My Good Babushka Jan 2016 #192

Not at all; it's assuming those over-inflated prices have to come down. Recursion Jan 2016 #193

I'm more than willing to end My Good Babushka Jan 2016 #198

Malpractice and malpractice insurance? JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #199

Doctors and hospitals spend about $8 billion on malpractice insurance every year Recursion Jan 2016 #201

There's a rumor out there 33% of a doctors salary goes to insurance? JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #204

I'm sure there are some doctors that's true for, certainly not most Recursion Jan 2016 #205

Fear the lawyers. JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #207

But, so, I think this is a good example: tort reform would help *some* Recursion Jan 2016 #208

I'm not against malpractice suits and lawyers JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #209

Since you brought it up (and I know you know)... DanTex Jan 2016 #210

Yeah, that's my worry; I do think patients should have recourse in the courts Recursion Jan 2016 #211

Completely untrue taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #277

Horror stories about malpractice insurance and lawsuits is Republican propaganda... Human101948 Jan 2016 #212

I don't see why hospitals have to make any profit. redwitch Jan 2016 #219

Nor do I. O'Malley's health care plan addresses that; Sanders's doesn't. Recursion Jan 2016 #222

I haven't looked at the details of anyone's plans. redwitch Jan 2016 #225

Answer --YES but probably not necessary Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #223

Only one thing has actually reduced healthcare costs, and that is global rate-setting Recursion Jan 2016 #224

Yes. n/t tazkcmo Jan 2016 #237

Shouldn't we be asking doctors this question?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #240

The patients are the ones paying the bills. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #253

The person providing the service gets to determine how much he he or she will charge for it DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #255

That's fine for mechanics. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #256

Physicians make huge sacrifices. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #257

If there were 4x as many doctors, they'd individually have to make fewer sacrifices. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #261

Physicians for a National Health Program has researched this in detail and polly7 Jan 2016 #258

I support Universal Health Care... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #260

The doctors here, around me - in rural areas that most would consider the least polly7 Jan 2016 #262

I am not disputing the altruism and empathy one needs to be a doctor... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #263

.... and lab-techs, paramedics, receptionists, etc. etc. They all deserve to be polly7 Jan 2016 #264

It's hard work DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #268

I would have loved to be a GP. polly7 Jan 2016 #269

I would have loved to be a GP if someone had lent me 20 IQ points. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #270

But there are plenty of ways to get help with learning it. You probably would have been great. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #273

Thank you for your kind words... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #285

And ........... Paramedics (formerly called EMTS here) polly7 Jan 2016 #272

Yes. Sienna86 Jan 2016 #249

I'm a doctor and this issue is extremely complex Final_Sign Jan 2016 #250

Welcome to DU, Final_Sign! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2016 #284

Welcome to DU, and thanks! Recursion Jan 2016 #294

Why am I supposed to worry about this? Bring in 100,000 H1B doctors. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #252

Yes. It's a bullshit question. But yes anyway. 99Forever Jan 2016 #267

OK, if not doctors and hospitals, which rows do you want to see come down? Recursion Jan 2016 #295

Insurance leaches -100% 99Forever Jan 2016 #296

I did start there. I also zeroed out pharma and government overhead. Find the remaining $1 Trillion Recursion Jan 2016 #297

My wife is a doctor taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #275

Its easy for them to argue for a pay cut when it is somebody else. Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #308

I have a relative in Sweden who is a surgeon Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #276

This is a really great post that exposes the costs in the system taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #278

We need more money for MORE doctors,nurses and other health care workers nolabels Jan 2016 #282

More money means that single payer won't save us money Recursion Jan 2016 #290

Yes, that is exactly what must happen LittleBlue Jan 2016 #283

Administration and Management Salaries should be addressed first. Direct Care staff, Housekeeping Hiraeth Jan 2016 #292

ALSO if it did not COST so much for HIGHER EDUCATION then we could immediately get doctors who are Hiraeth Jan 2016 #293

Really enforce the anti pollution laws, food safety laws, clean air laws, clean water laws, worker Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #298

Why not. We all seem to be fine with people living in poverty, unending war Autumn Jan 2016 #299

Lets do what Canada is doing Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #302

Are you willing to kill off many people Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #306

No, that's why I want doctors and hospitals to make 50% less than they do now Recursion Jan 2016 #307