2016 Postmortem

SDJay

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49. Probably Not, But

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:41 AM

Jan 2016

From what I've read and understand, Bernie is not an atheist. He simply chooses not to push it into people's faces in public, which I really respect given how so many Rs never STFU about how they love them some Republican Jesus, as he's the foundation of their hatred for basically everyone.

In fact, I'd guess - and let's be honest, all we can do is guess - that he's more publicly honest about his beliefs than Hillary or even Obama, whom I've always thought to be a closet agnostic. But again, that's just a guess. Religion is just part of the whole kabuki dance of being a public figure in this country, and I don't like that at all.

It's strange, too, in that atheists/agnostics now make up a pretty big part of the population. Something around 20-25 percent if I recall correctly, which makes them the second largest group. You'd think it wouldn't be political voodoo to just acknowledge what you believe or don't, but it still is.

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Is America Ready to elect a non-religious president? [View all] kennetha Jan 2016 OP

Is he Jewish or an Atheist? RiverLover Jan 2016 #1

He said he believes in God. That's not being an atheist. These bigoted religious threads suck and merrily Jan 2016 #26

I go along with Ambrose Bierce's definitions hobbit709 Jan 2016 #40

Forgive me, but, while I appreciate you, for the moment, I don't care about what you go along with. merrily Jan 2016 #45

Of course they are. The spin machine is going so fast the bearings are overheating. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #50

Hillary's surrogates have been on TV this past week with "atheist" and merrily Jan 2016 #56

It's no different than lying about Obama not being a Christian. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #63

Very true. /nt RiverLover Jan 2016 #66

Yes, Hillary's camp did, in 2008, imply Obama was Muslim. merrily Jan 2016 #68

Being Jewish is more than just a religion though. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #90

Not sure. merrily Jan 2016 #92

You're right, I misspoke. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #94

There's a first time for everything. Never known you to mispeak before. merrily Jan 2016 #98

I think Hillary's campaign is pushing it for both reasons. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #99

Agree, but not only Christians. merrily Jan 2016 #102

Oh,they tried. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #133

I think it's a safe bet that we already have had a non-religious President. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #2

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2016 #22

Possibly even the current occupant of the WH. (n/t) thesquanderer Jan 2016 #115

Absolutely. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #124

Like the third ShrimpPoboy Jan 2016 #129

It's questionable, so many Americans are so totally brainwashed. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #3

Jewish refers to both a culture, some say DNA, and a religion. It's complicated. libdem4life Jan 2016 #4

Not really wondering about you kennetha Jan 2016 #6

Say what? n/t libdem4life Jan 2016 #10

Sorry...it's early...I got it. Yes, you may be right. libdem4life Jan 2016 #12

You're not wondering. You're trying to perform a hatchet job over Sanders' concept of God. merrily Jan 2016 #96

If you read the article kennetha Jan 2016 #5

Where did he say he has no religious conviction? merrily Jan 2016 #18

Define "not all that culturally jewish". beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #33

He's Jewish enough for Cruz Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #74

I doubt it. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #7

Well as long as you have a list of the kinds of discrimination that are okay. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #11

They sure seem ready to nominate one. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #8

aaaahhh... So today's attack is going to be Bernie Sanders isn't Jewish enough. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #9

This is a "sticky wicket" as my friend used to say. No win here for the attackers. libdem4life Jan 2016 #13

I'm Jewish and I back Bernie. Health Wagon Jan 2016 #14

This is an interesting angle Lordquinton Jan 2016 #122

That is my understanding. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #136

Why not? Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #15

What's wrong with being godless? NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #17

LOL! Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #19

Claiming he's lying about his religious beliefs is an attack. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #35

Okay whatever NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #117

you don't care, and I don't care... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #140

The man said he believes in God. Therefore calling him an atheist is a lie, not an insult, a lie. merrily Jan 2016 #61

Most of America Non-Religious? kennetha Jan 2016 #21

Either blind or ignorant. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #25

Well, aren't you precious. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #28

He said he believes in God. How is that close to Atheism? merrily Jan 2016 #16

Well, at best he's a pantheist kennetha Jan 2016 #20

No, pantheism isn't "just really a fancy name for atheism". winter is coming Jan 2016 #31

Where are you getting these definitions? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #34

use your little brain... kennetha Jan 2016 #36

We're to use our brains to agree with definitions you made up? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2016 #46

not just your brain passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #134

That is not the definition of atheism. Atheists don't believe in gods. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #53

Jury results: TacoD Jan 2016 #59

Personal assults of other DU members are now OK on DU riversedge Jan 2016 #105

Losing a jury call (esp. 4-3) doesn't mean it's OK on DU. thesquanderer Jan 2016 #114

Nope. Pantheism is a belief. Though "god" may reside bvf Jan 2016 #64

No that's not right. kennetha Jan 2016 #73

There's no shortage of ignorant teachers. You know that. bvf Jan 2016 #84

You "teach this stuff"? Where, Liberty University? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #137

out of his posterior. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #44

You don't want to know. merrily Jan 2016 #57

My guess is Conservapedia beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #60

Really? I thought they were being pulled straight out of his or her ear. merrily Jan 2016 #62

Well from past experience most people who make up shit to smear atheists have a source. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #69

Checked conservapedia. It's definition does not match what Bernie said. merrily Jan 2016 #76

Um, no and no. You are pulling stuff out of your ear. merrily Jan 2016 #38

"...pantheist which is just really a fancy name for atheism." bvf Jan 2016 #47

you want to match wits kennetha Jan 2016 #55

LOL! bvf Jan 2016 #78

You need to stop trying to use tough words. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #77

Well, in his defense, he read it on the internet, so it must me true. cleanhippie Jan 2016 #138

... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #141

He's being defined as a "Jew from New York" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2016 #23

What atheism? He said he believes in God. How is that atheism? merrily Jan 2016 #41

aside from the fact that he is not an atheist passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #135

I Sure Am Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #24

Most folks do not know as Sanders has yet to be vetting by the media.. riversedge Jan 2016 #27

You think his Judaism should be vetted? JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #51

YOU said that -not me. riversedge Jan 2016 #103

Well you were replying to a post about his religion and his being Jewish JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #107

only in our bubble do you make stuff up and point blame and say it is true. Btw- riversedge Jan 2016 #111

You brought vetting into a thread about his religion. jeff47 Jan 2016 #109

Yes. Please media. Looking into his "Jewishness" Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #81

Please comprehend the article--it talkes o non-religious with a small r--NOT riversedge Jan 2016 #108

So what do you think the media will find when the vet him Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #110

Well for starts-then you missed the point of my post since OP headline was riversedge Jan 2016 #112

Oh, your point was pretty clear, all right. bvf Jan 2016 #116

Like Trump is religious? Beanie is Jewish. sinkingfeeling Jan 2016 #29

I'd be wary of comparing kennetha Jan 2016 #30

One religious dog whistle at a time please. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #32

If Bernie wins the democratic nomination workinclasszero Jan 2016 #37

"self avowed socialism and atheism"? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #82

Link or article title where Bernie has said that he is an Atheist. SamKnause Jan 2016 #106

Who will we blame? Lordquinton Jan 2016 #123

There's another OP somewhere quoting a poll that Americans think Hillary and Trump are the least Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2016 #39

Go Ber-nie! Go Ber-nie! Go Ber-nie! Go Ber-nie! cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #42

America needs a broader definition of "religious." N/t gollygee Jan 2016 #43

so, #notjewishenoughbernie is the meme of the day restorefreedom Jan 2016 #48

Probably Not, But SDJay Jan 2016 #49

many people don't get it...judaism is a non proselytizing religion restorefreedom Jan 2016 #52

The issues voter had with Obama - I don't think this will fare much better liberal N proud Jan 2016 #54

Well Word of God says.... DreWId Jan 2016 #58

It might be easier for a secular Jew than for someone who was born Christian but left the Church. bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #65

Religious bigotry has no place in politics! in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #67

Now it's "he's not really Jewish!". The dog whistles are deafening. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #71

Exactly. I can't wait to see what they pull out of their bag of slime next. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #75

A thread claiming Obama wasn't really a Christian would get hidden or locked and righfully so.. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #80

Yep...always has been. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #89

It's a fun Catch 22 Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #83

Brought to you by the same candidate who refused to say Omama wasn't a Muslim in 2008. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #85

It really is. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #86

We knew they would go full-on anti-Semitic, it was only a matter of time. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #88

The fact we have to ask that question is depressing. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #70

It is depressing kennetha Jan 2016 #79

How is he an atheist when he said he "believes" in God? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #87

No atheist and no honest person defines a belief in God as atheism. This is religious bigotry. merrily Jan 2016 #93

The lack of Hillary supporters calling out this intolerance is telling. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #97

Staying on message. Religious bigotry seems to be the order of the day, literally. merrily Jan 2016 #100

And one last night, it's a coordinated effort. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #101

Being raised Jewish means there is no "lack of religion" here. Are you kidding me? in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #95

I worry more about anyone who consorts with The Family. n/t demmiblue Jan 2016 #72

There are several things you don't get Bad Thoughts Jan 2016 #91

Americans are religious. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #104

Sanders is as atheist.... AlbertCat Jan 2016 #113

This bigotry against non Christians is ridiculous jfern Jan 2016 #118

If Trump is the nominee... NCTraveler Jan 2016 #119

but they think he is Jesus Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #128

"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust senz Jan 2016 #120

Why do the Bernie backers protest so much? workinclasszero Jan 2016 #121

According to our Constitution, SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #127

Rs aren't the only ones. bvf Jan 2016 #139

Well, according to our Constitution, SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #125

This American would prefer a non believer PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #126

More than ready. Eager!!!! nt valerief Jan 2016 #130

The 'religious' ones have screwed our country over pretty much non-stop... Peace Patriot Jan 2016 #131

Hell yes! I literally cannot wait! passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #132