Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Are you willing for doctors and hospitals to make half of what they make now [View all]DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)260. I support Universal Health Care...
My point...
My cousin is a doctor. My fiancee's uncle and aunt are doctors. My best friend's dad was a doctor. My dad put up street signs for a living. I was able to take more vacations than my friend because his dad was so wed to his practice.
My only point is it is going to take incentives, greater than what is customary, to get folks to become doctors.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
309 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Are you willing for doctors and hospitals to make half of what they make now [View all]
Recursion
Jan 2016
OP
It's an interesting question, and I'm curious how physicians on the whole would respond
Recursion
Jan 2016
#63
No, he pointed out the opposite, actually...The young French doctor he spoke with
whathehell
Jan 2016
#231
It doesn't really. IT TAKES OUT THE PROFIT MARGINS OF THE PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
FourScore
Jan 2016
#102
Huh? I literally listed those as a line item. $200 billion dollars (slightly less actually)
Recursion
Jan 2016
#106
A lot of it has to do with the fact that in many single payor nations doctors can
mucifer
Jan 2016
#5
And we saw, politically, what even encouraging discussing end of life decisions did
Recursion
Jan 2016
#13
It's fascinating to me that the most religious western nation is the most afraid of death
Fumesucker
Jan 2016
#34
I agree that that is absolutely fascinating, and I've wondered about it for a while
Recursion
Jan 2016
#36
I get the impression that many think they might not really be quite so saved after all.
Fumesucker
Jan 2016
#49
Yes. They might not be overpaid per se, but they are overpaid relative to everyone else.
reformist2
Jan 2016
#6
You need to factor in the cost of college education and med school here in the US ...
slipslidingaway
Jan 2016
#9
And malpractice insurance. And staff to wrangle with insurance companies. n/t
winter is coming
Jan 2016
#11
Yes that is another factor that is not considered here. How many staff does an insurance company ...
slipslidingaway
Jan 2016
#23
Compensatory damages would be less, and there might be fewer cases because
winter is coming
Jan 2016
#213
They do something similiar in the UK, bottom line is we need to look at other systems and stop ...
slipslidingaway
Jan 2016
#25
Medicare and Medicaid primarily insure the elderly, poor and frail, if everyone were on it, wouldn't
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#70
If the average cost per person were to go down, shouldn't that count as a reduction in your OP of
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#78
So the medical field would have increased demand and need to grow, tuition free universities could
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#96
Tuition forgiveness for doctors is a great idea, that features in O'Malley's proposal
Recursion
Jan 2016
#97
We have a nursing shortage and the demand for health care is ever increasing in the U.S.
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#103
No. But I'd like to eliminate the millions that insurance executive make
question everything
Jan 2016
#26
I did, in the OP, as if by magic. You still need to find $1.3 Trillion after that (nt)
Recursion
Jan 2016
#31
When the government is negotiating prices, that pregnancy test on Mr. Smith
closeupready
Jan 2016
#48
Giving individuals money doesn't keep higher education costs down. It inflates costs.
closeupready
Jan 2016
#66
No, I posted it above, and will here. It's 6%, directly from the Center for Medicare Services
Recursion
Jan 2016
#79
Canada in particular has high-paid physicians (though not as highly paid as ours)
Recursion
Jan 2016
#43
Hence "the thought is"; I have no numbers on that, just the grumblings of Canadians I know (nt)
Recursion
Jan 2016
#118
OK, mass delusion is causing complaints of a doctor shortage in Canada. Got it.
Recursion
Jan 2016
#120
OK, well, you need to tell CIHI that, because that and pharma costs are the biggest concerns
Recursion
Jan 2016
#125
People don't have complaints that lower physicians' salaries are driving physicians
polly7
Jan 2016
#131
And people there 'seem to have' a lot of 'Canadian friends' very unhappy with, and spreading these
polly7
Jan 2016
#138
Your BC friend sounds like a typical right-wing bigot. The type who would love to see
polly7
Jan 2016
#142
I still don't believe in anecdotes, but you INSIST you have all these Candian friends complaining to
polly7
Jan 2016
#155
Well, if I ever see someone who thinks Canadian healthcare sucks, I'll send them to that post
Recursion
Jan 2016
#123
Of course there are shortages that appear to be regional, just as in every country.
polly7
Jan 2016
#135
Can you dial back the damn hostility for a second? I like Canada's healthcare system
Recursion
Jan 2016
#145
Once again, you've confused me with someone who thinks the US's system is better than Canada's
Recursion
Jan 2016
#156
You're the one bringing up all these outdated 'anecdotal' memes to smear our system with
polly7
Jan 2016
#161
What's it going to be tomorrow, Sally Pipes' testimony as proof we're doing it all wrong? nt.
polly7
Jan 2016
#165
I'm not attacking, I'm defending against the silly memes you continuously trot out.
polly7
Jan 2016
#170
Can you at least acknowledge that we agree that Canada's system is better than the US's?
Recursion
Jan 2016
#177
O'Malley isn't just talking about doing something, he has a plan that worked in Maryland
Recursion
Jan 2016
#47
His plan is a nice step. But there is still waste and profiteering at all levels. nt
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#54
How about EVERYTHING? And how about starting with the FACT that a cent of prevention is
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#51
Yes, you are right. We all need to fight for the right for insurance companies to keep getting
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#56
Good case made for Omalley here on this subject. Omalley has a track record
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#226
I'm willing to have medical insurance company CEO's collecting unemployment checks! n/t
brewens
Jan 2016
#55
How much from forcing pharmaceutical companies to deal with us straight? We should be getting
brewens
Jan 2016
#81
So this hospital would only be able to charge $4500 instead of $9000 for a bandage and tetanus shot?
Nye Bevan
Jan 2016
#60
So, you don't actually agree with Sanders's intention to cut $1.7 Trillion from healthcare spending?
Recursion
Jan 2016
#95
Nope. That's the (outdated) size of the insurance industry. That counts payments to providers.
Recursion
Jan 2016
#105
Single payer in and of itself would have nothing to do with medical school costs,
SheilaT
Jan 2016
#99
I absolutely agree, which is why I'm wary of the simplistic bromides I see from Sanders
Recursion
Jan 2016
#101
You'll start at a salary where you can easily pay it off in a few years, and serve in a rural or
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#305
I'm a huge fan of that, and I'm glad O'Malley wants to make college debt-free
Recursion
Jan 2016
#109
Get them and the doctors and hospitals out of the way and then we get a fair deal
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#229
+1, Same point I made... I don't want to trade a high pay to private industry to a high pay to gov..
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#228
I agree on the in and out of network business, a complete overhaul is what is needed...
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#265
What are you in favor of, the UK system where you can jump the queue or the Canadian where
slipslidingaway
Jan 2016
#168
If he couldn't crap on the systems of other countries he'd have nothing to post about, imo.
polly7
Jan 2016
#171
That's why you trot out all those untrue statements (from Canadian friends, of course)
polly7
Jan 2016
#178
He's speaking chiefly about doctors working in the NHS who also do private work though.
Kentonio
Jan 2016
#169
I don't think hospitals should make any money at all. They should be non profit.
Cheese Sandwich
Jan 2016
#146
They definitely should be. We're one of the few OECD countries that has them
Recursion
Jan 2016
#154
Ever notice how much air there is in a bag of potato chips? There used to be more chips and less air
Cheese Sandwich
Jan 2016
#158
They paid whatever rate they wanted to pay. Medicare sets its own reimbursement rates.
Cheese Sandwich
Jan 2016
#179
With everybody on the plan yes doctors will accept the plan or they will be out of business
Cheese Sandwich
Jan 2016
#190
What if the doctor wants more than Medicare pays? Will he be allowed to bill privately?
Recursion
Jan 2016
#195
+1, this should be continually asked especially by Clinton... Sanders becoming the Pixy Dust candida
uponit7771
Jan 2016
#232
As experts study Bernie's plan, they will discover the numbers don't add up....
Sancho
Jan 2016
#191
Doctors and hospitals spend about $8 billion on malpractice insurance every year
Recursion
Jan 2016
#201
Yeah, that's my worry; I do think patients should have recourse in the courts
Recursion
Jan 2016
#211
Horror stories about malpractice insurance and lawsuits is Republican propaganda...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#212
Only one thing has actually reduced healthcare costs, and that is global rate-setting
Recursion
Jan 2016
#224
The person providing the service gets to determine how much he he or she will charge for it
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2016
#255
If there were 4x as many doctors, they'd individually have to make fewer sacrifices.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2016
#261
The doctors here, around me - in rural areas that most would consider the least
polly7
Jan 2016
#262
I am not disputing the altruism and empathy one needs to be a doctor...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2016
#263
.... and lab-techs, paramedics, receptionists, etc. etc. They all deserve to be
polly7
Jan 2016
#264
But there are plenty of ways to get help with learning it. You probably would have been great. nt.
polly7
Jan 2016
#273
I did start there. I also zeroed out pharma and government overhead. Find the remaining $1 Trillion
Recursion
Jan 2016
#297
Administration and Management Salaries should be addressed first. Direct Care staff, Housekeeping
Hiraeth
Jan 2016
#292
ALSO if it did not COST so much for HIGHER EDUCATION then we could immediately get doctors who are
Hiraeth
Jan 2016
#293
Really enforce the anti pollution laws, food safety laws, clean air laws, clean water laws, worker
Dont call me Shirley
Jan 2016
#298
No, that's why I want doctors and hospitals to make 50% less than they do now
Recursion
Jan 2016
#307