2016 Postmortem

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Where was Bernie's "political revolution" in 2014 when GOPers took over both houses of Congress? [View all] Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 OP

Yeah! What an ass for trying to do something now! morningfog Jan 2016 #1

dodge number 1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #4

Lol. Here's number two. This is an asinine post. morningfog Jan 2016 #8

WHERE was Hillary? John Poet Jan 2016 #124

busy NOT being the great mobilizer... that's Sanders standard he holds himself to not others uponit7771 Jan 2016 #135

then you admit that she can't mobilize anyone? That she is about as motivational roguevalley Jan 2016 #199

Yes, I admit that and that's not a knock against her... that's not her wheelhouse she's saying uponit7771 Jan 2016 #207

Why are you folks incapable of engaging in any conversation about Sanders without bringing Hillary Empowerer Jan 2016 #144

The Democratic party hadn't overtly collapsed yet AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #201

It's not collapsed now!!! Its dealing with a historically gerrymandered GOP congress that few if any uponit7771 Jan 2016 #204

It has become a party running away from itself AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #205

So you think if congress was 80% dem like it was under FDR SP wouldn't pass!? Come on uponit7771 Jan 2016 #208

The party has become right wing AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #216

Unbelievable, eh? MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #182

Here and now is the right time and place for Bernie Sanders. n/t JimDandy Jan 2016 #2

where was his leadership when these issues needed him n the past other than at a microphone? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #7

It takes timing and backing. We've found him now and are backing him big time! JimDandy Jan 2016 #33

So it wasnt time to back Obama when these issues were front and center? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #47

No moving the goal posts now. tsk tsk... And that's all folks. Bye now. JimDandy Jan 2016 #53

They keep telling us it's not about one man, but it's about the movement Empowerer Jan 2016 #54

It was synergy. The people at the bottom found someone at the top working on the same thing. JimDandy Jan 2016 #70

So Obama what was Obama working for?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #74

He didn't have OUR backs. Turns out it was all about HIS back JimDandy Jan 2016 #80

never mind the 8.4 million new jobs the US has added since 2010. ucrdem Jan 2016 #85

This insanity again....Obama has gotten done around 80 % of his agenda uponit7771 Jan 2016 #93

I can't help you with your introspection or him with his legacy. JimDandy Jan 2016 #106

Your candidate is on the wrong aide of 'these issues' AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #202

+1 Sanders has never been the leader hes chided others for not being. So far it looks like he stood uponit7771 Jan 2016 #3

Too many DINOs running Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #5

wait theres MORE conservative influence now... and its gerrymandered... its worse now uponit7771 Jan 2016 #12

Yes but my hope is Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #30

grow spines to do what?! Punch a republican in the mouth?!?! theyre gerrymandered...a goper can burn uponit7771 Jan 2016 #43

We also have a Senate Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #91

Call 1-800-Glasses and 1-800 Dig Deep JimDandy Jan 2016 #102

Progressives didn't stay home. (n/t) SMC22307 Jan 2016 #78

Have you ever watched a cat have to dump on a tile floor? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #6

That's hilarious. morningfog Jan 2016 #9

................. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #13

Perfect response. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #81

+1 draa Jan 2016 #134

Ha! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #200

He wasn't running for President? Autumn Jan 2016 #10

so the only time hes a leader is when hes running for president? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #17

Keep trying Autumn Jan 2016 #29

dodge number 6... so far a bunch of sorry excuses to a fair question uponit7771 Jan 2016 #44

That's all you got. Autumn Jan 2016 #48

It a silly flame bait question. morningfog Jan 2016 #63

Its an idiotic question AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #203

With a bunch deflections on where was HRC or DWS (who wasn't even DNC lead) or anyone... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #206

Sanders was having lunch with Thom Hartmann --week after week--diagnosing riversedge Jan 2016 #11

+1...so far thats what it looked like... sat on the sidelines and chunked rocks uponit7771 Jan 2016 #21

Bingo Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #38

Until there is some serious thinking placed into electing Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #14

This avenue of attack seems borderline psychotic to me. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #15

It REALLY does. retrowire Jan 2016 #20

dodge number 3 to a rational question uponit7771 Jan 2016 #25

It's not an attack, it's a question - one that I've also been asking for some time and for which Empowerer Jan 2016 #59

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #111

That's 'cause it is. I'd suspect a troll could do worse with less evidence... marble falls Feb 2016 #230

He had to run for president to create the revolution honeylady Jan 2016 #16

Hes still a Senator, nothing has changed... Sanders can only make a difference as president? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #26

He can make MORE of a difference as president. white_wolf Jan 2016 #126

Ugh I already answered this question in another thread. retrowire Jan 2016 #18

The issues existed!!!! Single payer didnt just pop up a year ago!!! Sanders couldnt mobilize people uponit7771 Jan 2016 #51

lol retrowire Jan 2016 #100

Yes, you're right... why wait till now to move people on these issues?!? Also, was the expectation uponit7771 Jan 2016 #125

he was busy passing more legislation than retrowire Jan 2016 #143

So he'll be LESS busy as president to mobilize people to influence congress?!! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #151

he already is. are you not witnessing that? nt retrowire Jan 2016 #156

My point is him beimg busy is a piss poor excuse cause he's going to be MORE busy as president than uponit7771 Jan 2016 #171

it's happening. get over it. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #174

2009 is passed Sanders sitting on his hands when he couldve acted isn't something to get over uponit7771 Jan 2016 #178

keep living in the past then lol. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #183

2016 enid602 Jan 2016 #19

Surely you can provide the vote record to prove he was "doing nothing"? Scootaloo Jan 2016 #22

That's a very good question mcar Jan 2016 #23

He was the toast of the town when he was crapping on the Obama bailout. ucrdem Jan 2016 #24

It worked to keep banks too big to fail and grow bigger yet; Bernie fought to change the terms amborin Jan 2016 #121

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #137

TARP couldn't exactly fail. joshcryer Jan 2016 #220

We were being told to shut up, that DWS and the rest of the establishment jeff47 Jan 2016 #27

So your NOT going to be told to shut up after Sanders is president?! Sounds like a bunch of excuses uponit7771 Jan 2016 #37

Oh, I'm sure you'll be here to tell us to shut up. jeff47 Jan 2016 #45

another non issue dodge.... being told to shut up was never an issue then uponit7771 Jan 2016 #57

Non-issue dodge like what Sanders will do after he's elected? jeff47 Jan 2016 #62

They'll tell us that DWS was only responsible for helping win state propositions... cascadiance Jan 2016 #46

The Republicans whose ways you're going to change will do more than tell you to shut up Empowerer Jan 2016 #69

You keep pretending we're morons. Please stop. jeff47 Jan 2016 #84

You're the one who said you couldn't start the revolution because DWS told you to shut up . . . Empowerer Jan 2016 #110

So we're terrible for actually believing our party leadership? jeff47 Jan 2016 #119

DWS wasn't responsible for the massive losses in 2010 - she didn't become DNC Chair until 2011 Empowerer Jan 2016 #127

Good thing we're talking about 2014 then. jeff47 Jan 2016 #136

+1, theres only a revolution if these guys are talked to nicely uponit7771 Jan 2016 #96

So all one has to do is tell people to shut up.... Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #194

No, we trusted our party leadership. jeff47 Jan 2016 #195

Bernie warned the Democratic Party in 2014, did they listen? Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #28

Here's what happened to the American Dream ucrdem Jan 2016 #35

That doesn't address the issues, Bernie brought up in the video that I just posted. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #40

It addresses the OP. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #42

No it doesn't the OP asked this. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #49

Speechifying to an empty chamber about how bad things are is less than helpful. ucrdem Jan 2016 #64

1. That's more a condemnation of the Senate than Bernie. 2. They could've viewed it on youtube if Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #99

LOL, so where are Mr Popular's senate endorsements? ucrdem Jan 2016 #109

Do you mean this lady; Nina Turner? Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #112

You mean the former Ohio state senator? ucrdem Jan 2016 #114

You also missed the point of my previous post, Bernie is the most popular Senator in the "nation," Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #133

Ah. Vermont. ucrdem Jan 2016 #140

Yes Vermont! Kudos to Vermont for giving us Bernie. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #145

Bernies is claiming he can do more than stand in front of a microphone!!! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #98

He is but this is a marathon, not a sprint. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #105

The issues were alive and well then...where was Sanders ability to mobilize people then? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #129

Bernie was a Senator from a small state, not a President with a bully pulpit, why didn't the Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #139

Most revolutionaries in America never need a large station in life to mobilize people...MLK didn't uponit7771 Jan 2016 #148

RFK had a few major advantages, having a famous name; brother of JFK, being from a larger state. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #152

None of that mattered in the black community at the time...RFK was known because he didnt hold back uponit7771 Jan 2016 #158

Of course it mattered, you don't believe having a famous name, being the brother of a beloved Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #162

ok MLK had none of that and still didnt wait to do the right thing when it was needed to be done... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #166

Bernie has never sat on the sidelines, his mobilizing ability is enhanced Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #177

Complete and utter bullshit. cui bono Jan 2016 #31

Sanders is the revolutionary not Clinton... Hes the one claiming he can move the coalition of people uponit7771 Jan 2016 #34

He was doing his job. He was speaking out. That his colleagues didn't listen to him is not his fault cui bono Jan 2016 #58

If his colleagues haven't listened to him in the decades he's been in Congress, why would they Empowerer Jan 2016 #130

Who said his colleagues haven't listened to him in the decades he's been in Congress? cui bono Jan 2016 #218

Another rational question with tons of dodges uponit7771 Jan 2016 #32

And what exactly did DWS do to stop it? hobbit709 Jan 2016 #36

Where were you in 2014, speaking of much talk and little action? - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #39

He has guts for trying at all HassleCat Jan 2016 #41

Where was the party's leader Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #50

In 2014 it was Obama's fault. Virtually every Dem candidate distanced themselves from Obama tk2kewl Jan 2016 #68

LOL Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #75

So Sanders was waiting on the party leaders before he decides to mobolize?!?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #71

Is. Sanders the Dem. Leader ? I could have sworn that was DWS Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #97

no leader waits to do the right thing when it needs to be done right now... If Sanders had this... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #154

The Sanders phenomenon is a cult of personality-there is no plan redstateblues Jan 2016 #52

Hmm.. Are you a descendant of Marie Antoinette? cascadiance Jan 2016 #56

I'm a lifelong Democrat and rank and file Union member redstateblues Jan 2016 #90

Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean he doesn't have one! cascadiance Jan 2016 #170

Thanks for the personal insult. I'm not talking about his goals. That's all well and good redstateblues Jan 2016 #196

Maybe he hasn't built alliances with the oligarchy that you seem to feel he needs to... cascadiance Jan 2016 #214

So all the elected Democrats in Congress are Oligarchs? redstateblues Jan 2016 #225

+1, Based of all the weak dodges in this thread this seems spot on uponit7771 Jan 2016 #60

LOL!!! cui bono Jan 2016 #65

If Hillary is such an unbeatable Presidential Candiate, why didn't she defeat Dubya in 2004? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #55

She didnt feel like it back then?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #66

Right, she was busy doin' other stuff around then, to be sure. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #72

irrelevant, HRC has never claimed the mantel of revolutionary ... Sanders has uponit7771 Jan 2016 #76

I would say you are moving the goalposts Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #92

Sanders set the goal post for himself not others uponit7771 Jan 2016 #103

If you say so. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #104

Talk to DWS and the corporate dems who did nothing. Bernie had nothing to do with it, how pathetic litlbilly Jan 2016 #61

BERNGHAZI!!! cui bono Jan 2016 #67

We sure are getting a lot of IDIOTIC posts from both sides here. BillZBubb Jan 2016 #73

this is a fair question; why hold all this prowess Sanders has until now? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #79

You are one of the worst offenders. BillZBubb Jan 2016 #86

How is this dumb? its more than fair...why wait until now to start a revolution? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #108

Who waited? cui bono Jan 2016 #219

Hillary supporters just dont give up on the Republican/Karl Rove INdemo Jan 2016 #77

So Sanders couldn't act without the DNC?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #82

You are making absolutely no sense INdemo Jan 2016 #107

perfect sense... Sanders didn't need the DNC to mobilize people to influence congress to get single uponit7771 Jan 2016 #141

I think you're drunk go sleep it off.............. INdemo Jan 2016 #147

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Jan 2016 #160

Something is off......for sure. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #210

Oh for �� sake. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #83

You can't be serious? ljm2002 Jan 2016 #87

My question isn't about the Senator from the state of Vermont - it's about the movement he claims Empowerer Jan 2016 #142

The movement, arguably, started with OWS... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #192

Not Good Enough Bernie!! neverforget Jan 2016 #88

Nope, now I can see where that came from uponit7771 Jan 2016 #113

Umm, there wasn't a Presedential election in 2014. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #89

Um weren't Obama and DWS more responsible for electoral failure than Bernie? What about Pelosi... Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #94

That's true if Sanders had the ability to mobilize people to influence congress but just decided to uponit7771 Jan 2016 #120

Sorry but this whole argument is lame. Grasping desperate fail. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #128

Hahahahha RedCappedBandit Jan 2016 #95

Why so fucking bitter? elias49 Jan 2016 #101

Dont know what these Hillary fans are smokin' tonight INdemo Jan 2016 #116

Want to see what Bernie was doing in 2014 ? Jarqui Jan 2016 #115

Oh thats good !! INdemo Jan 2016 #118

Our "Champion!" n/t ram2008 Jan 2016 #175

Well that's gotta hurt. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #212

The opposition to deathrind Jan 2016 #117

The SAME place Hillary's was. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #122

Not Claiming the title of revolutionary?!! Sanders claims that title not Clinton...thats his burden uponit7771 Jan 2016 #131

What does it MEAN... this thing you say. "Claiming the title of revolutionary"? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #153

yes he's said this is a political revolution... he's never claimed Hillary was the leader (link) uponit7771 Jan 2016 #163

No quote. Next? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #165

first paragraph uponit7771 Jan 2016 #173

I'm sorry Senator Sanders, but you won't fool children of the revolution. ucrdem Jan 2016 #123

OMG ..you know Hillary is going to lose becasue these people are INdemo Jan 2016 #138

HRC numbers are up in IA but more important Sanders has platued in SC .. where the state uponit7771 Jan 2016 #161

. Perogie Jan 2016 #132

The Revolution was waiting on Obama. He never showed up. draa Jan 2016 #146

So Sanders needed Obamas permission to mobilize people to influence congress? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #149

Perhaps you should ask Bernie. draa Jan 2016 #150

No he didn't need Obamas permission or DWS's ... Sanders, like every good leader didn't need.... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #157

Move and mobilize what? draa Jan 2016 #167

Nobody heard pf MLK either!!! MLK was literally a nobody... and mobilize people to influence congres uponit7771 Jan 2016 #169

MLK? draa Jan 2016 #179

Yes, MLK wasn't known and wasn't a senator and lead a revolution like Sanders is claiming he can uponit7771 Jan 2016 #187

Sanders and his supporters say its not about him, but about the people - and his supporters vow to Empowerer Jan 2016 #181

I'll try to answer it. draa Jan 2016 #189

OK, why do you think you WOULD have gotten ANY of this from Sanders now or back then?! tia uponit7771 Jan 2016 #191

Back then? draa Jan 2016 #197

Him being known unknown has never stopped any of the revolutionaries in the past. There have uponit7771 Jan 2016 #211

Would you rather I put you on ignore? draa Jan 2016 #213

Mhm SheenaR Jan 2016 #155

I can tell you where DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #159

Again thats a piss poor reason for some with the mobilizing ability Sanders had to sit on the uponit7771 Jan 2016 #168

being focus grouped? BainsBane Jan 2016 #164

Flame Bait 101 - Bernie "sat back and watched" in 2014 jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #172

No... worse ...he sat back and did little to nothing. If he had this ability to mobilize and move uponit7771 Jan 2016 #176

if you want to know about Senator Sanders' actions in 2014, look it up. jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #185

My question was about 2009ish, and the whole point... no matter what the year... is uponit7771 Jan 2016 #186

Let's see...where was Secretary Clinton on Wednesday night this week? jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #190

NOT being a revolutionary, that's Sanders self title not Hillarys. She want's to raise money by uponit7771 Jan 2016 #193

Good Lord... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #180

Let them play. It distracts them from other places on the site. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #198

Yeah, that's the ticket. Kall Jan 2016 #184

Because the Democratic Party wasn't in full collapse AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #188

Now's is your chance to vote for him foe president Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #209

Enjoy your weekend. It's going to be a bleak Monday. frylock Jan 2016 #215

Bwahahahaha... whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #217

Gerrymandering after 2010 took the House away. mmonk Jan 2016 #221

Bwahahaha.. LOVE watching you. cali Jan 2016 #222

I keep thinking there is a bottom to the horseshit Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #223

Is this all you got??? Vinca Jan 2016 #224

You don`t see a lot of action? democrank Jan 2016 #226

He couldn't be bothered. Only when it was beneficial to R B Garr Jan 2016 #227

Another asinine post. I think you've set a new record. Congratulations. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #228

+INFINITY. nt nc4bo Jan 2016 #229