2016 Postmortem

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20. And it's obvious if people vote for her, they don't want change, just the status quo

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:20 AM

Jan 2016

If it's Clinton versus Trump, it's one corporate stooge against another and the electorate will be caught in the middle.

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Our political system is deeply corrupt. That means [View all] cali Jan 2016 OP

Hillary acknowledges the corrupting influence of money gyroscope Jan 2016 #1

And it's obvious if people vote for her, they don't want change, just the status quo OnlinePoker Jan 2016 #20

And it's a bottom up fix Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #2

Good point. Andy823 Jan 2016 #5

The tone is set from the top Armstead Jan 2016 #12

Exactly. zeemike Jan 2016 #13

Exactly, at best trying to fix this from the bottom up would take about 30 years. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #18

The foxes run the henhouses at all levels too Armstead Jan 2016 #8

This is the thing that must be changed SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #9

+1. My hope is that if Hillary wins, Bernie and MOM partner to work with the awakened groundswell JudyM Jan 2016 #10

There are sure a lot of young Sanders supporters pangaia Jan 2016 #14

There are a lot of young supporters of all of the candidates ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #21

Absolutely correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #19

Which is why I don't get caught up in the Bernie side Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #22

So true ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #32

Right, we all live in separate little kingdoms with no outside influences. daleanime Jan 2016 #34

What are you talking about ... other than, providing a perfect example of my point? 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #42

You can't start in any one place..... daleanime Jan 2016 #27

sadly agree. navarth Jan 2016 #3

I wonder if it's realistically possible to expect reform frizzled Jan 2016 #4

I don't know, but it just can't be ignored anymore cali Jan 2016 #6

I completely disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #25

Historically, that isn't so. frizzled Jan 2016 #29

That is historically incorrect ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #33

I think you're asking for a society that has no hierarchy. frizzled Jan 2016 #38

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #44

Hm, how'd the American Revolution go again? frizzled Jan 2016 #48

Very well for the landed aristocracy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #49

Same sex marriage. Birth control + the right to an abortion had huge revolutionary societal impact Arazi Jan 2016 #47

And none of these social revolutions were top down ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #50

46 years from Stonewall to marriage equality Arazi Jan 2016 #51

From what I have read ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #53

Then we're quibbling over years vs millennia Arazi Jan 2016 #54

Women's reproductive control was transformed virtually overnight Arazi Jan 2016 #52

Complex systems often have multiple stable nodes. HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #46

Plain, simple and absolutely true Armstead Jan 2016 #7

We have to stop dancing around it. cali Jan 2016 #24

Our media is deeply corrupt. Skwmom Jan 2016 #11

Media needs to be broken up. nt abelenkpe Jan 2016 #31

It must start from the top down...which is why I want Bernie for President. libdem4life Jan 2016 #15

I am not a member of the LGBT community; but, your top down ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #26

Sorry to disagree. He used his Bully Pulpit to honor and support those very people. libdem4life Jan 2016 #35

Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen cantbeserious Jan 2016 #16

Once an empire declines, it takes a while to crash. Sometimes, it bumps on the way down leveymg Jan 2016 #17

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #23

As a kid I learned that enough is usually TOO MUCH! HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #28

Are you saying "enough is enough" sounds too defensive rather than offensive? TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #36

I'm saying 'enough is enough' is just a warning. HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #41

I hear you, good point. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #45

Next step is to do something randr Jan 2016 #30

This is why EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #37

Gore Vidal on the 2 sides of the Money Party: amborin Jan 2016 #39

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #40

Just strengthens the corrupt system cali Jan 2016 #43

How? What money has changed hands directly for a vote? treestar Jan 2016 #55

Are you kidding? There have been many many many cali Jan 2016 #57

more importantly, that means there's BENEFICIARIES MisterP Jan 2016 #56