2016 Postmortem

pinebox

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263. You want to know?

Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:15 AM

Feb 2016

What if I told you that Republicans like Sanders?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-lifelong-conservatives-who-love-bernie-sanders/417441/

What if I told you that idiots like Tom Cotton have endorsed him?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/tom-cotton-supports-bernie-sanders/

What if I told you that Sen. Richard Burr said he would vote for him over Ted Cruz?
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/21/republican-senator-support-bernie-sanders-ted-cruz-wins-gop-nomination.html

What if I told you that Ike Republicans are back and they support Bernie with a vengeance?
https://www.facebook.com/republicansforbernie/
@GOPforSanders

What if I told you that it's a fact that Bernie got more done in the Senate than Hillary?
https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

What if I told you Bernie is known as "The Amendment King"?
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

See, Bernie brings a coalition of voters, Hillary brings Democrats. Therein lies the difference and why Bernie polls better than Hillary against a Republican opponent (She loses to Cruz by the way, Bernie beats them all)
So if Dems want the White House it's important that you pick the strongest candidate.

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What Hillary supporters don't understand [View all] pinebox Jan 2016 OP

The DNC won't get this at all 4dsc Jan 2016 #1

lol Amen. pinebox Jan 2016 #2

The Democratic Party has been losing membership (%) for years as newthinking Jan 2016 #226

this neatly explains why new hampshire is swinging so hard for bernie redruddyred Feb 2016 #254

The DNC is now owned by people and oganizations who's intersts Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #28

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." Wow! TryLogic Jan 2016 #85

Well, "Bernie is growing the Democratic party" is not true. Hortensis Jan 2016 #99

That 29% number has been around for quite a few months, you better have them do a new poll. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #121

If HIllary wins the nomination the exodus (apathy) will begin before the GE Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #141

GOP will win if Hillary is the nominee pinebox Jan 2016 #162

Yes - the sad truth Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #165

Oh, poof. I feel you'd be much happier if Hortensis Jan 2016 #208

She will be beaten like a gong in the general hifiguy Jan 2016 #237

That 29% was 32% or more last year. As for the Hortensis Jan 2016 #171

Nowhere to go? The Democratic party is no longer liberal. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #212

Well, this is going to be an interesting year, Hortensis Jan 2016 #219

Sad but true. Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #238

Nader's "there is no difference" is becoming closer to being true every year. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2016 #240

THere is little difference Except for Bernie! Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #241

There Are Differences The Far Left Jan 2016 #243

Wow your first post, thanks for the honor and welcome to DU. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #244

That is one kick ass link! Thank you & welcome to DU pinebox Feb 2016 #271

Like that? Here are two more... The Far Left Feb 2016 #280

I'll be gone tasgator Jan 2016 #236

Ok let's look at what you're saying shall we? pinebox Feb 2016 #273

Sorry to burst your bubble Mbrow Jan 2016 #156

I'm not sure what you're responding to, Hortensis Jan 2016 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author Mbrow Jan 2016 #217

Wrong. What's this please? pinebox Jan 2016 #164

Pew has a nice article about the ideological Hortensis Jan 2016 #223

Slowing the bleed creatives4innovation Jan 2016 #201

Okay. Note both of you ARE in the Democratic Party. Hortensis Jan 2016 #224

So I guess you could say.. cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #216

Agree. Hillary is not either. Both of them will draw Hortensis Jan 2016 #225

So true. hifiguy Jan 2016 #234

The DNC and Hillary supports know what Jon Snow knows. nt GummyBearz Jan 2016 #112

Yuo mean that the money people will bring you back to life Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #214

Sticking with the strategy HassleCat Jan 2016 #3

Dems have taken massive losses pinebox Jan 2016 #7

The party has left us. The quote in the OP says that Bernie jwirr Jan 2016 #147

Dems went timid when Reagan poked fun at the word liberal. CrispyQ Jan 2016 #24

Pithy toon! Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #38

Wuerker's one of our best! CrispyQ Jan 2016 #52

Poll evidence suggest that isn't an accurate portrayal mythology Jan 2016 #88

Polls ignore huge swaths of voters n/t Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #108

"Dems went timid when Reagan poked fun at the word liberal..." whereisjustice Jan 2016 #71

Let's not forget the end of Equal Media time... freebrew Feb 2016 #285

The southern strategy is what you are talking about. Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #123

That is certainly a broad brush. bvar22 Jan 2016 #229

And THAT is how we lose. jwirr Jan 2016 #131

Well said! I'm a Vermonter, we always vote for the person, not the party. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #4

policies not the person Roy Ellefson Jan 2016 #100

Always wise, Roy Ellefson. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #103

But it is ever so more Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #187

Yep, agreed Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #5

Excellent post!!! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #6

Well said. And I wish we had ways to get progressives on the coattails in November. lostnfound Jan 2016 #8

posts on primaries get alerted MisterP Jan 2016 #152

That list is long SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #9

The question is can Bernie attract more than he scares away. DCBob Jan 2016 #10

Scaring away? pinebox Jan 2016 #11

In the sense that many might not think he is fit to be President. DCBob Jan 2016 #12

And the same can be said for Hillary pinebox Jan 2016 #13

Not comparable. DCBob Jan 2016 #15

A bogus scandal? Nice ageism bullshit reply too. pinebox Jan 2016 #21

The Obama admin has to address it due to the FOIA request. DCBob Jan 2016 #32

If you can't secure you emails you probably shouldn't be POTUS. pinebox Jan 2016 #34

Most voters are sick of hearing about her damn emails! DCBob Jan 2016 #42

#1 news story Friday. No they aren't. pinebox Jan 2016 #57

Of course it makes great headlines and attracts clicks. DCBob Jan 2016 #61

You can ignore it all you want but we have a candidate under an FBI investigation. Think about that. pinebox Jan 2016 #139

What if she were the nominee and then embroiled in a scandal? It's best we Duval Jan 2016 #148

Actually she is not. DCBob Jan 2016 #197

I wonder where the outrage was when... 40RatRod Jan 2016 #181

Neither Rice nor Powell served as Secretary of Defense Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #258

My bad. I meant Secretary of State... 40RatRod Feb 2016 #276

There was plenty of outrage here against both Rice and Powell Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #277

Why has nobody pointed out TheJames Jan 2016 #119

Kind of but kind of not Jarqui Jan 2016 #90

Doubt any charges will be made. DCBob Jan 2016 #94

One name--Scooter Libby. pinebox Jan 2016 #102

Contrary to that article, she signed at least one non disclosure agreement Jarqui Jan 2016 #142

I was JUST reaading that now pinebox Jan 2016 #145

Im sure everyone with high level access to sensitive information is required to sign an NDA DCBob Jan 2016 #189

"he issue is whether she deliberately allowed classified material" Jarqui Jan 2016 #203

Are you part of the FBI investigation? DCBob Jan 2016 #204

There's the message with links underneath. I'm not writing a book on it Jarqui Jan 2016 #210

see this.. DCBob Jan 2016 #211

Here is a good legal discussion of the NDA issue.. DCBob Jan 2016 #209

That article said: Jarqui Jan 2016 #220

That how you see it... but that's not how I see it. DCBob Jan 2016 #230

Can't stand them. Let 'em howl would be my attitude Jarqui Jan 2016 #231

The media will get tired of it.. DCBob Jan 2016 #232

Real? Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #137

Agoraphobes for sure! ErisDiscordia Jan 2016 #31

yes they are pinebox Jan 2016 #37

No, I mean agoraphobes would avoid such venues ErisDiscordia Jan 2016 #43

I'm an introvert myself pinebox Jan 2016 #45

Being surrounded by THOUSANDS of people in Portland who agree with me Mike__M Jan 2016 #179

Cowardice scares more people away. jeff47 Jan 2016 #18

I disagree. DCBob Jan 2016 #19

And that is why we've suffered massive losses jeff47 Jan 2016 #20

Not "terrified".. just using good judgement on who our best candidate is. DCBob Jan 2016 #23

Best candidates aren't indirectly responsible for the deaths of 100s of 1000s pinebox Jan 2016 #29

Good lord.. still blaming Hillary for Bush's war in Iraq?? DCBob Jan 2016 #35

She voted yes. She owns it. pinebox Jan 2016 #40

As did most Senate Democrats including John Kerry, Joe Biden and John Edwards. DCBob Jan 2016 #47

Just because others were wrong too whopis01 Jan 2016 #134

It helps me to realize there were strong compelling reasons to vote yes. DCBob Jan 2016 #194

And? They were wrong as well. You're defending Hillary's Iraq vote? REALLY? pinebox Jan 2016 #140

The vote, yes. It was mistake but I ultimately only blame the Bush/Cheney admin for Iraq. DCBob Jan 2016 #191

A war that HRC may have voted for; but, Bernie voted to fund ... repeatedly. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #62

Ive run in to this argument before Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #120

I've run into this apologia before ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #127

Apparently so Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #150

No. If I want(ed) to make my bones on opposing a war ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #177

The two are not the same Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #246

That's a load of crap Armstead Jan 2016 #130

Ask yourself WHY? pinebox Jan 2016 #143

Why what? Why he voted repeated to fund a war he opposed? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #154

Great reply, pinebox. Facts speak! Duval Jan 2016 #168

Yeah, it really sucks you can't attack him for starving the troops in a war zone. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #283

Everyone knows that was Susan Sarandon's fault. frylock Jan 2016 #111

You're confusing "judgement" with fear. jeff47 Jan 2016 #53

I do fear one thing in particular.. DCBob Jan 2016 #58

Then stop giving the country to them. jeff47 Jan 2016 #64

My "strategy" has nothing to do with the rise of the Republicans in this country. DCBob Jan 2016 #78

Hey, guess where that RW media came from? frylock Jan 2016 #113

Sure it does. Your response to their gaining power jeff47 Feb 2016 #274

No, she's not. jomin41 Jan 2016 #247

Good judgment and Hillary go together like water and oil. frylock Jan 2016 #110

For the people Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #128

Ya like his age and looks, right? pinebox Jan 2016 #25

His age and appearance is an issue. DCBob Jan 2016 #51

But ... We aren't suppose to acknowledge the reality of what is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #82

Yeah, ridiculous isnt it? DCBob Jan 2016 #91

Imagine the shoe on the other foot Matt_in_STL Jan 2016 #109

One strong black man was able to overcome those biases in 2008 and 2012. mhatrw Jan 2016 #170

You REALLY want to bring age and appearance into this? frylock Jan 2016 #116

oh my grasswire Jan 2016 #132

As far as I know... frylock Jan 2016 #135

"As far as I know" Mike__M Jan 2016 #184

I have argued that this is, exactly, the theory of his campaign ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #48

More Democrats will vote for him in the General than HRC. More Republicans will vote for him rhett o rick Jan 2016 #196

I disagree. DCBob Jan 2016 #199

I think the AA voterss will support Sanders and as least vote against Trump. Also, I think rhett o rick Jan 2016 #218

Perhaps, but I know they will come out to vote for Hillary. DCBob Jan 2016 #228

Of course Lorien Jan 2016 #202

Vermont is not representative of America. DCBob Jan 2016 #205

I too, only became Democrat because of Bernie. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #14

Likewise XD pinebox Jan 2016 #27

I am remaining a Democrat because of Bernie. TryLogic Jan 2016 #96

If Hillary wins the nomination, it may well end up being a Pyrrhic victory. Broward Jan 2016 #16

You are correct pinebox Jan 2016 #26

Any Dem Center, Right or Left who stays home and allows a Repub to win is a complete fucking idiot ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #105

You are correct - but whopis01 Jan 2016 #136

Call these prospective non-voters whatever you want. Broward Jan 2016 #190

Anyone claiming to be a Dem and stays home is allowing their values to be usurped.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #253

No, calling people fucking idiots doesn't make me uncomfortable. Broward Feb 2016 #268

I agree. Duval Jan 2016 #159

I was a Democrat ejbr Jan 2016 #17

"...realizing that it may not be weak, but planned indifference..." CrispyQ Jan 2016 #46

Testify! highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #22

Isn't this the guy who is said not to have an enemy in Washington? Why? libdem4life Jan 2016 #30

It's the opposite -- he's said not to have a friend in Washington, which is why pnwmom Jan 2016 #50

Yeah, OK. Guess it kind of depends whether he's on your side or not. libdem4life Jan 2016 #59

Don't you like Barney Frank? His reaction should tell you something. pnwmom Jan 2016 #68

Barney Frank is flawed. grasswire Jan 2016 #133

Denver Post is a RW leaning pub so you know pinebox Jan 2016 #86

Just google Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders and you can find any number pnwmom Jan 2016 #89

You know why they don't? Because he tells the damn truth. pinebox Jan 2016 #93

Because he's a cranky scold who's absolutely convinced in his own righteousness pnwmom Jan 2016 #95

LOL ad hominem attacks, eh? pinebox Jan 2016 #98

Banker Barney? frylock Jan 2016 #118

plenty of people don't like Barney either--he's abrasive out of habit, not principle zazen Jan 2016 #252

And who are Hillary's best friends in Washington? mhatrw Jan 2016 #174

Hillary has much stronger support among African American voters than Bernie. pnwmom Jan 2016 #33

Bernie is liked by African American voters - where do you get the notion that he isn't? reformist2 Jan 2016 #39

From the polls in South Carolina and Texas, with large numbers of black voters. pnwmom Jan 2016 #56

That is about to change pinebox Jan 2016 #44

She's a good person. But millions made up their minds for Hillary long ago. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #63

Yes they sure did make their minds long ago about Hillary pinebox Jan 2016 #72

African American ratings aren't shown on your graph. They aren't the same. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #79

LOL What!? pinebox Jan 2016 #151

African American voters are far more likely to approve of and support Hillary pnwmom Jan 2016 #153

And as I said that is changing pinebox Jan 2016 #172

Do you honestly believe African Americans will hughee99 Jan 2016 #70

They stayed home in 2014 and 2010 when Obama wasn't on the ballot -- pnwmom Jan 2016 #75

Do you find it odd that you brought up the midterms hughee99 Jan 2016 #81

Obama wasn't at the top of the ticket during the midterms. Did you know pnwmom Jan 2016 #92

So you do believe that if black voters can't vote for Clinton hughee99 Jan 2016 #117

Show the number of black people with an unfavorable opinion of Sanders. mhatrw Jan 2016 #178

Kicked and recced!! eom Arazi Jan 2016 #36

They can try to pin it on a Republican controlled congress PatrynXX Jan 2016 #41

"...is that people followed Bernie" Tarc Jan 2016 #49

Read again pinebox Jan 2016 #60

That Is Exactly What the OP Is Saying Leith Jan 2016 #83

Nonsense. I support Sanders because of policy, as do others. There is a definite cult of personality WIProgressive88 Feb 2016 #259

Ok. n/t zappaman Jan 2016 #54

The Majority Party in this country is Independent or Unaffiliated at 43% of the electorate FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #55

Really? Shocking, actually, but it makes sense what with horrendous voter turnout libdem4life Jan 2016 #67

Indys are the largest voting block pinebox Jan 2016 #76

I've heard this and see its veracity, now if they will just come out and vote. libdem4life Jan 2016 #80

Think about it. Why does low turnout favor Hillary? TryLogic Jan 2016 #101

Enough treestar Jan 2016 #65

I think he has a shot of winning the whole thing... renegade000 Feb 2016 #278

I hear stories of republicans, greens, libertarians, independents switching to Bernie all the time californiabernin Jan 2016 #66

Same here...hope it is meaningful and translates to votes on election day. libdem4life Jan 2016 #73

Just last week I had a short talk with a young woman Republican at a Dutch Bros. coffee stand cascadiance Jan 2016 #163

Another former Independent here Mike__M Jan 2016 #198

Very well-said Pinebox. Bernie is much more than a serious candidate for the Presidency 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #69

Exactly. Democratic leaders want to keep their party exclusive. mhatrw Jan 2016 #182

BS but nice try. workinclasszero Jan 2016 #74

Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Differently cantbeserious Jan 2016 #77

�I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat,� Bernie Sanders workinclasszero Jan 2016 #106

Then Why Is Bernie Defeating HRC In The Prmaries cantbeserious Jan 2016 #107

Well for one he's not workinclasszero Jan 2016 #114

Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Differently cantbeserious Jan 2016 #115

I'm reminded of the type of person chervilant Jan 2016 #173

Better than being the Sugar Daddy for the 1% and promising so many gifts to them... cascadiance Jan 2016 #176

He's fighting only for what most other liberal democracies already have. mhatrw Jan 2016 #186

And neither have I.. frylock Jan 2016 #124

Great so the Bernie fans need to stop the horseshit about how much they love the democratic party workinclasszero Jan 2016 #129

And WHY do you "Love the Democratic Party" which you claim Bernie and his followers can't... cascadiance Jan 2016 #180

So what do you "true blue" Democrats believe in? mhatrw Jan 2016 #188

WOW hootinholler Jan 2016 #122

Oh sure Bernie has always loved liberal democrats :eyeroll: workinclasszero Jan 2016 #125

Is there an echo in here? hootinholler Jan 2016 #149

So it "destroys" the Democratic party to have progressives in it? mhatrw Jan 2016 #183

I see the problem. You believe that op-eds constitute "proof". (hint: it does not) nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #288

My ~~America~~ Democratic Party � Love it or Leave it! I hate liars Jan 2016 #84

There's another side to this that the Hillary supporters really do not understand. SheilaT Jan 2016 #87

This post is absolutely true. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #97

Well, nobody in the establishment is going to be cool with this post, but I'm supporting Bernie PatrickforO Jan 2016 #104

well said nt grasswire Jan 2016 #138

My reasons also! Duval Jan 2016 #167

"And I'm supporting Bernie, NOT the Democratic party per se." Yep! dana_b Feb 2016 #292

Bernie has often said he could have run as an monicaangela Jan 2016 #126

I understand, by my opinion of who will win in the general differs from yours Politicub Jan 2016 #144

I'll be honest with you pinebox Jan 2016 #161

The Medicaid expansion is problematic - we can thank the poor language in the policy Politicub Jan 2016 #166

My first "Amen" for the day. avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #146

Democratic party leaders don't seem to want any party crashers. mhatrw Jan 2016 #155

I am the Chair of our local Democratic Committee Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #157

It's ALL ABOUT priorities EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #158

Wow. So zentrum Jan 2016 #160

Thank you for telling me what I don't understand. Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #169

Actually pinebox Jan 2016 #175

You are an evil Berniebro. You must therefore have been patronizing and rude. mhatrw Jan 2016 #192

Bernie is bringing me back to the Democrats bbmykel Jan 2016 #185

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Jan 2016 #193

So very well stated!! Thanks for posting this.. raindaddy Jan 2016 #195

As I keep saying; it's just a f*cking sports game to some people Lorien Jan 2016 #200

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #206

What Bernie supporters don't understand is that we understand this very well.... Hekate Jan 2016 #207

Excellent response. 40RatRod Jan 2016 #215

+1 Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #242

"The Collective" pinebox Feb 2016 #261

K&R. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #221

K & R with enthusiasm! SoapBox Jan 2016 #222

Bernie's best arguemnt loyalsister Jan 2016 #227

This is so true. beemer27 Jan 2016 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Jan 2016 #245

Another enthusiastic K&R farleftlib Jan 2016 #235

K&R Paka Jan 2016 #239

Oh thank you so much for your post ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #248

Are you upset pinebox Jan 2016 #251

Kick and R BeanMusical Jan 2016 #249

I think we know exactly who you are. Walk away Jan 2016 #250

Oh? Who I am? pinebox Feb 2016 #260

I see there are some real differences between us... Walk away Feb 2016 #279

Good pinebox Feb 2016 #291

Please, I've live through cancer four times, lost everything I owned twice but... Walk away Feb 2016 #293

Good pt 2 pinebox Feb 2016 #294

Encouraging people to spend wisely and pay their bills is not being a Libertarian. Walk away Feb 2016 #295

Yep. You beat me to it. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #282

Sanders can do all of that and not proffer Pixy Dust Politics (tm). My issue right now is the uponit7771 Feb 2016 #255

You want to know? pinebox Feb 2016 #263

Not really, not any more ... not after that weak SP plan that doesn't outline how he's going to MAKE uponit7771 Feb 2016 #264

So you think having 20 million+ uninsured is better? pinebox Feb 2016 #265

I believe revolution with asterisks aren't revolutions, just good marketing... I've never responded uponit7771 Feb 2016 #266

Good marketing? pinebox Feb 2016 #275

So Bernie is some kind of Socialist/Republican. Walk away Feb 2016 #284

Bernie just doesn't have anything to hide. Plain and simple. YOHABLO Feb 2016 #256

Why care for the minimum wage, when you can care about maximum bonuses? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #257

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #262

Irony = "there are now more people on foodstamps than ever" Amimnoch Feb 2016 #267

Ironic? Not when real unemployment is 10% & wages are incredibly low pinebox Feb 2016 #270

Good stuff! I'm a former Republican now Green voting Democrat ... marble falls Feb 2016 #269

Good stuff! pinebox Feb 2016 #272

We understand all the things you think and all the assumptions you have made. You are wrong. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #281

Sorry Steve but I'm not pinebox Feb 2016 #289

I just switched my registration from independent so I could vote for Bernie. nt nichomachus Feb 2016 #286

I had NO IDEA that women were SO SEXIST !! vkkv Feb 2016 #287

A very fine post. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #290