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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
26. No.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:04 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie needs Iowa like Obama needed Iowa. Had Obama lost Iowa in 2008 he would've lost the nomination. It offered him up proof that he could take on, and beat, Hillary Clinton. Even with the loss in New Hampshire, he was still a far more viable candidate nationally than the day before the Iowa Caucus. Hillary came in third in Iowa in '08 and still took Obama to the wire in a primary process that was extremely close.

What Bernie risks with an Iowa defeat is the idea solidifying around Clinton being inevitable. It almost entirely sets up a no-win situation in NH for Bernie. If he wins, it's expected - but if he loses, or the margins are much more narrower, then they'll further write off his campaign.

Iowa offers him the first break from the expected. Look at it like the NBA playoffs. There's a saying that the series truly doesn't begin until the road team wins a game. Iowa is Hillary's home court and NH is Bernie's. The problem here is that the status quo, like the home team winning every game in a series (inevitably, they'll ultimately win the series with this pattern) will fail Bernie if he doesn't steal a state.

After NH is the Nevada Caucus. Hillary has a built-in advantage among Hispanic voters who'll make up a huge number of caucus goers just like in 2008 (and they delivered the state to Hillary). Then there's South Carolina, which, again, is a state built more for Hillary and one she leads overwhelmingly. Now, I do expect many of these states to possibly narrow but the problem is now we're dealing with just weeks - not months like the lead-up to Iowa/NH.

Then comes Mini Super Tuesday. By that point, Hillary could have monumental momentum. If she loses Iowa, though, things change.

But look at the Mini Super Tuesday states:

Seven of the Twelve states are in the South/Midwest (Oklahoma).

Those are not favorable Bernie states.

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What do you expect him to say? Renew Deal Feb 2016 #1
If that is what it looked like to him Kalidurga Feb 2016 #4
Often times, if internal polling is close berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #5
At this point all of polls have turns against him Renew Deal Feb 2016 #8
Robocall based polls with small samples of old registered voters on land-lines? berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #9
The last 6 polls on a row going back 10 days. Renew Deal Feb 2016 #12
Quinnipiac poll finished last nite B49 H46 M3 kristopher Feb 2016 #13
Thanks Renew Deal Feb 2016 #14
Maybe I'm superstitious but I don't like overconfidence. Better to lower expectations. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #2
All candidates say they'll win. cali Feb 2016 #3
No, they don't. I've been doing this for some time. berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #6
He also said, "if turnout is good". He thinks he'll win if turnout is good, and lose if it isn't. winter is coming Feb 2016 #16
No he really needs win In iowa Robbins Feb 2016 #18
I disagree. HIllary's need to win Iowa is much greater. winter is coming Feb 2016 #19
No. Drunken Irishman Feb 2016 #26
Don't strain your back moving those goalposts. winter is coming Feb 2016 #29
If true, the pollsters will have to eat a mighty helping of crow! Also, if true, KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #7
Not really. The good polls are within MoE. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #23
Hillary finished 3rd in Iowa in 2008 and her 2016 appeal has been more of the same. GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #10
Go Bernie! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #11
Brand new Quinnipiac poll has Bernie up 3 in Iowa. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #15
Bernie said IF we have a high turnout..we will win. But our people have to show up!! tokenlib Feb 2016 #17
I hear ya, but I'm not sure the good people of Iowa need to hear still KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #21
I doubt if he did win his victory will be of more historical value than Obama's WI_DEM Feb 2016 #20
Good point. Obama's 2008 win was a marker for the ages. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #22
Priests and entrails alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #24
You were SO friendly in the past Trajan Feb 2016 #27
Um, okay? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #28
I still like you Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #30
E-mail from Bernie ... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #25
Looks like they need some new internal pollsters... DanTex Feb 2016 #31
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