2016 Postmortem

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105. You (or I) cannot control what people say or think

Reply to Bobbie Jo (Reply #79)

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:09 PM

Feb 2016

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About those coin flips: There are delegates and then there are delegates. [View all] Skinner Feb 2016 OP

Thank you. So, roughly speaking, each precinct delegate is worth about 15% of DanTex Feb 2016 #1

Only 1405 SDE wee in the mix, but the point remains the same alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #6

Rules say who wins coin toss "loses" a delegate not wins one bjobotts Feb 2016 #81

Each coin toss counted for about 1/8th of a state delegate equivalent alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #2

Are you saying the Internets lied to us? onehandle Feb 2016 #3

And apparently the 6/6 wins is anecdotal and has no clear source... bettyellen Feb 2016 #4

The articles I've seen say 6 clinton wins and 1 sanders win in the coin tosses. DanTex Feb 2016 #8

I think the only ones we know about are because people posted videos? That is where this bettyellen Feb 2016 #14

Yes indeed - all bullshit chapdrum Feb 2016 #70

Well, if there has to be a winner & its a tie, what would you prefer? 7962 Feb 2016 #78

of what consequence exactly? None. bettyellen Feb 2016 #103

Thank you for defusing an escalating CT about "coin flips" just to decry Hillary Clinton's victory BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #5

+Excellent! Cha Feb 2016 #106

Thank you for the clarification DesertRat Feb 2016 #7

Thanks for that clarification Skinner. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #9

There's ignorance, willful ignorance, and lying. Clarifications only work on the first. alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #11

Yes, indeed. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #20

You when the Internets today! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #26

+ a million. I was just about to type the exact same thing. Number23 Feb 2016 #74

If Hillary were DOWN by a few points from coin flips I'm sure the Hillary folks would be placid. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #91

Yes. It's much more complicated than people think. MineralMan Feb 2016 #10

Additionally, there can be faithless delegates... Thor_MN Feb 2016 #21

Those are exceedingly rare. Such "faithless delegates" will have MineralMan Feb 2016 #23

Thank you! murielm99 Feb 2016 #61

and put their tantrums behind them passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #76

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #122

And the Hillary supporters are all sweetness and light passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #123

Odd, maybe I missed it but where did murielm99 say or imply that? cstanleytech Feb 2016 #131

Facts still matter. yallerdawg Feb 2016 #12

Thank you for explaining this. Mike Niendorff Feb 2016 #13

Thank you for the explanation lunamagica Feb 2016 #15

KnR Hekate Feb 2016 #16

Forget it, they're rolling... Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #17

It's not like you or anybody else cleared the air on this term until now Trajan Feb 2016 #65

"take it and run with it" Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #79

You (or I) cannot control what people say or think Trajan Feb 2016 #105

Informing "Bernie's children" as you call them (I call them supporters)... Rose Siding Feb 2016 #86

I didn't say it was true Trajan Feb 2016 #113

Thank you for the clarification. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #18

The 0.2% difference is the difference in precinct delegates. jeff47 Feb 2016 #19

No, the 0.2% difference is the difference in state delegate equivalents alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #22

I don't think that is correct. Skinner Feb 2016 #27

Yep, was slightly off on my math. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #29

Thanks for this explanation dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #127

K&R n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #24

Coin-flip shmoin-flip. They should settle a tie by weighing each side -- heaviest side wins. -nt Freelancer Feb 2016 #25

And sell fruitcake at the site, with the proceeds going to charity? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #39

I like it! -nt Freelancer Feb 2016 #116

d20 +WIS bonus opposed roll. Reroll ties. Loser forfeits 1d6 county delegates. Codeine Feb 2016 #100

Thank you, Skinner leftynyc Feb 2016 #28

Thank you, Skinner. Great info. R B Garr Feb 2016 #30

actually SED's are very important PatrynXX Feb 2016 #31

Why not draw cards or throw dice? bjobotts Feb 2016 #84

k&r with thanks for the explanation uppityperson Feb 2016 #32

K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #33

Thanks, Skinner for the explainer. aidbo Feb 2016 #34

Careful. Hillary said that once and was skewered for being unAmerican yardwork Feb 2016 #53

Luckily (for me & for the US) I have no plans to run for public office. aidbo Feb 2016 #94

Skinner, I appreciate the effort ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #35

6 coin flips made a difference of 12 precinct delegates jfern Feb 2016 #36

But the 6 are out of 11,000 precinct delegates. Skinner Feb 2016 #40

It's not linear, since the 11,000 elect the 1600 jfern Feb 2016 #43

Do we know the actual tally of precinct delegates? Skinner Feb 2016 #47

I don't know of any count of precinct or actual voters jfern Feb 2016 #48

They never announce them. Another reason for hating Iowa's caucus system. pnwmom Feb 2016 #67

But all of this is outweighed by the messiness of the whole system. pnwmom Feb 2016 #66

It doesn't matter how many total precinct delegates there are. What matters is the difference rhett o rick Feb 2016 #140

good post - thanks. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2016 #37

Still. The coin flips should not be used. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #38

The coin flips apparently reflect the fact that this was a tie. yardwork Feb 2016 #56

Those coin flips didn't the overall outcome. The whole system of delegate assignment pnwmom Feb 2016 #69

Yes! Just like the year 2000 in Florida! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #75

The whole system is a throwback and should be switched to a primary. pnwmom Feb 2016 #68

The state parties in caucus states still want some semblence of the old "smoke filled rooms" CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #96

Exactly. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #99

Rachael Maddow and MSNBC seem to disagree with Skinner's interpretation AikidoSoul Feb 2016 #87

They corrected it within the hour, I believe. nm Bongo Prophet Feb 2016 #112

Thanks. I take it from this that Skinner is wrong. He should post a correction in my opinion. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #114

Yes. Advanced democracies use the rock-paper-scissors method to resolve these issues. stopbush Feb 2016 #93

-lizard-spock. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #101

All Hail Sam Kass! Dr. Strange Feb 2016 #128

learn something new everyday. neat. retrowire Feb 2016 #41

The point is that we all lose if Hillary is the nominee. Dawgs Feb 2016 #42

If that's the point, then people should just say that... Skinner Feb 2016 #44

The coin toss "controversy" shouldn't mean anything to anyone is my point. Dawgs Feb 2016 #46

Goosfraba, goosfraba yallerdawg Feb 2016 #52

"almost certainly"? TBF Feb 2016 #83

Rachael Maddow and MSNBC seem to disagree with your interpretation AikidoSoul Feb 2016 #95

I am reluctant to fault Rachel Maddow and Steve Kornacki Skinner Feb 2016 #102

Steve tried to correct himself in the next segment last night. DURHAM D Feb 2016 #117

MSNBC likely added to the confusion... Kensan Feb 2016 #121

Do any polls how her losing to Trump or Cruz? 7962 Feb 2016 #80

Rubio is the one you should worry about. nt TBF Feb 2016 #85

But every HRC precinct delegate voting HRC for pledged delegate is one less precinct vote a Bernie valerief Feb 2016 #45

+1 Duval Feb 2016 #62

Thank you for this...the spin around here is making me dizzy! pandr32 Feb 2016 #49

Another conspiracy theory shot to hell. /nt yardwork Feb 2016 #50

Obviously, the fact that he's trying to debunk it MUST mean that it's TRUE! :-P NurseJackie Feb 2016 #59

That argument will be too wonky and complicated for people who just want to demagogue bluestateguy Feb 2016 #51

Be careful with arrogant, insulting charges aimed at many bright and active people. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #92

Thank you for the clarification, Skinner Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #54

k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #55

math don't lie Botany Feb 2016 #57

Thank you, Skinner. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #58

This is America, where perception almost always becomes reality tularetom Feb 2016 #60

Thanks for this and your follow on posts explaining the details Dem2 Feb 2016 #63

Thanks Skinner passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #64

On NPR ymetca Feb 2016 #71

There is a bigger factor that could have affected the outcome pnwmom Feb 2016 #72

Don't worry Capt. Obvious Feb 2016 #88

Thank you, I appreciate the clarification. This system has got to go. californiabernin Feb 2016 #73

^^this^^ Duppers Feb 2016 #130

I was hoping someone else would join me in knocking that insta-myth down, thank you! Bongo Prophet Feb 2016 #77

K&R CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #97

K&R awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #82

The founders were really terrified of the public. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #89

You should step in more often to set things right. randome Feb 2016 #90

kick DesertRat Feb 2016 #98

You're wrong about the delegate split, Skinner: It's 22-22. w4rma Feb 2016 #104

Google shows 23-21. But that's not my point anyway. Skinner Feb 2016 #107

Delegates towards the nomination are really the only non-rhetorical result of the Iowa caucus. w4rma Feb 2016 #108

I have no reason to doubt your take on the final count of pledged delegates. Skinner Feb 2016 #109

Coin tosses are just an accurate response to anyone who says that Clinton "won", instead of tied. w4rma Feb 2016 #111

I'm not arguing over who won. Skinner Feb 2016 #115

That's what actually concerns me the most. The information on this topic seems to be conflicting. w4rma Feb 2016 #118

To make it really interesting TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #110

I think I still like my 2-out-of-3-falls wrestling match to decide. Buns_of_Fire Feb 2016 #134

So Bernie repeated false information on national TV. Has he apologized yet? ecstatic Feb 2016 #119

Rove means never having to say you're sorry. ucrdem Feb 2016 #125

Ha! (Clever!) NurseJackie Feb 2016 #133

You got it basically Skinner.. as an Iowan and a O'Mally Precinct Captain Peacetrain Feb 2016 #120

Each precinct delegate/county delegate is worth how many state delegate equivalents? w4rma Feb 2016 #124

Thank you. I suspected as much. ucrdem Feb 2016 #126

The problem with that is that the number of precinct delegates for Clinton and Sanders rhett o rick Feb 2016 #129

KNR Lucinda Feb 2016 #132

Sorry for kicking my own thread. But here is a great explainer on this whole thing. Skinner Feb 2016 #135

I was just coming to post that here if it hadn't been. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #136

Just do a recount by having all the precincts send in their figures once again. Without it, Iowa jillan Feb 2016 #137

Thanks, Skinner, for the clarification. BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #138

Thanks for explaining this. Walk away Feb 2016 #139

Not that it matters at this point, but.... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #141

I'm not sure why this really matters, after all both Clinton and Bernie have far more potential cstanleytech Feb 2016 #142