2016 Postmortem

Tom Rinaldo

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63. He has said they want to look at it more with the Iowa Democrats

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:58 AM

Feb 2016

I will grant that is calling for more attention to the outcome, I do not think he has made a "big deal"out of it, as I said. We can agree to disagree. My point regarding the Gore election is simple even if the circumstances differ. There is nothing unseemly about wanting accurate results or seeking clarity on them when the difference in votes is razor thin at first blush. Especially when one side wants to use a microscopic victory for their spinning.

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Concede Iowa Bernie [View all] boston bean Feb 2016 OP

There's nothing to concede... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #1

The NH delegates are by apportioned also. And then the other 48 states and other territories come. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #36

Seriously. Does he think he's helping himself by fueling Reddit conspiracy theories? DanTex Feb 2016 #2

Bern enid602 Feb 2016 #56

Your post is a conspiracy theory AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #152

Why do people act obtuse? A recount or simple verifucation morningfog Feb 2016 #3

But but but... I thought it was so close it would be remembered as a tie? boston bean Feb 2016 #6

It is essentially a tie, but there are delegates awarded morningfog Feb 2016 #9

No I haven't forgot it is about delegates. And I understand how a caucus works, which btw boston bean Feb 2016 #13

You refuse to understand. Obviously it is willful and you are afraid of the results of a simple morningfog Feb 2016 #60

Your statement has nothing to do with conceding. Bernie should concede. eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #107

Hillary won. Bernie is not challenging the results. What else is there to say? morningfog Feb 2016 #109

I believe a congratulation from Sanders would be nice...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #111

He did, in his speech on Monday night: morningfog Feb 2016 #120

Thanks. I stand corrected. eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #121

two days earlier, Hillary had an 11 point lead in the polls ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #80

But it was great for fund raising. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #92

Thank you. Common Sense NowSam Feb 2016 #54

Last night, Rachel Maddow said a computer error caused the start of the Bush Dynasty in 1980. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #72

Wow. The will of the people NowSam Feb 2016 #75

Wow. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #163

This is really bad sportsmanship. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #4

Why not s simple verification. The difference was less than 300. morningfog Feb 2016 #10

I have no problem with a recount but at some point there should be closure. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #17

Great. You have no problem with a recount. morningfog Feb 2016 #61

Al Gore showed the way 6chars Feb 2016 #82

The stakes were infinitely higher... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #83

The stakes are always high.. frylock Feb 2016 #112

and look at the result of that. grasswire Feb 2016 #85

accepting a narrow defeat 6chars Feb 2016 #89

It was an incredible display of sportmanship, and that's what really matters. frylock Feb 2016 #113

It's all a game, this politics thing. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #156

I think he only did that SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #164

This is really bad sportsmanship workinclasszero Feb 2016 #104

Recounting a close race is bad sportsmanship? RichVRichV Feb 2016 #127

Now Bernie will be known as a sore loser workinclasszero Feb 2016 #137

Oh no! RichVRichV Feb 2016 #162

Concede Iowa Bernie ! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #5

Or you and Hillary could take the high road & concede no one won. RiverLover Feb 2016 #7

But there was a winner declared. boston bean Feb 2016 #8

The very partial Iowa DNC declared. RiverLover Feb 2016 #34

I've seen you chosen the latter. boston bean Feb 2016 #35

Here, let me illustrate the difference between a tie and a win, okay? # riversedge Feb 2016 #38

A picture doesn't make something "truth" just because it says so... cascadiance Feb 2016 #65

It is not becoming at all mcar Feb 2016 #11

I'm sure he would if Iowa would provide the information requested. Vinca Feb 2016 #12

Why should he concede? It's still not clear he lost. I'm not being a bad sport. Jarqui Feb 2016 #14

the Register held back the email news???? grasswire Feb 2016 #86

I did searches after all the major news outlets except ABC had it up Jarqui Feb 2016 #94

Did Romney supporters prematurely pressure Santorum in to conceding when he actually WON later? cascadiance Feb 2016 #15

Comparing Bernie to Santorum is something to behold, in not a good way. boston bean Feb 2016 #16

Well, if the Democratic caucuses are so much better run and accurately reflecting the voters... cascadiance Feb 2016 #20

What would raw votes prove? You work and win with the system in place. boston bean Feb 2016 #23

It would show if it was done right. Results this close have people wanting to see the details... cascadiance Feb 2016 #64

The math that apportioned the delegates is based directly on the raw vote. JimDandy Feb 2016 #66

Omg, by voting precinct. You cant be serious. boston bean Feb 2016 #98

Aah...not a serious inquiry at all. You're just being devisive. Got it. JimDandy Feb 2016 #100

If the main newspaper is questioning the result why should people not Jarqui Feb 2016 #26

They're afraid that the actual result will show that Bernie actually won Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #44

Yeah, the Iowa Republican caucus is more transparent... John Poet Feb 2016 #105

It's almost like comparing Secretary Clinton to Secys Powell and Rice. frylock Feb 2016 #114

Waiting for your 3rd identical OP. elias49 Feb 2016 #18

Are there any outstanding precincts that would affect the actual delegate allotment? Tarc Feb 2016 #19

They think this is just like Romney and Santorum. boston bean Feb 2016 #22

Kathleen Harris, is that you? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #21

Come on. Nobody here is an enemy. yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #31

Wait!? what?! aikoaiko Feb 2016 #45

You really think that some DUers are equal to Katherine Harris? yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #50

Equal? No. I think it was an analogy - not an equivalency aikoaiko Feb 2016 #55

Ok. I think there are some I disagree with of course. yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #57

NO, WE CAN'T !! Hiraeth Feb 2016 #24

The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #25

First off, Bernie's not making a big deal of this BUT do you think Gore should have conceded in 2000 Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #27

Bernie is not making a big deal out of this? I think you are wrong there. boston bean Feb 2016 #29

He has said they want to look at it more with the Iowa Democrats Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #63

Impatience! He will say something when answers are forthcoming making sure bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #28

To want a proper accounting where delegates are mmonk Feb 2016 #30

I would suggest he read the states website. boston bean Feb 2016 #32

I suggest you and mmonk toss a coin. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #41

. mmonk Feb 2016 #51

. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #158

DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #33

He did concede. He conceded that it was a virtual tie, which it was. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #37

Call for a full accounting, Hillary! Stop the obstruction! Karmadillo Feb 2016 #39

TRUMP AND RUBIO NEED TO CONCEDE TO CRUZ, YES INDEED !! Hiraeth Feb 2016 #40

Trump and Rubio DID concede to Cruz. They both acknowledged his win. stevenleser Feb 2016 #128

orly Hiraeth Feb 2016 #130

Yep, really. "I want to congratulate Ted" here's the video stevenleser Feb 2016 #131

And now Trump wants a recount and, no coin tosses were involved. Look, Hiraeth Feb 2016 #146

I don't have to call Sanders a sore loser, he is one. stevenleser Feb 2016 #148

I know who is the loser in this conversation. Point is, there were whole percentage point difference Hiraeth Feb 2016 #151

Speaking of New Hampshire, Hillary will show you what losing with class is about. Nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #157

wonder who will write her speech for her. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #159

Gloating over a win of .2% isn't becoming either. grntuscarora Feb 2016 #42

What ist there to concede? Larkspur Feb 2016 #43

This may appeal to his base. But for ordinary bystanders, undecideds & former O'Malley supporters... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #46

$$, using the Party in a negative fashion to raise money. boston bean Feb 2016 #47

You're right... I hadn't thought of it that way. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #52

concede Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #48

K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #49

He doesn't have to concede. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #53

His concession is no more required of him than her saying it was a virtual tie where she got lucky aikoaiko Feb 2016 #58

Maybe after a recount. Not before then. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #59

first of all, he congratulated hillary by name in his speech, restorefreedom Feb 2016 #62

But when he congratulated her, was it upon bended knee? frylock Feb 2016 #116

no i'm afraid it wasn't *snort* nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #122

Just perhaps this isn't about Sanders, but about transparency and accountability Gregorian Feb 2016 #67

Like Al Gore did?? Duppers Feb 2016 #68

How about you just concentrate on your favored candidate... SoapBox Feb 2016 #69

Never submit, never surrender... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #70

HRC declared victory before all the results were in... modestybl Feb 2016 #71

It goes to how tired and flailing his campaign is. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #73

This drives the anger of his base. Very calculated move that really has nothing to do with votes. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #74

Can't we all just move on and get over Iowa?? 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #76

Candidates do not concede primaries. (eom) HassleCat Feb 2016 #77

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Projection some? MoonRiver Feb 2016 #87

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Who are "we?" MoonRiver Feb 2016 #90

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YOU, Philos, do not represent the American people, much as you would like to think you do! MoonRiver Feb 2016 #93

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You're not alone, except in regard to your grandiose assumptions. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #97

It was a tie decided by 6 coin tosses. LOL!! jillan Feb 2016 #79

Lack of leadership. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #81

The official result is that Hillary won. There is nothing to concede. Such bullshit. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #84

Bernie has not challenged the result. You are the conspiracy theorist here. morningfog Feb 2016 #95

This^^ JimDandy Feb 2016 #103

You are 100% correct, but these stunts are BANK for him R B Garr Feb 2016 #99

Look, he needs money in order to get money out of politics! randome Feb 2016 #108

I think you just won GD-P with this post Number23 Feb 2016 #124

How petty can you get. It was a tie or so close to a tie that winning and losing is irrelevant. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #101

Funny stuff! Did you forget Hillary would not concede to Obama in 2008? AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #102

But but but that was in 2008, and Sanders is no Obama.. frylock Feb 2016 #117

She's a maniac, maaaniac on the floor. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #119

I agree.eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #106

Thanks for reminding me to put you on ignore! hifiguy Feb 2016 #110

Surrender Dorothy! frylock Feb 2016 #115

Surrender Dorothy! NowSam Feb 2016 #118

You're comparing a female candidate to a witch now? stevenleser Feb 2016 #132

I'm not sexist at all NowSam Feb 2016 #133

Yes, a female making that statement would still be exhibiting gender bias stevenleser Feb 2016 #134

Okay. Sorry if I offended you NowSam Feb 2016 #138

Yup. First thought. So sue me.... ;-> SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #165

Thank you for stepping up. NowSam Feb 2016 #166

Hey! SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #167

Oh cut it out, either argue a point or don't, but don't throw around.... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #140

I will do nothing you ask and keep calling it like I see it stevenleser Feb 2016 #143

If unwarranted ad hominem attacks are 'calling it like you see it'... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #144

Nope, calling a woman a witch is sexist. If you can't see that you are the one with the problem stevenleser Feb 2016 #150

Holy shit, Don Quixote Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #153

Don Quijote? So I'm some sort of white knight to you? It's becoming more and more clear stevenleser Feb 2016 #155

Welp, it's obvious that you want no part of a real discussion. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #160

Sigh.. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #168

Thank you. eom NowSam Feb 2016 #145

I guess I must be on Fox News Personality Steven Leser's ignore list. frylock Feb 2016 #136

I don't get the reference NowSam Feb 2016 #141

What difference does it make? We're past Iowa now. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #123

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Surrender Dorothy! NowSam Feb 2016 #126

Why has Sanders not conceded? Gothmog Feb 2016 #129

"Without obsession, life is nothing." cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #135

Gore should have just given up on Florida and not had any votes recounted there either.... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #139

It amazes me how little people seem to understand how this stuff works Matariki Feb 2016 #142

exactly Hiraeth Feb 2016 #149

what is really ultra becoming is watching a winner demand something from a loser. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #147

There's a good chance Bernie got more voters jfern Feb 2016 #154

Sigh.... SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #161

Concede Gore the state party has declared a winner... Fearless Feb 2016 #169