2016 Postmortem

Pisces

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193. I guess we will see, but I know the 2 camps do not dislike each other like 2008. Hillary will beat

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Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:36 PM

Feb 2016

any of the Repub candidates easily. They are all unqualified. Good luck on your agenda.

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Hillary absolutely positively cannot win the general election [View all] cali Feb 2016 OP

Why are they so much more important than the rest of us? treestar Feb 2016 #1

Youth voters... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #2

Even so, older people get one vote each too treestar Feb 2016 #5

'..young AA voters don't necessarily support Bernie..' elias49 Feb 2016 #25

Is there a poll showing who they support? treestar Feb 2016 #56

there are more young voters than there are old. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #69

that's not proof regarding minority youth treestar Feb 2016 #81

youth is youth. i thought we were talking all youth combined nt retrowire Feb 2016 #94

IIRC, Bernie got 34% of the non-white vote in Iowa. kath Feb 2016 #70

not proof regarding youth, and he got minority as it is treestar Feb 2016 #82

Right! Mother Jones: "Millennials Like Hillary Clinton Just Fine" Hortensis Feb 2016 #92

Yet again jham123 Feb 2016 #101

Split in Dems? I don't think so - really! Hortensis Feb 2016 #145

Wait, What? jham123 Feb 2016 #223

Here's what unity looks like, Jham. Hortensis Feb 2016 #225

You can "see" whatever you want.. jham123 Feb 2016 #226

What??? kracer20 Feb 2016 #107

In that same poll Glamrock Feb 2016 #121

The "flee the country" response for Hillary is dangerously high. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #129

This includes CONSERVATIVE millennials, BillZ. Hortensis Feb 2016 #131

Weird. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #199

No kidding workinclasszero Feb 2016 #217

Not to mention older people tend to be more reliable voters as a bloc kcr Feb 2016 #222

Oh didn't say that. Now please tell me how cali Feb 2016 #10

Exactly right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #17

Seems simple enough. malthaussen Feb 2016 #54

In my opinion, H2O Man Feb 2016 #158

Alas, there is much of that going around. malthaussen Feb 2016 #164

Bernie does not have the minority millennials. Hortensis Feb 2016 #46

Friendly word of advice: my Latino and Latina friends tell me they prefer the KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #100

Yes, that one seems to be all over the place. Hortensis Feb 2016 #152

I'm not Latina, but I found this useful.... loyalsister Feb 2016 #196

Explain how any Democrat does that without AA voters treestar Feb 2016 #59

Do try to focus. I said right in the op that I expect Hillary cali Feb 2016 #99

Do you have any evidence of this? OilemFirchen Feb 2016 #154

Oh for the love of logic. How many times have Hillary cali Feb 2016 #157

OIC. OilemFirchen Feb 2016 #171

Cali, many AA voters are pretty conservative. Hortensis Feb 2016 #169

Seems like a disengenuous question. malthaussen Feb 2016 #49

He certainly requires a lot more additional demos than Hillary does treestar Feb 2016 #60

They are the future - and... SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #52

Well damn, I'm still alive and I care about my future too treestar Feb 2016 #74

Then vote Sanders SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #87

damn, Treestar, last time I checked all those catagories have young voters. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #58

Well you did not check any polls to determine that minority youth treestar Feb 2016 #76

More important? No quakerboy Feb 2016 #83

They are now the largest voting bloc, displacing Baby Boomers n/t eridani Feb 2016 #213

Hillary would depress the youth vote gyroscope Feb 2016 #3

Even though the new polls show her beating every Repub. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #7

What polls? gyroscope Feb 2016 #9

No they sure the fuck don't. cali Feb 2016 #29

Run, janey, run. cali Feb 2016 #44

The same polls show Sanders beating them by more n/t eridani Feb 2016 #214

Hillary would depress this senior's vote. SheilaT Feb 2016 #123

Me too!! jillan Feb 2016 #144

It Will This Senior's Vote! n/t ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #178

I thought Obama was supposed to motivate Repubs unlike anything else? n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #179

This is nothing to 2008. The voters will support Hillary in the general. Quit trying to make it more Pisces Feb 2016 #4

This is not true for me anecdotally. stillwaiting Feb 2016 #13

You are flat out WRONG pinebox Feb 2016 #14

It really is the fate of the nation and the Democratic Party. earthside Feb 2016 #26

Hillary loses to Cruz pinebox Feb 2016 #37

The "Anybody but Hillary" vote will be strong. SoapBox Feb 2016 #53

So many feel as I do...No More Clintons. Locrian Feb 2016 #63

The party establishment doesn't get it. earthside Feb 2016 #61

I'm a Colorado indy pinebox Feb 2016 #64

same here but in California dana_b Feb 2016 #141

Kansas indy here. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #200

I Haven't Said I Won't Vote For Hillary, BUT I HAVE Said ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #176

I understand you completely, I also became a Democrat at 18, to vote for something Dragonfli Feb 2016 #188

Hey, Just Want To Say I Was Going To Reply To You ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #227

One little question. senz Feb 2016 #207

Real Clear Politics pinebox Feb 2016 #208

Thank you! senz Feb 2016 #209

Welcome! pinebox Feb 2016 #210

I guess we will see, but I know the 2 camps do not dislike each other like 2008. Hillary will beat Pisces Feb 2016 #193

No she won't pinebox Feb 2016 #219

You offer no evidence or reasoning for that claim. cali Feb 2016 #50

Yes--the ones that actually vote n/t eridani Feb 2016 #215

New polls show her beating every Republican... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #6

Still no supporting evidence for your claim. elias49 Feb 2016 #28

She... jham123 Feb 2016 #98

Nuh-uhh frylock Feb 2016 #108

proof?? n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #142

i heard a plug for rubio and one of his selling points restorefreedom Feb 2016 #8

I wonder how many of us Latinos would vote to get one of us in? artislife Feb 2016 #135

wow, excellent point restorefreedom Feb 2016 #160

However, Rubio is bat-shit insane. Just like Trump and Cruz emulatorloo Feb 2016 #184

No she will not, and she can't win without Independents. Autumn Feb 2016 #11

I don't attack and alienate young voters. Just the opposite. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #12

Chris Matthews attacks and alienates young voters ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #20

. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #23

Whereabouts in NC are you? ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #30

Not in NC. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #32

Gotcha gotcha. ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #41

I believe there are direct quotes of Sanders that aren't even allowed for discussion here. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #43

I have a bone of contention... jham123 Feb 2016 #97

+1 treestar Feb 2016 #62

According to keyboard warriors or actual Democrats? BigGLiberal Feb 2016 #15

I hope you're not relying solely upon actual Democrats. frylock Feb 2016 #109

Actual Democrats are 30% of the electorate. jeff47 Feb 2016 #117

This is true. Bernie's greatest moment will be when he endorses her and manages to bring those DanTex Feb 2016 #16

In what alternate universe do you really think millennials go to the mat for Hillary? nt ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #21

I'm expecting a strong endorsement from Bernie. Aren't you? Do you think millenials won't DanTex Feb 2016 #22

Condescension aside, people vote with their hearts ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #24

Maybe not the whole brigade, but you overlook that Hillary also has a brigade, which DanTex Feb 2016 #27

We need to debunk the socialist stigma, that's for damn sure! ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #31

I agree with that, but I'd rather not mix the stigma debunking with a presidential election. DanTex Feb 2016 #35

There's no worry, though, if the myth is thoroughly debunked amongst an energized ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #38

I'm not worried about the stigma among energized Democrats. I'm worried about the stigma among DanTex Feb 2016 #40

Exactly, it should be the opposite in that Bernie can't bring in those voters treestar Feb 2016 #66

I've never once voted with my heart. Codeine Feb 2016 #168

goodness, me, the epitome of a VSP nt ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #175

Elections are VSB. nt Codeine Feb 2016 #180

then elect someone who is Very Serious about helping the American people ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #183

Unless we are staring down the Trumpocolypse.... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #75

Elliot, if millenials don't vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination... Nitram Feb 2016 #39

You can't call 'suspect' the passion Bernie is inspiring amongst young voters ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #42

If they don't vote for clinton it neans they don't have a clue what is at stake. Nitram Feb 2016 #45

Nah...I think most just won't see Hillary as a reliable figure ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #57

Yeah I mean, don't us Youthful morons know Clinton is trying to establish a dynasty here! /nt JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #79

If you had a clue what's at stake Beowulf Feb 2016 #130

It is hard to consider Bernie as inspiring any passion treestar Feb 2016 #67

Oh, please, it's not ageist to say that young people are the future ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #84

Elliot, your statement that "old people are on their way out" is both crude and ageist. Nitram Feb 2016 #159

And if they vote for Clinton, they are harming their own future irreparably. jeff47 Feb 2016 #124

Let's dispense with your straw man argument, jeff, and admit that Clinton is not for the status quo. Nitram Feb 2016 #162

To do that, you'd have to actually demonstrate some place where she can change it jeff47 Feb 2016 #174

And your post, while thoroughly loaded with insults, perfectly manages... Nitram Feb 2016 #189

What points? jeff47 Feb 2016 #192

Bernie's greatest moments, to date, have been in exposing what a weak candidate cali Feb 2016 #55

I don't see it that way, and I doubt Bernie would. DanTex Feb 2016 #71

I can't believe you wrote that. senz Feb 2016 #212

You utterly misunderstand the people supporting Sanders jeff47 Feb 2016 #119

Well, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Do they understand how bad a GOP presidency would DanTex Feb 2016 #122

Do you understand that the status quo is actively hurting them? jeff47 Feb 2016 #125

Do they not understand how immeasurably worse things would be under the GOP? DanTex Feb 2016 #127

So, no, you do not understand. jeff47 Feb 2016 #136

If they believe that it wouldn't be much worse under the GOP, then they are the ones who don't DanTex Feb 2016 #149

You continuing to say the same thing does not change that you fail to understand. jeff47 Feb 2016 #165

I am right. Your analogies are silly. Unless you think that most Sanders supporters DanTex Feb 2016 #177

They are not nearly as extreme as you pretend jeff47 Feb 2016 #181

Of course they are. Your analogies are about immediate death. DanTex Feb 2016 #186

Congratulations jeff47. Dawgs Feb 2016 #182

This is literally a "who else you gonna vote for?" kind of statement to my generation. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #138

It's a situation where there is one better and one worse alternative. DanTex Feb 2016 #150

Bernie's the better. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #153

I'm talking about the GE, in the hypothetical situation where it's Hillary vs the GOP. DanTex Feb 2016 #156

He may endorse her, if he loses the nomination, dana_b Feb 2016 #146

BAH! Haven't you heard, the youngin's are basically worthless trash!!11!eleven!? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #18

Oh. Look, there goes another straw man! Nitram Feb 2016 #51

Jesus Christ! Are you correcting grammar on a post that deliberate? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #68

It was a joke, Noodleman, just a joke. Nitram Feb 2016 #104

It's that childish style of argument treestar Feb 2016 #72

Bernie absolutely positively cannot win the general election book_worm Feb 2016 #19

Bernie beats EVERY Republican nominee. Hillary does NOT pinebox Feb 2016 #47

Those are worth pretty much nothing mythology Feb 2016 #103

That's the new goalpost cry now? pinebox Feb 2016 #112

oh look! Real proof! dana_b Feb 2016 #147

You are forgetting one rather simple thing Tarc Feb 2016 #33

It doesn't matter pinebox Feb 2016 #48

That is what they say now Tarc Feb 2016 #78

No you aren't getting it pinebox Feb 2016 #85

I really doubt that Tarc Feb 2016 #172

+1 jham123 Feb 2016 #110

Sorry, that does not mean they'll support hillary cali Feb 2016 #65

Better corrupt, dishonest neocon Hillary than any of the reactionary batshit pukes. 2banon Feb 2016 #116

I live in California too so I'll do the same dana_b Feb 2016 #148

I agree. Millineals aren't going to vote Repub underpants Feb 2016 #96

Again it doesn't matter pinebox Feb 2016 #113

"I'll hurt you less" is not a winning strategy. jeff47 Feb 2016 #126

+100000 artislife Feb 2016 #139

The cynical vote EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #34

No need for the "fairly" modifier, EB elias49 Feb 2016 #80

. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #36

I will say this SheenaR Feb 2016 #73

Attacks on young voters has been non-stop? No, they haven't. KittyWampus Feb 2016 #77

Yes they have and here's your proof pinebox Feb 2016 #89

LOL!! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #86

Ya it's hilarious isn't it? pinebox Feb 2016 #90

Thanks for that excellent retort. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #220

:) pinebox Feb 2016 #221

Um, what are these attacks agsinst youth voters which you allude to get n your post? LonePirate Feb 2016 #88

You're right, cali. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #91

Astonishing that people don't see this... SO MANY negatives, omg. AzDar Feb 2016 #93

Apparently Hillary's more worried about a Bernie win, than she is about the GE or a GOP White House 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #95

Like all Third-way Democrats, she thinks "Who else you gonna vote for?" works. jeff47 Feb 2016 #128

Oh they "learned" alright. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #140

I am so sick of the dana_b Feb 2016 #151

lol...ok/...lets make sure the younger voters take their naps so they don't throw a tantrum... beachbum bob Feb 2016 #102

I agree, and it's becoming more apparent as time goes on. Avalux Feb 2016 #105

That's the success of his whole campaign jham123 Feb 2016 #115

But at least she can maybe keep the Democratic Socialist out. A small price Karmadillo Feb 2016 #106

exactly. n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #155

I cannot disagree with your analysis, but I think there is still plenty of time KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #111

It won't be believable. jeff47 Feb 2016 #134

Should Clinton be nominated, and they choose not to vote, they want what Republicans will give them. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #114

Hillary Clinton will never be president. DesMoinesDem Feb 2016 #118

K&R CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #120

Um, if you are talking about random comments on DU, Guess how many fucks are given by young voters snooper2 Feb 2016 #132

Is there suddenly going to be a cap on voting age liberal N proud Feb 2016 #133

How has anyone "attacked" young voters? I haven't seen it ANYWHERE either in the media.... George II Feb 2016 #137

Neither have I. It's a strange claim. randome Feb 2016 #161

See my post from the other day...... mrmpa Feb 2016 #143

she can't win w/o Indies, either, and they favor Bernie nt amborin Feb 2016 #163

And when Sanders endorses Clinton, what will they do? randome Feb 2016 #167

Voting is the bare minimum of support eridani Feb 2016 #216

You are right, but there is more. sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #166

According to the recent national polls, she already loses to Cruz! DrBulldog Feb 2016 #170

We probably think that we're thankful we paid attention in civics class... Tarc Feb 2016 #173

If you paid attention in civics class you would know how important the popular vote is Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #203

That sure sailed over your head... Tarc Feb 2016 #205

You were responding to a post about how Hillary performs against Cruz Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #206

Wait wut? ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #185

For all the talk about the "youth vote"...... backtomn Feb 2016 #187

Older voters will turn out to vote against anyone who promises to cut SS. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #190

The funny thing is I could say the exact same thing Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #191

Funny thing is, Hillary will almost certainly be the nominee. cali Feb 2016 #194

I see nothing funny about the Dems losing a presidential race Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #195

Agreed Cali. Puglover Feb 2016 #198

Hey, Pug. Certainly hope we're both wrong. cali Feb 2016 #218

I continue to be so saddened by those OldHippieChick Feb 2016 #197

Guess what, Sander's cannot win a general election without Clinton supporters still_one Feb 2016 #201

WHY cant people just say MFM008 Feb 2016 #202

And if they choose not to vote they are being STUPID LAZY PURIST ASSHOLES! RBInMaine Feb 2016 #204

Plus no candidate has ever won the Presidency with an unfavorable rating Lorien Feb 2016 #211

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