2016 Postmortem

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66. And who's fault is that??

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Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:31 PM

Feb 2016

Debates on weekends... Limited debates... DWS is culpable of a Republican is the next president.

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The turnout of 171,000 in Iowa was FAR BELOW the 2008 turnout of 240,000. [View all] pnwmom Feb 2016 OP

Bernie is no Obama. He cannot drive turnout like Obama did and that's why he will lose. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #1

How's Hillary doing with turnout? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #4

Well, in Iowa, very marginally better (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #16

Slim marginally better. frylock Feb 2016 #70

Hillary became the first woman in history to win the Iowa caucus workinclasszero Feb 2016 #27

Another resume builder! frylock Feb 2016 #71

But, but ... BUMPER STICKERS!! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #12

And Bernie yard art BigGLiberal Feb 2016 #24

This OP and the negative spin against Bernie is disingenuous (at best) CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #45

A lot of that turn out in 08... MondoCane Feb 2016 #2

revolution enid602 Feb 2016 #79

This spells doom for the sanders campaign post NH workinclasszero Feb 2016 #3

NO, sorry it doesnt. Dont even know where you came up with that. Did Hillary get 3mil donations litlbilly Feb 2016 #36

2016 was the 2nd biggest Iowa Democratic caucus attendance record in the state's history CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #47

That's far from surprising, really. MineralMan Feb 2016 #5

Iowa doesn't deserve out-sized influence in the Presidential nomination process. Romulox Feb 2016 #6

And it's why we still have ethanol subsidies Recursion Feb 2016 #17

Evidently Clinton couldn't motivate anyone either. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #7

She motivated enough people to win. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #8

Barely...........and they've know her for over 25 years. eom zalinda Feb 2016 #9

If Bernie won 23 to 21, all his supporters would be calling it a win. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #60

But, they haven't known him for 25 years. Big difference. n/t zalinda Feb 2016 #63

He's been in politics and many east coasters have "known" him for much longer than that. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #65

This was Iowa.........not on the east coast. n/t zalinda Feb 2016 #68

Do you think everyone in Iowa has lived there and only there for their whole lives? pnwmom Feb 2016 #69

So everyone who moved to Iowa is from the east coast? LOL eom zalinda Feb 2016 #85

After coming back from 60 points behind? frylock Feb 2016 #73

I wonder how he would have done if the GOP super-pacs had spent millions of dollars pnwmom Feb 2016 #75

You seem to thrive on FUD. I don't let the GOP dictate my life. frylock Feb 2016 #76

Your candidate benefited from a free windfall of attack ads on Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2016 #78

Thems the breaks. frylock Feb 2016 #80

If he becomes the nominee, he'll find himself subject to attacks pnwmom Feb 2016 #81

*yawn* frylock Feb 2016 #82

And what happens if she can't motivate turnout in the GE? hobbit709 Feb 2016 #59

Older women voters are her strongest supporters and also the most likely to turn out. pnwmom Feb 2016 #61

Keep telling yourself that. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #62

He missed winning by 274 votes. The turn out was pretty damn good. morningfog Feb 2016 #10

I thought Bernie was going to drive redstateblues Feb 2016 #38

No, it wasn't. Especially not compared to the GOP. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #41

Actually, there's a very good chance he got more votes jfern Feb 2016 #64

Smaller candidate base probably drove a lot of it Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #11

I'm wondering how many people crossed over to vote against Trump. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #14

If this is an indicator of Dem turnout in the GE, guess who's going to be Pres. Not Hillary. leveymg Feb 2016 #13

Not Bernie either, if Iowa is critical. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #18

You say that like it makes you happy. n/t leveymg Feb 2016 #22

I don't think Iowa would be critical. But the large southern states are, pnwmom Feb 2016 #25

Hillary is not going to win the large southern states. Not in the GE, anyway. leveymg Feb 2016 #30

She'll win FL redstateblues Feb 2016 #49

If Uponthegears Feb 2016 #56

the repubs had a record turn out questionseverything Feb 2016 #15

It's also been the Trump News Channel, 24/7 for months. That's kept the cannibals engaged. leveymg Feb 2016 #23

yep questionseverything Feb 2016 #32

The democrats screwed the democrats on that one. frylock Feb 2016 #74

Voters in 2008 were fed up with Bush and the Republicans AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #19

Excellent point. That's been bugging me. JudyM Feb 2016 #37

2004 Turnout was 124,000 Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #20

And that's why dems will lose. cali Feb 2016 #21

Obama got approx 90,000 votes, Bernie got approx 85,000 votes AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #26

This is accurate? Then how do we account for the much greater turnout in 08? JudyM Feb 2016 #35

Because of Bush, its that simple litlbilly Feb 2016 #39

No, I mean if we're looking at 70,000 fewer dem voters this time and Obama only got 5,000 more than JudyM Feb 2016 #42

They will show up for the GE litlbilly Feb 2016 #43

Communication gap here. JudyM Feb 2016 #44

If Obama gets out and And campaigns for redstateblues Feb 2016 #51

I do see what you mean. Bernie actually did quite well from the actual turnout. litlbilly Feb 2016 #48

Where are you getting those #'s? Can you link to a source? PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #46

Getting the tie despite the turnout given the Caucus date. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #28

2008 was the end of Bush the Least's catastrophic reign as well, Democrats were much more motivated Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #29

More propaganda for people desperate to stop the attacks on Hillary the inevitable AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #31

The truth hurts. Turnout was far below Obama's level. Calling this propaganda pnwmom Feb 2016 #33

oh, ffs, it's DATA, not "propaganda" - the turnout was nowhere CLOSE to 2008. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #34

Viva la revo...{yawn}...lution. randome Feb 2016 #40

2008--very different time, very different race, very different dynamics. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #50

I'm not blaming the turnout on him. I'm saying that Silver and others pnwmom Feb 2016 #53

Considering it was his first IA caucus and he appealed to young people TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #55

But they got their target number. kennetha Feb 2016 #52

I read it was their 2nd highest total, right after Obama in 08 Lucinda Feb 2016 #54

among young voters yes...but nowhere else...that has most of explanation beachbum bob Feb 2016 #57

Thanks, Debbie! mhatrw Feb 2016 #58

And who's fault is that?? Fearless Feb 2016 #66

Did Hillary get fewer supporters in the 2016 Iowa caucus than in her 3rd place finish in 2008? Vote2016 Feb 2016 #67

The FUD is flying fast and furious tonight! frylock Feb 2016 #72

ok vadermike Feb 2016 #77

It is likely not JUST Bernie who brought out fewer people karynnj Feb 2016 #83

This is a very bad sign for Clinton and for Democrats just so you know. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #84

Bernie couldn't carry Barack Obama's jockstrap. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #86

Thanks for that Debbie Wasserman Schultz! AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #87