2016 Postmortem

DanTex

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7. Fair enough. That's generally the root of the disagreement between H and B supporters.

Reply to EmperorHasNoClothes (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:42 AM

Feb 2016

We largely want the same things, but we disagree in our assessment of the predilections of the American electorate.

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A quick guide to Hillary supporters for Bernie supporters. [View all] DanTex Feb 2016 OP

i can appreciate that even though i don't understand it. but when head to head polls restorefreedom Feb 2016 #1

That's a fair question. And similarly, I can appreciate that Bernie supporters think he is DanTex Feb 2016 #3

happier with bernie but but voting hillary? argh, you're killing me! restorefreedom Feb 2016 #12

Yes. Not much happier, basically I think that it would be about the same given GOP opposition. DanTex Feb 2016 #13

i wonder what kind of data, if any, restorefreedom Feb 2016 #29

Yeah, I don't know. There's no hard data, which is part of the reason why big disagreements persist DanTex Feb 2016 #31

yup. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #33

Restore, Bernie's good record is next to useless. Hortensis Feb 2016 #45

i don't doubt any of what you say restorefreedom Feb 2016 #62

Agree 100% with all of it. Except Hortensis Feb 2016 #71

lol. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #73

Yeah, but in spite of all those crazy charges, Bill Clinton got re-elected anyway. Ligyron Feb 2016 #67

Lol. cali Feb 2016 #2

Spot on. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #4

From my perspective, Hillary doesn't stand a chance against the GOP EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #5

Fair enough. That's generally the root of the disagreement between H and B supporters. DanTex Feb 2016 #7

Agreed. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #20

Clinton has negative coattails: Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #19

This too. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #23

Well, elected Dems generally disagree with that. E.g. Pelosi distancing herself and the party DanTex Feb 2016 #32

Who would help out the establishment? Hmmm...... Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #37

They want to get re-elected, yes. Are you saying that Bernie throwing house and senate DanTex Feb 2016 #38

Hillary will lose house, senate, and maybe retain the White House. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #39

And you think the coattails leftynyc Feb 2016 #43

So you have not seen the polls then? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #44

Yes, I've seen the polls leftynyc Feb 2016 #48

Leftynyc, you need to stop listening to Claire McCaskill. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #49

I don't listen to anyone leftynyc Feb 2016 #50

Please let there be a debate on what socialism really is: Bernie would burry the GOP red-framing Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #51

But there wont be that debate leftynyc Feb 2016 #54

If that debate won't be, then why hesitate to nominate Sanders? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #60

You see leftynyc Feb 2016 #63

Except that the young voters did get off their hands in Iowa: Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #64

LOL leftynyc Feb 2016 #66

Have fun with the last 20th century campaign. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #68

And you continue to think leftynyc Feb 2016 #69

Hey Dan... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #6

I don't see at as so black-and-white. My personal politics align more closely with Bernie's DanTex Feb 2016 #9

Thanks for responding... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #28

Yes, thanks for the discussion. As far as the GOP, I'm actually rooting for Cruz, because I think DanTex Feb 2016 #30

Huh? Recursion Feb 2016 #10

That's part of my problem, Recursion... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #27

lol. non-partisan. lol. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #8

Okay that's fine...Now, here's the thing Armstead Feb 2016 #11

I can understand that, but not why anyone would think that a candidate with no-- eridani Feb 2016 #14

I appreciate your thoughts, but I don't think Hillary has a chance in hell of beating the GOP. Vinca Feb 2016 #15

Now imagine someone who thought the same set of rationales made Kerry the "smarter" choice in '04 Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #16

Well, in 2008, I firmly believed that Obama was the more electable candidate. DanTex Feb 2016 #21

It is worth noting that Hillary Clinton has never won a national election, either. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #24

Well, that's true about everyone who wins the presidency. DanTex Feb 2016 #26

I would add that Bill Clinton did was running as the Liberal Altrnative to GHW Bush and the GOP Armstead Feb 2016 #22

I saw all four of them- Bill, Hillary, Al and Tipper- at a rally at the Daley Center in Chicago Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #25

Yes, in 1992 they spoke like liberals. I remember. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #55

And here is why this primary season reminds me of 2004. frustrated_lefty Feb 2016 #17

I think this is true too. rosesaylavee Feb 2016 #18

You know what would be better? A Quick Guide to Hillary Clinton's Stances on the Issues. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #34

Why should we believe you? Fronkonsteen Feb 2016 #35

Clinton supporters believe there is clear evidence that she is more electable. DanTex Feb 2016 #41

So it's faith based support Fronkonsteen Feb 2016 #46

Evidence-based. Apparently you look at the same evidence and come to a different conclusion. DanTex Feb 2016 #47

Really? Fronkonsteen Feb 2016 #74

You constantly tell us what Sanders supporters think AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #36

K&R mcar Feb 2016 #40

then that person would be wrong redruddyred Feb 2016 #42

I understand. We agree on all of the issues. thereismore Feb 2016 #52

That's pretty much it, and I don't take it as snarky. DanTex Feb 2016 #59

I agree DanTex! Well said. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #61

I like Sanders but I cannot support a candidate who can not win in the general election Gothmog Feb 2016 #53

What I'll never understand EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #56

Correct. The always right Bernie supporters rock Feb 2016 #57

Project much? Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #58

Your belief is contrafactual. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #65

HRC motivates the GOP base much more than she motivates the Dem base. Her high negatives tblue37 Feb 2016 #70

Here's what I believe about Clinton Matariki Feb 2016 #72