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Showing Original Post only (View all)Accusations of Fraud and Theft Fly After Iowa Vote: HERE'S the LOWDOWN [View all]
Accusations of Fraud and Theft Fly After Iowa Vote: Here's the Lowdown
by Steven Rosenfeld / AlterNet
February 3, 2016
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A colorful report of a Des Moines Democratic Party caucus from the Los Angeles Times Kate Linthicum shows how passionate and unpredictable caucuses can be. She found chaos, lobbying, and even a little low-level bribery, but offering someone a free beer to switch sides is not a major conspiracy. A more eyebrow-raising moment was captured by C-SPAN, when a pro-Hillary Clinton precinct captain didnt appear to be accurately counting votes. Thats glaring, given the Democratic sides photo finish, but also is not a systemic issue.
Discovering that Clintons campaign may have recruited and paid non-Iowans to be precinct captains was a more serious charge, as that moves toward gaming the process, as some news organizations reported. I think this raises a very serious concern, Jeff Weaver, Sanders campaign manager, told Yahoo! News. Weaver assured Bernie supporters that hes not concerned specifically about this single out-of-state precinct captain, [but] he did insist that this could be a small link in a larger strategy by the Clinton campaign to have 'non-residents attempt to participate and be counted in the caucus.'"
That report, from UsUncut.com, shows how quickly bad behavior can be taken as the tip of a conspiratorial iceberg. They ended: Ironically, Clintons people also accused Barack Obamas team in 2008 with systematically trying to manipulate the Iowa caucuses with out-of-state people. Its now very possible that shes adopted such manipulations into her own political playbook.
Other eyebrow-raising antics occurred, raising alarm but it was inconsequential. When some caucuses ended in ties, yes a coin was used to decide the winner. But thats the practice in a dozen states, so that should not have caused alarmalthough the Sanders team later used a video of one coin toss to raise money. Reporters investigating that said it occurred perhaps two-dozen times out of nearly 1,700-plus Democratic caucus sites, benefitting both Sanders and Clinton.
The Des Moines Register reported on what was behind the totals from the very last Democrat precinct to turn it results, which gave Sanders two additional state convention delegates out of 1,400 awarded, cutting Clintons Iowa victory to two delegates. Apparently, a poor soul who volunteered to chair the caucusafter no one else came forthdidnt know he had to submit results, the paper said. While the whole world waited, he went home and next morning had an Oh My God moment. Thats what you get when poll workers are last-minute volunteers who are inexperienced.
However, that Register report raised the first substantial issue of magnitude: that Iowas Democratic Party would not release the raw caucus vote totals, but used a formula to award theoretical delegates to this springs statewide party convention. Whats even odder about that projection is that some 11,000 delegates, primarily divided between Sanders and Clinton, would first attend their county conventions. As NPR noted, this whole process doesnt produce a clear winner in a tight race.
TheRegister raised the obvious question, whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa, adding, Sanders backers called for Iowa Democratic Party officials to release the raw vote totals. But the party would not lift its veil on the raw vote totals nor its arcane calculations.
That led Weaver to tell the Washington Post that his campaign would never know what really happened, for all the reasons already mentioned and one more: newly deployed vote-counting software from Microsoft didnt perfectly perform either......
Read in full~
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/accusations-fraud-and-theft-fly-after-iowa-vote-heres-lowdown
by Steven Rosenfeld / AlterNet
February 3, 2016
........snip.........
A colorful report of a Des Moines Democratic Party caucus from the Los Angeles Times Kate Linthicum shows how passionate and unpredictable caucuses can be. She found chaos, lobbying, and even a little low-level bribery, but offering someone a free beer to switch sides is not a major conspiracy. A more eyebrow-raising moment was captured by C-SPAN, when a pro-Hillary Clinton precinct captain didnt appear to be accurately counting votes. Thats glaring, given the Democratic sides photo finish, but also is not a systemic issue.
Discovering that Clintons campaign may have recruited and paid non-Iowans to be precinct captains was a more serious charge, as that moves toward gaming the process, as some news organizations reported. I think this raises a very serious concern, Jeff Weaver, Sanders campaign manager, told Yahoo! News. Weaver assured Bernie supporters that hes not concerned specifically about this single out-of-state precinct captain, [but] he did insist that this could be a small link in a larger strategy by the Clinton campaign to have 'non-residents attempt to participate and be counted in the caucus.'"
That report, from UsUncut.com, shows how quickly bad behavior can be taken as the tip of a conspiratorial iceberg. They ended: Ironically, Clintons people also accused Barack Obamas team in 2008 with systematically trying to manipulate the Iowa caucuses with out-of-state people. Its now very possible that shes adopted such manipulations into her own political playbook.
Other eyebrow-raising antics occurred, raising alarm but it was inconsequential. When some caucuses ended in ties, yes a coin was used to decide the winner. But thats the practice in a dozen states, so that should not have caused alarmalthough the Sanders team later used a video of one coin toss to raise money. Reporters investigating that said it occurred perhaps two-dozen times out of nearly 1,700-plus Democratic caucus sites, benefitting both Sanders and Clinton.
The Des Moines Register reported on what was behind the totals from the very last Democrat precinct to turn it results, which gave Sanders two additional state convention delegates out of 1,400 awarded, cutting Clintons Iowa victory to two delegates. Apparently, a poor soul who volunteered to chair the caucusafter no one else came forthdidnt know he had to submit results, the paper said. While the whole world waited, he went home and next morning had an Oh My God moment. Thats what you get when poll workers are last-minute volunteers who are inexperienced.
However, that Register report raised the first substantial issue of magnitude: that Iowas Democratic Party would not release the raw caucus vote totals, but used a formula to award theoretical delegates to this springs statewide party convention. Whats even odder about that projection is that some 11,000 delegates, primarily divided between Sanders and Clinton, would first attend their county conventions. As NPR noted, this whole process doesnt produce a clear winner in a tight race.
TheRegister raised the obvious question, whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa, adding, Sanders backers called for Iowa Democratic Party officials to release the raw vote totals. But the party would not lift its veil on the raw vote totals nor its arcane calculations.
That led Weaver to tell the Washington Post that his campaign would never know what really happened, for all the reasons already mentioned and one more: newly deployed vote-counting software from Microsoft didnt perfectly perform either......
Read in full~
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/accusations-fraud-and-theft-fly-after-iowa-vote-heres-lowdown
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Accusations of Fraud and Theft Fly After Iowa Vote: HERE'S the LOWDOWN [View all]
RiverLover
Feb 2016
OP
Of course, to the plutocrats either Hillary OR the Republican is OK, but Bernie is a big NO.
NorthCarolina
Feb 2016
#8
I'm sure the Clinton campaign will immediately call for a full and transparent investigation
Fumesucker
Feb 2016
#3
So where in that video is the voter fraud? It's 10 minutes long, has someone cut it down to the
DanTex
Feb 2016
#10
Sorry, I confused threads. Because this thread isn't about Hillary lying. Its about the DNC
RiverLover
Feb 2016
#39
OK I watched the video, and the only conclusion I have is that the whole process is idiotic.
DanTex
Feb 2016
#30
Yup, the Sanders person is nodding in agreement when the Hillary person explained that she had
DanTex
Feb 2016
#73
That's a joke. There's confusion and mayhem, but nobody messed with the final counts.
DanTex
Feb 2016
#31
Uh...only counting new additions and then lying by saying you recounted everyone
jeff47
Feb 2016
#46
It wasn't a lie. She explained the whole thing in full view of the Bernie captain
DanTex
Feb 2016
#52
Yes, I just watched it. I saw the Bernie woman nodding in agreement when the Hillary counter
DanTex
Feb 2016
#67
Out of curiosity, how do you feel about the fact that the Bernie counter only got
DanTex
Feb 2016
#64
Well, after hours of sitting there, the people at the caucus apparently figured that
DanTex
Feb 2016
#69
Which shows no fraud except for possibly two extra votes counted by the Sanders person.
DanTex
Feb 2016
#76
For the people who claim to be the ones experienced in politics, you guys really do a very bad job
jeff47
Feb 2016
#81
So you're going to ignore the "count"/"recount" thing? Just run away with your tail between legs?
DanTex
Feb 2016
#82
Yes, it is. It's also clear that jeff47 fabricated the quote in order to support his argument.
DanTex
Feb 2016
#96
LOL. You are priceless. Nothing to see here, everybody. DanTex to the rescue! nt
mhatrw
Feb 2016
#89
This is not a basketball game! You can count baskets made. They are recorded. On video. In stills.
jillan
Feb 2016
#68
I never suggested she " sweep (ed) the delegates by a large number."
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2016
#84
Sanders had a back up...I don't think the microsoft app was the problem, more their website
RiverLover
Feb 2016
#24
Actually it isn't. It is expected, and that's what makes it all so sad.
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2016
#48
What a farce. And this state and its ridiculous process is what sets the stage for the rest?
Roland99
Feb 2016
#33
There's a reason our citizenry has added the term " Clintonian" to our lexicon...
AzDar
Feb 2016
#38
The DNC is reflecting their chosen candidate, trouble being honest & transparent.
RiverLover
Feb 2016
#55