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2016 Postmortem

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RiverLover

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Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:47 AM Feb 2016

Accusations of Fraud and Theft Fly After Iowa Vote: HERE'S the LOWDOWN [View all]

Accusations of Fraud and Theft Fly After Iowa Vote: Here's the Lowdown
by Steven Rosenfeld / AlterNet
February 3, 2016


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A colorful report of a Des Moines Democratic Party caucus from the Los Angeles Times’ Kate Linthicum shows how passionate and unpredictable caucuses can be. She found “chaos, lobbying, and even a little low-level bribery,” but offering someone a free beer to switch sides is not a major conspiracy. A more eyebrow-raising moment was captured by C-SPAN, when a pro-Hillary Clinton precinct captain didn’t appear to be accurately counting votes. That’s glaring, given the Democratic side’s photo finish, but also is not a systemic issue.



Discovering that Clinton’s campaign may have recruited and paid non-Iowans to be precinct captains was a more serious charge, as that moves toward gaming the process, as some news organizations reported. “I think this raises a very serious concern,” Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ campaign manager, told Yahoo! News. Weaver “assured Bernie supporters that he’s not concerned specifically about this single out-of-state precinct captain, [but] he did insist that this could be a small link in a larger strategy by the Clinton campaign to have 'non-residents attempt to participate and be counted in the caucus.'"

That report, from UsUncut.com, shows how quickly bad behavior can be taken as the tip of a conspiratorial iceberg. They ended: “Ironically, Clinton’s people also accused Barack Obama’s team in 2008 with ‘systematically trying to manipulate the Iowa caucuses with out-of-state people.’ It’s now very possible that she’s adopted such manipulations into her own political playbook.”

Other eyebrow-raising antics occurred, raising alarm but it was inconsequential. When some caucuses ended in ties, yes a coin was used to decide the winner. But that’s the practice in a dozen states, so that should not have caused alarm—although the Sanders team later used a video of one coin toss to raise money. Reporters investigating that said it occurred perhaps two-dozen times out of nearly 1,700-plus Democratic caucus sites, benefitting both Sanders and Clinton.

The Des Moines Register reported on what was behind the totals from the very last Democrat precinct to turn it results, which gave Sanders two additional state convention delegates out of 1,400 awarded, cutting Clinton’s Iowa “victory” to two delegates. Apparently, a poor soul who volunteered to chair the caucus—after no one else came forth—didn’t know he had to submit results, the paper said. While the whole world waited, he went home and next morning had an ‘Oh My God’ moment. That’s what you get when poll workers are last-minute volunteers who are inexperienced.

However, that Register report raised the first substantial issue of magnitude: that Iowa’s Democratic Party would not release the raw caucus vote totals, but used a formula to award theoretical delegates to this spring’s statewide party convention. What’s even odder about that projection is that some 11,000 delegates, primarily divided between Sanders and Clinton, would first attend their county conventions. As NPR noted, this whole process doesn’t produce a clear winner in a tight race.

TheRegister raised the obvious question, “whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa,” adding, “Sanders backers called for Iowa Democratic Party officials to release the raw vote totals.” But the party would not lift its veil on the raw vote totals nor its arcane calculations.

That led Weaver to tell the Washington Post that his campaign would never know what really happened, for all the reasons already mentioned and one more: newly deployed vote-counting software from Microsoft didn’t perfectly perform either......


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The Democratic Party is acting like it has something to hide. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #1
The Party is acting as if it doesn't want to win the GE. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #2
I agree. They'd rather lose with Hillary than win with Bernie. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #5
This is one reason, a big one, why getting MONEY OUT OF POLITICS RiverLover Feb 2016 #6
Exactly! FrostyAusty Feb 2016 #7
I can't believe the crap they spew to the American public. RiverLover Feb 2016 #9
Trump doesn't have a SuperPAC. Maybe we should vote for him. tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #18
hrc must be so proud. nothing like cheating to prove lib cred roguevalley Feb 2016 #54
Of course, to the plutocrats either Hillary OR the Republican is OK, but Bernie is a big NO. NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #8
I'm sure the Clinton campaign will immediately call for a full and transparent investigation Fumesucker Feb 2016 #3
Ahaha.... SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #4
What did-does it know and when did it know it? - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #20
So where in that video is the voter fraud? It's 10 minutes long, has someone cut it down to the DanTex Feb 2016 #10
Here you go~ RiverLover Feb 2016 #11
And they know she lied because...? randome Feb 2016 #23
Its on video. Its Hillary's own words. RiverLover Feb 2016 #32
Hillary's words? Your excerpt is about a Hillary 'counter'. randome Feb 2016 #37
Sorry, I confused threads. Because this thread isn't about Hillary lying. Its about the DNC RiverLover Feb 2016 #39
OK I watched the video, and the only conclusion I have is that the whole process is idiotic. DanTex Feb 2016 #30
not quite accurate jham123 Feb 2016 #71
Yup, the Sanders person is nodding in agreement when the Hillary person explained that she had DanTex Feb 2016 #73
I believe this is election fraud. Thav Feb 2016 #13
Yep /nt RiverLover Feb 2016 #15
That's a joke. There's confusion and mayhem, but nobody messed with the final counts. DanTex Feb 2016 #31
Uh...only counting new additions and then lying by saying you recounted everyone jeff47 Feb 2016 #46
It wasn't a lie. She explained the whole thing in full view of the Bernie captain DanTex Feb 2016 #52
Yes, it actually was a lie. Whether or not she was explaining she lied. jeff47 Feb 2016 #61
No, it wasn't, it was a misunderstanding. DanTex Feb 2016 #63
You realize the video is still available, right? jeff47 Feb 2016 #65
Yes, I just watched it. I saw the Bernie woman nodding in agreement when the Hillary counter DanTex Feb 2016 #67
Out of curiosity, how do you feel about the fact that the Bernie counter only got DanTex Feb 2016 #64
ANY errors should be corrected. Even those that help Clinton. jeff47 Feb 2016 #66
Well, after hours of sitting there, the people at the caucus apparently figured that DanTex Feb 2016 #69
And that still doesn't change the video. jeff47 Feb 2016 #75
Which shows no fraud except for possibly two extra votes counted by the Sanders person. DanTex Feb 2016 #76
Except for the whole lying thing. jeff47 Feb 2016 #78
LOL. That wasn't a lie. It was obviously a misunderstanding. DanTex Feb 2016 #80
For the people who claim to be the ones experienced in politics, you guys really do a very bad job jeff47 Feb 2016 #81
So you're going to ignore the "count"/"recount" thing? Just run away with your tail between legs? DanTex Feb 2016 #82
it is clear from the video the hc gal did not do a 2nd count questionseverything Feb 2016 #94
Yes, it is. It's also clear that jeff47 fabricated the quote in order to support his argument. DanTex Feb 2016 #96
LOL. You are priceless. Nothing to see here, everybody. DanTex to the rescue! nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #89
To borrow a colloquialism "he done got whupped." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #12
bahahahaha. you call that a whooping? pathetic. on to NH. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #17
The Heat Beat the Mavericks last night 93-90. It was a virtual tie! DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #19
WHOLE POINTS. and you have virtually lost ALL credibility. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #29
Please see Post 41. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #42
nope. need a break. done with you. a little too late with the please. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #51
Please have a nice day. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #56
Basketball is winner-take-all. IA caucuses are not. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #45
This is not a basketball game! You can count baskets made. They are recorded. On video. In stills. jillan Feb 2016 #68
Hillary won the contest. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #77
.2% A real mandate.... Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #28
Please see Post 41. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #43
I hear your battle cry now "We are the 0.2%!!!!" Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #60
That's what Bush said when they stole the election. zeemike Feb 2016 #35
Verify all you want. He lost. Deal with it./nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #41
Verify all you want Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #83
I never suggested she " sweep (ed) the delegates by a large number." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #84
And I never said Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #85
I never suggested it was a mandate... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #86
I feel it's bad sportsmanship Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #87
Well we could but the DNC says no. zeemike Feb 2016 #88
Isn't there a better way?? jaxind Feb 2016 #14
I thought Sanders was using his own software and not the Microsoft app. randome Feb 2016 #16
Sanders had a back up...I don't think the microsoft app was the problem, more their website RiverLover Feb 2016 #24
It didn't work HenryWallace Feb 2016 #25
Thank you. Good to know! RiverLover Feb 2016 #27
Stop the presses. DURHAM D Feb 2016 #21
The hypocrisy is astounding. Agschmid Feb 2016 #26
Actually it isn't. It is expected, and that's what makes it all so sad. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #48
He posted he was a BACK UP and he was not paid. Big difference. n/t zalinda Feb 2016 #44
Wish I'd put my money in tin foil stocks The Polack MSgt Feb 2016 #22
What a farce. And this state and its ridiculous process is what sets the stage for the rest? Roland99 Feb 2016 #33
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #34
For All The Attention Iowa Gets Being The First Caucus State... global1 Feb 2016 #36
There's a reason our citizenry has added the term " Clintonian" to our lexicon... AzDar Feb 2016 #38
This is so effing stupid Gman Feb 2016 #40
I do not understand why the Dem Party would not release the results and check Jarqui Feb 2016 #47
Exactly. Just tell us the vote count. Why can't they do that? /nt RiverLover Feb 2016 #53
Oh my God, now we're counting caucus votes on computers! Stevepol Feb 2016 #49
I don't understand, dpatbrown Feb 2016 #50
The DNC is reflecting their chosen candidate, trouble being honest & transparent. RiverLover Feb 2016 #55
Fox Resorts To Bogus "Voter Fraud" Claims To Downplay Clinton Caucus Victory JTFrog Feb 2016 #57
Says Media Matters, one of Hillary's advocacy sites disguised as news. RiverLover Feb 2016 #59
LOL. JTFrog Feb 2016 #62
And just Who is the founder of Media Matters? Oh look! It's David Brock!!! jillan Feb 2016 #72
instead of sniping at each other, address the real problem shireen Feb 2016 #58
But, it's a Tradition! Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2016 #97
Its a FOX NEWS operation workinclasszero Feb 2016 #70
Just like Anita Hill was lying, David Brock? nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #90
Sanders supporter here.... jham123 Feb 2016 #74
A Sanders' supporter who has been here two days and hasn't recommended a single thread? mhatrw Feb 2016 #91
a few things jham123 Feb 2016 #92
Welcome to DU, too much protesting lady! nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #93
"too much protesting lady" RiverLover Feb 2016 #99
I didn't think so jham123 Feb 2016 #100
So then Hillary knew the fix was in INdemo Feb 2016 #79
The Des Moines Register endorsed Hillary and they asked for a review. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #95
Seriously, caucusing is a Mickey Mouse process. LS_Editor Feb 2016 #98
Carnival Cruz is a nasty person who cheated in Iowa Gothmog Feb 2016 #101
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