2016 Postmortem

eridani

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216. Voting is the bare minimum of support

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:50 AM

Feb 2016

I've convinced some young Sanders supporters to vote for the Dem nominee even if it isn't Sanders. But no way in hell are they going to phonebank, doorknock or donate to her.

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Hillary absolutely positively cannot win the general election [View all] cali Feb 2016 OP

Why are they so much more important than the rest of us? treestar Feb 2016 #1

Youth voters... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #2

Even so, older people get one vote each too treestar Feb 2016 #5

'..young AA voters don't necessarily support Bernie..' elias49 Feb 2016 #25

Is there a poll showing who they support? treestar Feb 2016 #56

there are more young voters than there are old. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #69

that's not proof regarding minority youth treestar Feb 2016 #81

youth is youth. i thought we were talking all youth combined nt retrowire Feb 2016 #94

IIRC, Bernie got 34% of the non-white vote in Iowa. kath Feb 2016 #70

not proof regarding youth, and he got minority as it is treestar Feb 2016 #82

Right! Mother Jones: "Millennials Like Hillary Clinton Just Fine" Hortensis Feb 2016 #92

Yet again jham123 Feb 2016 #101

Split in Dems? I don't think so - really! Hortensis Feb 2016 #145

Wait, What? jham123 Feb 2016 #223

Here's what unity looks like, Jham. Hortensis Feb 2016 #225

You can "see" whatever you want.. jham123 Feb 2016 #226

What??? kracer20 Feb 2016 #107

In that same poll Glamrock Feb 2016 #121

The "flee the country" response for Hillary is dangerously high. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #129

This includes CONSERVATIVE millennials, BillZ. Hortensis Feb 2016 #131

Weird. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #199

No kidding workinclasszero Feb 2016 #217

Not to mention older people tend to be more reliable voters as a bloc kcr Feb 2016 #222

Oh didn't say that. Now please tell me how cali Feb 2016 #10

Exactly right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #17

Seems simple enough. malthaussen Feb 2016 #54

In my opinion, H2O Man Feb 2016 #158

Alas, there is much of that going around. malthaussen Feb 2016 #164

Bernie does not have the minority millennials. Hortensis Feb 2016 #46

Friendly word of advice: my Latino and Latina friends tell me they prefer the KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #100

Yes, that one seems to be all over the place. Hortensis Feb 2016 #152

I'm not Latina, but I found this useful.... loyalsister Feb 2016 #196

Explain how any Democrat does that without AA voters treestar Feb 2016 #59

Do try to focus. I said right in the op that I expect Hillary cali Feb 2016 #99

Do you have any evidence of this? OilemFirchen Feb 2016 #154

Oh for the love of logic. How many times have Hillary cali Feb 2016 #157

OIC. OilemFirchen Feb 2016 #171

Cali, many AA voters are pretty conservative. Hortensis Feb 2016 #169

Seems like a disengenuous question. malthaussen Feb 2016 #49

He certainly requires a lot more additional demos than Hillary does treestar Feb 2016 #60

They are the future - and... SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #52

Well damn, I'm still alive and I care about my future too treestar Feb 2016 #74

Then vote Sanders SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #87

damn, Treestar, last time I checked all those catagories have young voters. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #58

Well you did not check any polls to determine that minority youth treestar Feb 2016 #76

More important? No quakerboy Feb 2016 #83

They are now the largest voting bloc, displacing Baby Boomers n/t eridani Feb 2016 #213

Hillary would depress the youth vote gyroscope Feb 2016 #3

Even though the new polls show her beating every Repub. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #7

What polls? gyroscope Feb 2016 #9

No they sure the fuck don't. cali Feb 2016 #29

Run, janey, run. cali Feb 2016 #44

The same polls show Sanders beating them by more n/t eridani Feb 2016 #214

Hillary would depress this senior's vote. SheilaT Feb 2016 #123

Me too!! jillan Feb 2016 #144

It Will This Senior's Vote! n/t ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #178

I thought Obama was supposed to motivate Repubs unlike anything else? n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #179

This is nothing to 2008. The voters will support Hillary in the general. Quit trying to make it more Pisces Feb 2016 #4

This is not true for me anecdotally. stillwaiting Feb 2016 #13

You are flat out WRONG pinebox Feb 2016 #14

It really is the fate of the nation and the Democratic Party. earthside Feb 2016 #26

Hillary loses to Cruz pinebox Feb 2016 #37

The "Anybody but Hillary" vote will be strong. SoapBox Feb 2016 #53

So many feel as I do...No More Clintons. Locrian Feb 2016 #63

The party establishment doesn't get it. earthside Feb 2016 #61

I'm a Colorado indy pinebox Feb 2016 #64

same here but in California dana_b Feb 2016 #141

Kansas indy here. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #200

I Haven't Said I Won't Vote For Hillary, BUT I HAVE Said ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #176

I understand you completely, I also became a Democrat at 18, to vote for something Dragonfli Feb 2016 #188

Hey, Just Want To Say I Was Going To Reply To You ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #227

One little question. senz Feb 2016 #207

Real Clear Politics pinebox Feb 2016 #208

Thank you! senz Feb 2016 #209

Welcome! pinebox Feb 2016 #210

I guess we will see, but I know the 2 camps do not dislike each other like 2008. Hillary will beat Pisces Feb 2016 #193

No she won't pinebox Feb 2016 #219

You offer no evidence or reasoning for that claim. cali Feb 2016 #50

Yes--the ones that actually vote n/t eridani Feb 2016 #215

New polls show her beating every Republican... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #6

Still no supporting evidence for your claim. elias49 Feb 2016 #28

She... jham123 Feb 2016 #98

Nuh-uhh frylock Feb 2016 #108

proof?? n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #142

i heard a plug for rubio and one of his selling points restorefreedom Feb 2016 #8

I wonder how many of us Latinos would vote to get one of us in? artislife Feb 2016 #135

wow, excellent point restorefreedom Feb 2016 #160

However, Rubio is bat-shit insane. Just like Trump and Cruz emulatorloo Feb 2016 #184

No she will not, and she can't win without Independents. Autumn Feb 2016 #11

I don't attack and alienate young voters. Just the opposite. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #12

Chris Matthews attacks and alienates young voters ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #20

. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #23

Whereabouts in NC are you? ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #30

Not in NC. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #32

Gotcha gotcha. ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #41

I believe there are direct quotes of Sanders that aren't even allowed for discussion here. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #43

I have a bone of contention... jham123 Feb 2016 #97

+1 treestar Feb 2016 #62

According to keyboard warriors or actual Democrats? BigGLiberal Feb 2016 #15

I hope you're not relying solely upon actual Democrats. frylock Feb 2016 #109

Actual Democrats are 30% of the electorate. jeff47 Feb 2016 #117

This is true. Bernie's greatest moment will be when he endorses her and manages to bring those DanTex Feb 2016 #16

In what alternate universe do you really think millennials go to the mat for Hillary? nt ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #21

I'm expecting a strong endorsement from Bernie. Aren't you? Do you think millenials won't DanTex Feb 2016 #22

Condescension aside, people vote with their hearts ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #24

Maybe not the whole brigade, but you overlook that Hillary also has a brigade, which DanTex Feb 2016 #27

We need to debunk the socialist stigma, that's for damn sure! ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #31

I agree with that, but I'd rather not mix the stigma debunking with a presidential election. DanTex Feb 2016 #35

There's no worry, though, if the myth is thoroughly debunked amongst an energized ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #38

I'm not worried about the stigma among energized Democrats. I'm worried about the stigma among DanTex Feb 2016 #40

Exactly, it should be the opposite in that Bernie can't bring in those voters treestar Feb 2016 #66

I've never once voted with my heart. Codeine Feb 2016 #168

goodness, me, the epitome of a VSP nt ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #175

Elections are VSB. nt Codeine Feb 2016 #180

then elect someone who is Very Serious about helping the American people ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #183

Unless we are staring down the Trumpocolypse.... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #75

Elliot, if millenials don't vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination... Nitram Feb 2016 #39

You can't call 'suspect' the passion Bernie is inspiring amongst young voters ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #42

If they don't vote for clinton it neans they don't have a clue what is at stake. Nitram Feb 2016 #45

Nah...I think most just won't see Hillary as a reliable figure ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #57

Yeah I mean, don't us Youthful morons know Clinton is trying to establish a dynasty here! /nt JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #79

If you had a clue what's at stake Beowulf Feb 2016 #130

It is hard to consider Bernie as inspiring any passion treestar Feb 2016 #67

Oh, please, it's not ageist to say that young people are the future ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #84

Elliot, your statement that "old people are on their way out" is both crude and ageist. Nitram Feb 2016 #159

And if they vote for Clinton, they are harming their own future irreparably. jeff47 Feb 2016 #124

Let's dispense with your straw man argument, jeff, and admit that Clinton is not for the status quo. Nitram Feb 2016 #162

To do that, you'd have to actually demonstrate some place where she can change it jeff47 Feb 2016 #174

And your post, while thoroughly loaded with insults, perfectly manages... Nitram Feb 2016 #189

What points? jeff47 Feb 2016 #192

Bernie's greatest moments, to date, have been in exposing what a weak candidate cali Feb 2016 #55

I don't see it that way, and I doubt Bernie would. DanTex Feb 2016 #71

I can't believe you wrote that. senz Feb 2016 #212

You utterly misunderstand the people supporting Sanders jeff47 Feb 2016 #119

Well, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Do they understand how bad a GOP presidency would DanTex Feb 2016 #122

Do you understand that the status quo is actively hurting them? jeff47 Feb 2016 #125

Do they not understand how immeasurably worse things would be under the GOP? DanTex Feb 2016 #127

So, no, you do not understand. jeff47 Feb 2016 #136

If they believe that it wouldn't be much worse under the GOP, then they are the ones who don't DanTex Feb 2016 #149

You continuing to say the same thing does not change that you fail to understand. jeff47 Feb 2016 #165

I am right. Your analogies are silly. Unless you think that most Sanders supporters DanTex Feb 2016 #177

They are not nearly as extreme as you pretend jeff47 Feb 2016 #181

Of course they are. Your analogies are about immediate death. DanTex Feb 2016 #186

Congratulations jeff47. Dawgs Feb 2016 #182

This is literally a "who else you gonna vote for?" kind of statement to my generation. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #138

It's a situation where there is one better and one worse alternative. DanTex Feb 2016 #150

Bernie's the better. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #153

I'm talking about the GE, in the hypothetical situation where it's Hillary vs the GOP. DanTex Feb 2016 #156

He may endorse her, if he loses the nomination, dana_b Feb 2016 #146

BAH! Haven't you heard, the youngin's are basically worthless trash!!11!eleven!? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #18

Oh. Look, there goes another straw man! Nitram Feb 2016 #51

Jesus Christ! Are you correcting grammar on a post that deliberate? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #68

It was a joke, Noodleman, just a joke. Nitram Feb 2016 #104

It's that childish style of argument treestar Feb 2016 #72

Bernie absolutely positively cannot win the general election book_worm Feb 2016 #19

Bernie beats EVERY Republican nominee. Hillary does NOT pinebox Feb 2016 #47

Those are worth pretty much nothing mythology Feb 2016 #103

That's the new goalpost cry now? pinebox Feb 2016 #112

oh look! Real proof! dana_b Feb 2016 #147

You are forgetting one rather simple thing Tarc Feb 2016 #33

It doesn't matter pinebox Feb 2016 #48

That is what they say now Tarc Feb 2016 #78

No you aren't getting it pinebox Feb 2016 #85

I really doubt that Tarc Feb 2016 #172

+1 jham123 Feb 2016 #110

Sorry, that does not mean they'll support hillary cali Feb 2016 #65

Better corrupt, dishonest neocon Hillary than any of the reactionary batshit pukes. 2banon Feb 2016 #116

I live in California too so I'll do the same dana_b Feb 2016 #148

I agree. Millineals aren't going to vote Repub underpants Feb 2016 #96

Again it doesn't matter pinebox Feb 2016 #113

"I'll hurt you less" is not a winning strategy. jeff47 Feb 2016 #126

+100000 artislife Feb 2016 #139

The cynical vote EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #34

No need for the "fairly" modifier, EB elias49 Feb 2016 #80

. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #36

I will say this SheenaR Feb 2016 #73

Attacks on young voters has been non-stop? No, they haven't. KittyWampus Feb 2016 #77

Yes they have and here's your proof pinebox Feb 2016 #89

LOL!! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #86

Ya it's hilarious isn't it? pinebox Feb 2016 #90

Thanks for that excellent retort. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #220

:) pinebox Feb 2016 #221

Um, what are these attacks agsinst youth voters which you allude to get n your post? LonePirate Feb 2016 #88

You're right, cali. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #91

Astonishing that people don't see this... SO MANY negatives, omg. AzDar Feb 2016 #93

Apparently Hillary's more worried about a Bernie win, than she is about the GE or a GOP White House 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #95

Like all Third-way Democrats, she thinks "Who else you gonna vote for?" works. jeff47 Feb 2016 #128

Oh they "learned" alright. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #140

I am so sick of the dana_b Feb 2016 #151

lol...ok/...lets make sure the younger voters take their naps so they don't throw a tantrum... beachbum bob Feb 2016 #102

I agree, and it's becoming more apparent as time goes on. Avalux Feb 2016 #105

That's the success of his whole campaign jham123 Feb 2016 #115

But at least she can maybe keep the Democratic Socialist out. A small price Karmadillo Feb 2016 #106

exactly. n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #155

I cannot disagree with your analysis, but I think there is still plenty of time KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #111

It won't be believable. jeff47 Feb 2016 #134

Should Clinton be nominated, and they choose not to vote, they want what Republicans will give them. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #114

Hillary Clinton will never be president. DesMoinesDem Feb 2016 #118

K&R CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #120

Um, if you are talking about random comments on DU, Guess how many fucks are given by young voters snooper2 Feb 2016 #132

Is there suddenly going to be a cap on voting age liberal N proud Feb 2016 #133

How has anyone "attacked" young voters? I haven't seen it ANYWHERE either in the media.... George II Feb 2016 #137

Neither have I. It's a strange claim. randome Feb 2016 #161

See my post from the other day...... mrmpa Feb 2016 #143

she can't win w/o Indies, either, and they favor Bernie nt amborin Feb 2016 #163

And when Sanders endorses Clinton, what will they do? randome Feb 2016 #167

Voting is the bare minimum of support eridani Feb 2016 #216

You are right, but there is more. sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #166

According to the recent national polls, she already loses to Cruz! DrBulldog Feb 2016 #170

We probably think that we're thankful we paid attention in civics class... Tarc Feb 2016 #173

If you paid attention in civics class you would know how important the popular vote is Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #203

That sure sailed over your head... Tarc Feb 2016 #205

You were responding to a post about how Hillary performs against Cruz Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #206

Wait wut? ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #185

For all the talk about the "youth vote"...... backtomn Feb 2016 #187

Older voters will turn out to vote against anyone who promises to cut SS. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #190

The funny thing is I could say the exact same thing Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #191

Funny thing is, Hillary will almost certainly be the nominee. cali Feb 2016 #194

I see nothing funny about the Dems losing a presidential race Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #195

Agreed Cali. Puglover Feb 2016 #198

Hey, Pug. Certainly hope we're both wrong. cali Feb 2016 #218

I continue to be so saddened by those OldHippieChick Feb 2016 #197

Guess what, Sander's cannot win a general election without Clinton supporters still_one Feb 2016 #201

WHY cant people just say MFM008 Feb 2016 #202

And if they choose not to vote they are being STUPID LAZY PURIST ASSHOLES! RBInMaine Feb 2016 #204

Plus no candidate has ever won the Presidency with an unfavorable rating Lorien Feb 2016 #211

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