2016 Postmortem

Armstead

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11. Okay that's fine...Now, here's the thing

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:55 AM

Feb 2016

(speaking for myself only) there is a part of me that agrees with that.

However, there's also a part of me that disagrees.

Ultimately I think either one of them is a gamble. Each has a set of pluses and minuses that IMO are about equal, although different.

Given that, I'd rather see the guy who represents everything I've believed for years on a gut level than the person who represents much of what has annoyed and frustrated me about the Democratic Party.

I think the one consolation is the the GOP's selection are such a group of mean spirited Bozos that they may end up defeating themselves. If any of them actually were to win, it would be an indication our national problems that are much bigger then whether Sanders or Clinton are better.

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A quick guide to Hillary supporters for Bernie supporters. [View all] DanTex Feb 2016 OP

i can appreciate that even though i don't understand it. but when head to head polls restorefreedom Feb 2016 #1

That's a fair question. And similarly, I can appreciate that Bernie supporters think he is DanTex Feb 2016 #3

happier with bernie but but voting hillary? argh, you're killing me! restorefreedom Feb 2016 #12

Yes. Not much happier, basically I think that it would be about the same given GOP opposition. DanTex Feb 2016 #13

i wonder what kind of data, if any, restorefreedom Feb 2016 #29

Yeah, I don't know. There's no hard data, which is part of the reason why big disagreements persist DanTex Feb 2016 #31

yup. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #33

Restore, Bernie's good record is next to useless. Hortensis Feb 2016 #45

i don't doubt any of what you say restorefreedom Feb 2016 #62

Agree 100% with all of it. Except Hortensis Feb 2016 #71

lol. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #73

Yeah, but in spite of all those crazy charges, Bill Clinton got re-elected anyway. Ligyron Feb 2016 #67

Lol. cali Feb 2016 #2

Spot on. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #4

From my perspective, Hillary doesn't stand a chance against the GOP EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #5

Fair enough. That's generally the root of the disagreement between H and B supporters. DanTex Feb 2016 #7

Agreed. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #20

Clinton has negative coattails: Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #19

This too. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #23

Well, elected Dems generally disagree with that. E.g. Pelosi distancing herself and the party DanTex Feb 2016 #32

Who would help out the establishment? Hmmm...... Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #37

They want to get re-elected, yes. Are you saying that Bernie throwing house and senate DanTex Feb 2016 #38

Hillary will lose house, senate, and maybe retain the White House. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #39

And you think the coattails leftynyc Feb 2016 #43

So you have not seen the polls then? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #44

Yes, I've seen the polls leftynyc Feb 2016 #48

Leftynyc, you need to stop listening to Claire McCaskill. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #49

I don't listen to anyone leftynyc Feb 2016 #50

Please let there be a debate on what socialism really is: Bernie would burry the GOP red-framing Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #51

But there wont be that debate leftynyc Feb 2016 #54

If that debate won't be, then why hesitate to nominate Sanders? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #60

You see leftynyc Feb 2016 #63

Except that the young voters did get off their hands in Iowa: Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #64

LOL leftynyc Feb 2016 #66

Have fun with the last 20th century campaign. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #68

And you continue to think leftynyc Feb 2016 #69

Hey Dan... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #6

I don't see at as so black-and-white. My personal politics align more closely with Bernie's DanTex Feb 2016 #9

Thanks for responding... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #28

Yes, thanks for the discussion. As far as the GOP, I'm actually rooting for Cruz, because I think DanTex Feb 2016 #30

Huh? Recursion Feb 2016 #10

That's part of my problem, Recursion... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #27

lol. non-partisan. lol. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #8

Okay that's fine...Now, here's the thing Armstead Feb 2016 #11

I can understand that, but not why anyone would think that a candidate with no-- eridani Feb 2016 #14

I appreciate your thoughts, but I don't think Hillary has a chance in hell of beating the GOP. Vinca Feb 2016 #15

Now imagine someone who thought the same set of rationales made Kerry the "smarter" choice in '04 Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #16

Well, in 2008, I firmly believed that Obama was the more electable candidate. DanTex Feb 2016 #21

It is worth noting that Hillary Clinton has never won a national election, either. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #24

Well, that's true about everyone who wins the presidency. DanTex Feb 2016 #26

I would add that Bill Clinton did was running as the Liberal Altrnative to GHW Bush and the GOP Armstead Feb 2016 #22

I saw all four of them- Bill, Hillary, Al and Tipper- at a rally at the Daley Center in Chicago Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #25

Yes, in 1992 they spoke like liberals. I remember. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #55

And here is why this primary season reminds me of 2004. frustrated_lefty Feb 2016 #17

I think this is true too. rosesaylavee Feb 2016 #18

You know what would be better? A Quick Guide to Hillary Clinton's Stances on the Issues. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #34

Why should we believe you? Fronkonsteen Feb 2016 #35

Clinton supporters believe there is clear evidence that she is more electable. DanTex Feb 2016 #41

So it's faith based support Fronkonsteen Feb 2016 #46

Evidence-based. Apparently you look at the same evidence and come to a different conclusion. DanTex Feb 2016 #47

Really? Fronkonsteen Feb 2016 #74

You constantly tell us what Sanders supporters think AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #36

K&R mcar Feb 2016 #40

then that person would be wrong redruddyred Feb 2016 #42

I understand. We agree on all of the issues. thereismore Feb 2016 #52

That's pretty much it, and I don't take it as snarky. DanTex Feb 2016 #59

I agree DanTex! Well said. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #61

I like Sanders but I cannot support a candidate who can not win in the general election Gothmog Feb 2016 #53

What I'll never understand EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #56

Correct. The always right Bernie supporters rock Feb 2016 #57

Project much? Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #58

Your belief is contrafactual. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #65

HRC motivates the GOP base much more than she motivates the Dem base. Her high negatives tblue37 Feb 2016 #70

Here's what I believe about Clinton Matariki Feb 2016 #72