2016 Postmortem

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79. Why? Caucuses are party events, not government events. n/t

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Thu Feb 4, 2016, 08:22 AM

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Something smells in the Democratic Party [View all] Pryderi Feb 2016 OP

K&R nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #1

Legal action, "Remember the Alamo" or DNC. aspirant Feb 2016 #2

Once again we ask... why not be transparent? What could be wrong with verifying the results? tecelote Feb 2016 #3

It reeks of corruption and arrogance ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #5

Or maybe it's something else... like trying to protect reputations HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #57

If the purpose is reputation protection, it isn't working ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #80

Yes, all true, but that's also following basic forces of human nature. HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #92

Wow. Sure took chervilant Feb 2016 #100

Agree!! jham123 Feb 2016 #103

Agree NowSam Feb 2016 #104

Fundamentally, there is no way to verify anything since there were no paper ballots. pnwmom Feb 2016 #6

An inability to recount people is no reason to not be transparent about the work documents winter is coming Feb 2016 #65

Those work documents would prove NOTHING about the underlying pnwmom Feb 2016 #81

No, if you saw an apparent discrepancy, you'd go with the counts on your work documents, winter is coming Feb 2016 #84

The Bernie campaign has already said they're not pursuing this. pnwmom Feb 2016 #114

as Americans we have the right to oversee every phase of our elections questionseverything Feb 2016 #115

Actually not. That's another problem with caucuses. pnwmom Feb 2016 #117

i went to bed on caucus night with the party reporting 21-21 questionseverything Feb 2016 #118

21 - 21 was never an official final count. The AP explained why the final count was 23 to 21, pnwmom Feb 2016 #119

great...when the dem party of iowa shows us the numbers questionseverything Feb 2016 #120

You've heard all you're going to hear from the party. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #122

then they deserve to lose their first in the nation place questionseverything Feb 2016 #123

Totally agree. nt pnwmom Feb 2016 #124

Are you correct about there being no 'one person, one vote' in the Iowa caucauses? I think KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #97

Every tally was public with every standing in the room. brooklynite Feb 2016 #16

Then the Des Moines Register article has no merit? tecelote Feb 2016 #33

I don't dispute that the Sanders campaign is complaining... brooklynite Feb 2016 #35

Right? It isn't clear at all. RiverLover Feb 2016 #39

Show me the timepoint where the Sanders Precinct Captain complains... brooklynite Feb 2016 #47

Fox Resorts To Bogus "Voter Fraud" Claims To Downplay Clinton Caucus Victory workinclasszero Feb 2016 #61

So funny how anything said against Hillary is painted as a Right Wing Attack dorkzilla Feb 2016 #64

It is a RIGHT WING attack! workinclasszero Feb 2016 #69

I didn’t say you made it up, I said other outlets have shown that video dorkzilla Feb 2016 #73

Media Matters workinclasszero Feb 2016 #82

Ah, that's right, I question a source and I'm a Fox fangirl dorkzilla Feb 2016 #113

Any criticism of Clinton must come from the right? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #71

What would be the big deal to have everyone compare notes? dorkzilla Feb 2016 #41

Bernie would be the first one to say ... tecelote Feb 2016 #60

It's not an article. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #111

Exactly! What's wrong with verification of results. Any one think SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #54

All of this was supposed to be hashed out while the three campaigns were in the room pnwmom Feb 2016 #4

What's the harm? Fearless Feb 2016 #11

No harm. Just not possible. They voted with their feet, not with paper. pnwmom Feb 2016 #18

Still not seeing harm in seeing the data trail. Fearless Feb 2016 #125

You're assuming there's a data trail that exists. nt pnwmom Feb 2016 #127

There is actually. Fearless Feb 2016 #128

reason number 6,243 why caucuses suck. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #32

Absolutely. I don't know why anyone thought this one would be the exception. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #37

now going to see how many other states are caucus restorefreedom Feb 2016 #40

Right. How many wheelchairs did we see at that caucus? pnwmom Feb 2016 #43

seven more states plus dc. and no i saw no wheelchairs, restorefreedom Feb 2016 #46

I am dreading going to ours and my husband hates the idea even more pnwmom Feb 2016 #48

it seems that with primaries and the nom process, the repubs restorefreedom Feb 2016 #85

I'm surprised Uponthegears Feb 2016 #59

Why? Caucuses are party events, not government events. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #79

Sanders camp tried and the DNC rep brushed them off and told them to bring it up later. kristopher Feb 2016 #77

Of course wyldwolf Feb 2016 #7

no... smiley Feb 2016 #12

Kick peacebird Feb 2016 #8

There are no ballots to count, nothing to support. pnwmom Feb 2016 #38

...and counts for very little in the long run. eom Blanks Feb 2016 #51

Agreed. Dems let two elections get stolen. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #93

Every time this was brought up at DU we are told that is the way the caucus cookie crumbles. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #9

And what about this? pnwmom Feb 2016 #19

How does this refute my observations? The party refused to examine the record which you insist Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #30

This: chervilant Feb 2016 #56

I agree MissDeeds Feb 2016 #83

Whatever will we do here with my county's iVotronics machines? MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #10

I was more worried about the primary voting states because Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #13

And THIS is just the start of the primaries. It's going to get uglier. nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #24

I fully expected this bullshit. Anywhere the polls are close enough there will be subterfuge. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #14

Dug in her heals and said NO makes me want to scream YES madokie Feb 2016 #15

This. I was actually naive enough to accept the results with a few minor quibbles. Stuff happens, I Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #21

Yup me too madokie Feb 2016 #31

YES! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #62

Video cameras are in everyone's hands now, everything gets digitally recorded Fumesucker Feb 2016 #17

Agreed 100%!!!!! newfie11 Feb 2016 #29

The Clinton entourage skedaddling off tight lipped to New Hampshire now makes a bit more sense Fumesucker Feb 2016 #20

It stinks to high heaven when they refuse transparency. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #22

. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #23

Hillarious. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #28

What's so damn funny? SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #74

Omg! newfie11 Feb 2016 #25

And what is happening with the investigation about Helen Borg Feb 2016 #26

Seems more likely to me that ... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #27

has the hillary campaign considered restorefreedom Feb 2016 #34

FYI. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #49

oh brother. thx for posting. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #87

Lordy Them Violating Insinuations Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #96

i will grab the smelling salts lol! nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #98

You can't verify head-counting movable heads. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #50

i read somewhere that the party head at each location restorefreedom Feb 2016 #89

+1. It's what happened the first time Al Franken was elected to the Senate. winter is coming Feb 2016 #55

anything could happen, and since hillary was clearly restorefreedom Feb 2016 #88

If there are inconsistencies & the Iowa DNC won't look into the problem, you have to wonder RiverLover Feb 2016 #36

Maybe Ma & Pa Kettle can help with the counting ... :-P NurseJackie Feb 2016 #42

That's strange since the Sanders campaign announced they weren't going to dispute pnwmom Feb 2016 #44

Iowa must be one Effed Up state. Remember Romney won, then Santorum? Perhaps IA Dems no better! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #45

Don't mock them, they at least use paper ballots. Unlike the Dems, pnwmom Feb 2016 #52

Par for the sorry Sanders course Politicub Feb 2016 #53

Concede Florida Al Fumesucker Feb 2016 #63

It's no different Politicub Feb 2016 #109

+1 stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #86

"HRC 2016" is McGuire's license plate Sienna86 Feb 2016 #58

You bet your sweet bippy it does.. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #70

I think it does. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #78

Oww, Debbie just can't help herself can she? She can only help Hillary. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #66

Is is very dishonest of Bernie and his campaign to imply the results can be verified. Nitram Feb 2016 #67

It's very dishonest to claim that's what they're looking for, when they clearly state that winter is coming Feb 2016 #75

They need to be transparent unless they want an exodus from the party. Vinca Feb 2016 #68

Maybe that's what Debbie wants? eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #72

I think the Sanders campaign should move on mountain grammy Feb 2016 #76

Maybe Sanders shouldn't have used his own software. randome Feb 2016 #90

Maybe he does have buggy software. Or maybe the state does. Or both do. winter is coming Feb 2016 #91

I understand why recounts are approached with caution, though. randome Feb 2016 #94

Given the razor-thin margin, I think a recount should be done, because winter is coming Feb 2016 #102

AGAIN, file a lawsuit. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #95

I agree. /nt RiverLover Feb 2016 #108

Come on UglyGreed Feb 2016 #99

"NO" = "Afraid of examination overturning a too close to count caucus" NowSam Feb 2016 #101

Ridiculous, if this was a stolen election it would have been by a much wider margin. Pisces Feb 2016 #105

The Des Moines Register endorsed Hillary, so if they're calling for a recount, that should carry Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #106

Good points.... KoKo Feb 2016 #107

I'm smelling a damn good chance... NCTraveler Feb 2016 #110

Opinion pieces touted as fact. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #112

There was a time Democrats supported open and FAIR elections. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #116

H looks like she knows she lost RobertEarl Feb 2016 #121

I think Clinton cheated and I think Dr. McGuire helped her do it. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #126