2016 Postmortem

uponit7771

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3. I've mentioned before that the Sanders team is endearing Clinton to the others because of

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:47 AM

Feb 2016

... their condescending responses to her.

We'll know after SC... but to some degree it sounds like the tone of his campaign is turning off 4 of the five parts of the Obama coallition

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It seems to really bother people when women just mention [View all] boston bean Feb 2016 OP

I see what you mean but thereismore Feb 2016 #1

It's always the same response. Beacool Feb 2016 #2

I guarantee we will . . . just not this one. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #4

And I guarantee that the next president won't be the "Democratic Socialist". Beacool Feb 2016 #10

And we could go around on both scores all day long. Would you settle for an "agree to disagree?" Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #13

further supporting the point of the OP DrDan Feb 2016 #71

I've mentioned before that the Sanders team is endearing Clinton to the others because of uponit7771 Feb 2016 #3

Yes. Clinton and her supporters are all persecuted victims of "tone". mhatrw Feb 2016 #31

Not just tone, shit... I wish it was just tone... No, it's the minimizing of her 11 out of 50 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Feb 2016 #48

No one has said that, and she IS the establishment in the Democratic Party Fearless Feb 2016 #5

She's tried in the past.... TipTok Feb 2016 #77

True, didn't make it accurate though Fearless Feb 2016 #79

How ironic for Hillary Clinton to whine about being locked out of the "establishment" tularetom Feb 2016 #6

There has been a woman president? boston bean Feb 2016 #7

The establishment is about power, it is only secondarily about gender. She used gender to dodge the JudyM Feb 2016 #8

Uh huh. Says you. I disagree. I see a bias and a ceiling due to gender. boston bean Feb 2016 #12

You don't think she is part of DC establishment politics? JudyM Feb 2016 #16

You don't think she faces bias, sexism due to he sex? boston bean Feb 2016 #19

That is a separate issue, and yes is my answer. JudyM Feb 2016 #21

It is not separate. boston bean Feb 2016 #24

Sorry to see that you don't acknowledge that the most powerful woman in the country is part of JudyM Feb 2016 #32

Bernie Sanders is a member of the same Establishment he criticizes Clinton and her endorses of Empowerer Feb 2016 #62

Sure, he is employed in the establishment, but his views are decidedly independent. He is anti-estab JudyM Feb 2016 #65

He doesn't determine membership in the "Establishment" but the views held by the individuals he's Empowerer Feb 2016 #67

LOL. Literally. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #66

people who marginalize the others minimize their oppression to. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #39

Gender is power, no secondarily about it Hekate Feb 2016 #74

Forget it, it's impossible to argue with someone so irony-deprived tularetom Feb 2016 #9

You think "the establishment" consists of only people that have been President? n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #11

Actually, no I don't. boston bean Feb 2016 #15

Has there been a Jew??? catnhatnh Feb 2016 #18

Bernie Sanders is a long-standing charter member of one of the most exclusive clubs in the country Empowerer Feb 2016 #63

So to get a women president gabeana Feb 2016 #27

Please list how many women presidents have we had in this country? Beacool Feb 2016 #14

"The establishment" does not consist of only people that have become President. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #17

Please inform me how only presidents can be part of the "establishment" tularetom Feb 2016 #20

In a presidential race a woman is inherently not part of the establishment because Beacool Feb 2016 #29

Nah, you're still saying the same thing tularetom Feb 2016 #37

It means that in a presidential election a woman is in a different position from the rest Beacool Feb 2016 #41

Everything you said in that post is true, but tularetom Feb 2016 #44

You too. Beacool Feb 2016 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #22

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #23

Count me as a woman who is offended when Clinton mentions her gender as a reason to vote ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #25

Thats not what happened though. boston bean Feb 2016 #30

My recollection is that is exactly what she did tonight. nt slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #33

It's a wrong recollection. boston bean Feb 2016 #35

She plays the gender card when convenient and I find that offensive. nt slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #36

Nah. boston bean Feb 2016 #40

We disagree and leave it at that, yes it bothers me when she plays the gender card. nt slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #42

Yes, she does. And so do her supporters. cui bono Feb 2016 #46

Guess I am an old school feminist, I hate when she plays on her gender to get votes ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #50

Yep. cui bono Feb 2016 #51

No, it's not. And it's an insult to and setback for the women's movement. n/t cui bono Feb 2016 #47

Yes. Considering Clinton a member of the establishment and a woman is SEXIST!!! mhatrw Feb 2016 #26

You might enjoy this article: kath Feb 2016 #81

Thanks. I had not seen that. nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #82

Please don't confuse "women" with Secretary Clinton. Thank you. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #28

Similar to when people get furious about discussions of racism BainsBane Feb 2016 #34

Exactly!! Beacool Feb 2016 #43

^^^^^THIS^^^^^ Hekate Feb 2016 #75

It is bothersome to this feminist when it is used as an excuse, when it is done in such a way as to cui bono Feb 2016 #45

Thank you! The whole goal of the feminist movement was to move away from gender. jillan Feb 2016 #86

And what is most disturbing is that the most vocal, staunch, supposed feminists on DU cui bono Feb 2016 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #89

Exacltly! nt slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #91

At $250k per hour Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #52

Privilege? I don't know what was dropped in her lap. And she suffers with comparison to bettyellen Feb 2016 #53

Yeah, poor Hillary Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #54

The Clintons are both extremely talented. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #58

It's also absurd to claim that Sander is not a member of the Establishment Empowerer Feb 2016 #64

Your claim is absurd. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #68

Three hours later and the crickets have moved in. GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #73

A few months ago... MrWendel Feb 2016 #55

Elizabeth Warren? THAT Warren? The same Warren from whom they ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #56

I can't help but wonder what these posts would look like if Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #57

Not surprising though. ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #59

K&R mcar Feb 2016 #60

Of course it does. Women have ALWAYS been charter members of the Establishment Empowerer Feb 2016 #61

She has done this SO many times. Like a crutch. She wants to run the military closeupready Feb 2016 #69

You made up stuff --then believe in your myths. riversedge Feb 2016 #70

Whine, whine, whine - just like Ann Romney. Has ZERO closeupready Feb 2016 #72

Warren Buffett advocates that the rich pay their fair share of taxes emulatorloo Feb 2016 #78

If you get paid $675,000 to give three speeches to Goldman Sachs, it's safe to say ... RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #76

Women have been historically locked out of the power of the establishment. cyberswede Feb 2016 #80

Locked out? If that's the case, why does Hillary describe the 90's with "WE"? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #83

Hillary is no friend to working class women. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #84

Huh? Where have you seen that? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #85

Yes women have been locked out of the power of the establishment. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #88

Are you guys going to campaign the rest of the primaries solely on smears and the sexism charge? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #90