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In reply to the discussion: A slightly more nuanced take on whether Hillary Clinton is "establishment" [View all]onehandle
(51,122 posts)116. You're in luck! Neither Bill Clinton nor Barack Obama are running for President. nt
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A slightly more nuanced take on whether Hillary Clinton is "establishment" [View all]
Skinner
Feb 2016
OP
With all due respect, she served on Walmart's Board of Directors for six years.
closeupready
Feb 2016
#1
Not true. There are countries, like Switzerland, who have universal coverage but not single payer.
SunSeeker
Feb 2016
#84
this was a beautiful capsule of necessary and abiding truth <3 thank u for propagating wisdom
ElliotCarver
Feb 2016
#144
Okay ... you lost me ... well ... at the start; but, this post has me gone.
1StrongBlackMan
Feb 2016
#153
How about something more relevant to the time period that she was actually on the board?
Lucinda
Feb 2016
#66
Everyone has "pros" and "cons" in their lives - everyone. Unfortunately some of Sanders'....
George II
Feb 2016
#157
She served on Walmart's Board of Directors from 1986 to 1992 - she started...
George II
Feb 2016
#76
It's like saying "Congress is corrupt so Sanders is wrong for joining it."
NYC Liberal
Feb 2016
#161
But that doesn't matter because walmart was anti-union ... or something.
1StrongBlackMan
Feb 2016
#155
Each voter should decide for themselves - they should know how Walmart helped her
closeupready
Feb 2016
#140
If Elizabeth Warren had jumped into the race before Sanders, she'd be right where he is.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Feb 2016
#2
I think that Elizabeth Warren would make a fine president and presdential candiate.
Skinner
Feb 2016
#6
If the 'Not Hillary' Party had gotten their 1st choice, Warren, she'd be doing much better...
onehandle
Feb 2016
#91
+1. Even a woman - with a trail of apparent conflicts of interest and decisions that appear to be
JudyM
Feb 2016
#16
Resumes often don't capture whether the candidate is actually good or bad at the job.
leveymg
Feb 2016
#8
Which stains 99% of other progressive who've worked there asses off for progressive causes
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#22
Saying the 1st female president, practically by definition, will have to be establishement...
thesquanderer
Feb 2016
#12
Backwards in high heels, more of us get it than you give us credit for perhaps?
Fumesucker
Feb 2016
#13
I suppose you're talking about queens of England. Not Prime Ministers who now hold the power.
hedda_foil
Feb 2016
#79
The thing that Hillary supporters don't get about the majority of women is that just because Hillary
jillan
Feb 2016
#17
Sanders is pure and everyone else is stained, that's a central point of his campaign...
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#20
This is well thought out, no question. But it seems that you are, in effect, giving her a pass on
JudyM
Feb 2016
#21
Which when called out on which decisions these were Sanders changes the subject every
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#23
There are well publicized examples of evidence. He should be naming them but for whatever
JudyM
Feb 2016
#28
Choosing to play ball because she has to is one thing; choosing to personally enrich herself by
JudyM
Feb 2016
#38
I do not think Hillary Clinton is any more compromised than anyone else who has become president...
Skinner
Feb 2016
#41
She has absolutely been unfairly dragged through the mud and vilified by the Conservative machine.
JudyM
Feb 2016
#54
Well, if you're going to be as bold as to say it, why not find that "somewhere". Otherwise.....
George II
Feb 2016
#172
She DOES have all the advantages that money can buy, and speaking as woman from where
onecaliberal
Feb 2016
#30
Every serious candidate for president enjoys ALOT more advantages than 99% of this country.
Skinner
Feb 2016
#35
I don't penalize her for it whatsoever. I do, however,hold her accountable for championing corporate
onecaliberal
Feb 2016
#110
I remember how much, how deeply all republicans hated her when she was First Lady.
Jackie Wilson Said
Feb 2016
#32
Hang in there, Skinner. I'm doing this piecemeal. I don't expect rapid response
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Feb 2016
#39
OK my friend. I have completed my counter argument. It won't disappoint
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Feb 2016
#53
I haven't had that conversation with Elizabeth. When I do, I'll post about it at DU
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Feb 2016
#111
You're creating an argument based on something you wish I had said? People let you get away...
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Feb 2016
#159
News to you and your wife and her friends and everyone your circle has ever spoken to
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Feb 2016
#171
I don't penalize her for the titles on her resume. I penalize her for how she conducts herself
TwilightGardener
Feb 2016
#50
To be honest I think Bernie tosses aorund the term Establishment too loosely, BUT
Armstead
Feb 2016
#65
Hillary supporters bragged about her support by the establishment until it became an issue.
Spitfire of ATJ
Feb 2016
#71
once we had a president who was the first to not pander to the WASPs--his religion was even
MisterP
Feb 2016
#74
You place too much faith in Elizabeth Warren's hair style when you say there is no way a socialist
Attorney in Texas
Feb 2016
#78
Neither of us wants to head down a slippery slope of pointing out well loved female public figures
Attorney in Texas
Feb 2016
#95
One reason (not the predominant reason, but a reason) why I support Sanders is that - win or lose -
Attorney in Texas
Feb 2016
#120
Skinner, words have meaning. It's cringeworthy for Clinton to say she can't be the establishment...
uhnope
Feb 2016
#98
so re Rich-White-Male-Protestant-WallStreet-ProWar-FreeMarketCapitalist-Political-Elite
uhnope
Feb 2016
#115
I guess in her purposely narrow frame (establishment = male presidents)
whatchamacallit
Feb 2016
#163
You're in luck! Neither Bill Clinton nor Barack Obama are running for President. nt
onehandle
Feb 2016
#116
Truly one of the strangest and most misguided things I've ever read in the more than 10 years I've
AzDar
Feb 2016
#124
I believe the examples of both Bernie and Elizabeth Warren eviscerate your argument.
Admiral Loinpresser
Feb 2016
#146
Establishment politics in the context of the US is defined by who receives corporate money.
Jefferson23
Feb 2016
#148
Tell ya what, you name them, and I will explain how no matter what they gave
Jefferson23
Feb 2016
#154
Skinner - this is, hands down the best piece I've ever read on DU in the time I've been here
Empowerer
Feb 2016
#160
I wonder, if Elizabeth Warren had "Albert Einstein hair" and called herself a Democratic Socialist
Matariki
Feb 2016
#166
Skinner, apart from her gender, I genuinely would love to her your other reasons
Matariki
Feb 2016
#167
I think that Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate running for POTUS
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#170
Secretary of State is the Top of The Heap. Any Man Would be Thrilled to end his political career
Hiraeth
Feb 2016
#173
Kick. (Wish I could share links to DU as I used to but can't, too embarrassing)
betsuni
Feb 2016
#185
Now I'll have to reconsider Margaret Thatcher as anti-establishment if I agree with your OP
aikoaiko
Feb 2016
#190