2016 Postmortem

SheilaT

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42. I am 67, and I want you to know that the lie about Social Security

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:31 PM

Feb 2016

going away has been around for at least 40 years. Back then, I recall too many of my age mates saying that it wouldn't be around for them. They were wrong then, and I want you and everyone else to hold to that idea.

If anyone tries to cut Social Security we need to have rioting in the streets.

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�Hillary Clinton Refuses to Rule Out Any and All Benefit Cuts to Social Security� [View all] FreakinDJ Feb 2016 OP

Her only saving grace is that the GOP wil do worse. dogman Feb 2016 #1

No, they won't. jeff47 Feb 2016 #4

Clinton hasn�t put forward a Social Security plan FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #9

Not a complete plan, but she has proposed means-testing. Step 1 towards killing it. jeff47 Feb 2016 #13

Heck, I'm turning 60 and I'm afraid it's going to be gone or nearly 1monster Feb 2016 #31

I am 67, and I want you to know that the lie about Social Security SheilaT Feb 2016 #42

Without my SS and MC my safeinOhio Feb 2016 #57

Absolutely. I am actually one for whom my SS SheilaT Feb 2016 #71

About half of mine. n/t safeinOhio Feb 2016 #74

I'm much worse off. Good thing I live in the wilds of Ohio where living is relatively cheap. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #101

Due to some bad timing (not my fault, it is just the way things worked out) Stonepounder Feb 2016 #151

W/O my SS and MC I will be living on the street Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #147

I agree. Pay back the $1.3 trillion borrowed to pay for the Iraq war and then end the cap emsimon33 Feb 2016 #78

I'm 63 and looking forward to retiring in 1-1/2 years. lark Feb 2016 #134

they have already cut it roomtomove Feb 2016 #137

Yup! Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #158

that's a lie and you know it..n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #66

No, no it's not. TiberiusB Feb 2016 #138

Hilary supporters are not too fond of the Truth these days FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #141

Means testing is the mechanism through which they plan to end Social Security. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #99

^^^ THIS! ^^^ RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #17

Yeah, we had to cut it in order to save it BUT DON'T WORRY--- Hoppy Feb 2016 #53

Brilliant synopsis of how we got... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Feb 2016 #69

I don't know how much more love we can stand from our elected Democrats. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #104

Who said it would insulate then from from criticism in there own party? Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #75

Good for you. And so will I. RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #83

If I can survive being called a "racist" for opposing Obama's version of Bush's NSA spying Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #88

I have been vaccinatd too, in 2008. bvar22 Feb 2016 #156

Once law it's too late. We can scream until our face turns red but it will do no good. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #106

Oh, ye of little faith Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #145

And pass free trade agreements. yourout Feb 2016 #54

The did in 1986. yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #62

I agree that only a Democrat can successfully cut Social Security. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #100

So frigging true!! pocoloco Feb 2016 #130

Yes, they very well would. lark Feb 2016 #133

HRC has flaws, but at least she won't destroy us. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #149

Go ahead and don't vote if Bernie isn't the general candidate. lark Feb 2016 #159

Yup, it's the old "only Nixon could go to China" thing. totodeinhere Feb 2016 #152

She is clearly running a general election, BUT yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #61

Not true! If a Republican tried this there would be blood in the streets. emsimon33 Feb 2016 #77

They have puppet Democrats in abundance already. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #109

Wrong! lark Feb 2016 #136

Fancy Feast vs. Friskies Wig Master Feb 2016 #89

she's over if this is so. third rail in politics. what a cluster f this is. roguevalley Feb 2016 #2

She will allow Ryan to cut benifits FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #6

That will certainly be the excuse. It's always the Republicans fault. The Democrats never take liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #23

Her supporters will be fine with it. They don't worry about policy, just idol worship. cui bono Feb 2016 #72

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #112

She can reliably sell means testing, "Hey, why should Donald Trump receive Social Security?" Enthusiast Feb 2016 #110

That'll hurt her with the 60+ vote. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #3

Good point. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #18

agree Go Vols Feb 2016 #132

There she goes again.... CAN'T rule it out! reformist2 Feb 2016 #5

What is a Hillary promise worth? Still... tecelote Feb 2016 #7

Bupkis. El zilcho. hifiguy Feb 2016 #48

human greed and ignorance will kill this planet olddots Feb 2016 #8

Obama was willing to do it for the "Grand Bargain" - so why would we expect different from HRC? Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #10

EXACTLY ... FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #11

her bankster sponsors are salivating! she will accomplish yet another Bush agenda amborin Feb 2016 #12

She won't be bought! Goldman Sachs' CEO LLLoyd Blankfein does math kristopher Feb 2016 #41

Pay heed to the puppetmaster's words. hifiguy Feb 2016 #46

Well at least he demonstrated with geometric logic how it is unsustainable! kristopher Feb 2016 #55

The poor living too long is a porblem for the rich Loudestlib Feb 2016 #58

And they aim to do something hifiguy Feb 2016 #63

Lifespans are going down for several segments of society. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #114

I'm 60. I've worked for 52 years since I was 8. I'm retired and still working. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2016 #161

I will not vote for anyone who will cut SS. To quote Hill - never, ever! CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #14

Neither will I. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #20

Hillary has a position on Social Security, want to raise the FICA rate on the Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #15

Then why won't she pledge NOT to CUT Social Security FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #16

Disingenuous, oh really. She did issue her stand on the issues, did you find anything Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #19

Then WHY doesn't she take the pledge FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #21

She has already given her word, why would your demand for a pledge Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #22

.... FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #24

Checked on your committee, doubt she is interested in making a pledge Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #25

Of course not - Its a PROGRESSIVE Committee FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #28

There you go. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #36

Her words aren't worth a hill of fertilizer. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #26

BINGO!!!!!!! Bohunk68 Feb 2016 #51

Her words aren't worth hifiguy Feb 2016 #43

I feel the same about others also. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #45

Ummm, what? TiberiusB Feb 2016 #157

How about getting Bernie to pledge not to repeal ACA, not to even continue to say Medicare for all? Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #160

Except Bernie isn't calling for a repeal of the ACA. TiberiusB Feb 2016 #165

He wants Medicare for All, why do we need two health care systems? Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #166

We already currently have four health care systems, at least TiberiusB Feb 2016 #167

The thing is if you ask her to commit to not cutting SS, she stutters and stammers. She says things rhett o rick Feb 2016 #94

That's the biggest bunch of rhetoric yet. "Security for future generations by asking the wealthiest rhett o rick Feb 2016 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2016 #27

During all 5 debates, I was hoping for a Chained CPI question. Never was one. NT Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #29

I was thinking the same thing, earlier today Oilwellian Feb 2016 #73

The corporate media knows not to ask such a question. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #86

They are protecting her. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #115

No question. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #128

Yeah, Hillary Clinton is such a real progressive Don Draper Feb 2016 #30

Wow. zentrum Feb 2016 #32

cutting social security is theft PatrynXX Feb 2016 #33

Huge +1! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #116

PRAGMATISM IN ACTION! Indepatriot Feb 2016 #34

The sorry part about this is that SS could be expanded rather than reduced if the cap was raised. Vinca Feb 2016 #35

It will be NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #60

And who do you think is most likely to... AlbertCat Feb 2016 #80

The money is still there. It's in bonds, BUT NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #85

She'll brag about the tax cuts she got in return. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #37

Bernie wants to expand SS benefits and Hillary won't promise not to cut it. Broward Feb 2016 #38

Lift the fucking cap and the problem is solved, but there again is a clear demonstration onecaliberal Feb 2016 #39

She is obviously not on our side. She is in the pockets of the 1% emsimon33 Feb 2016 #81

She is 1%. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #118

May her seeming political death wish hifiguy Feb 2016 #40

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #119

Ooh! Ooh! I got this one: "Berniebros! Misogyny! Entitled Millennials, Everyone gets a trophy!" Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #44

If I needed the 101st reason not to vote for Hillary, this is it...unless Bernie doesn't make downeastdaniel Feb 2016 #47

She may have just sealed her fate. yourout Feb 2016 #49

It doesn't matter what Clinton says or does not say sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #50

You win the internet today. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #121

TOAST! in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #52

wait what? w0nderer Feb 2016 #56

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #59

I can't imagine ANY Walmart Board Member giving a whit about Social Security!!! wolfie001 Feb 2016 #64

Why pressure HRC to make a promise she won't keep? ReallyIAmAnOptimist Feb 2016 #65

She is the Best Corporatist Candidate the Koch Bros could ever hope for. INdemo Feb 2016 #67

This pisses me off like no other. The living end. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #68

A 1%'er who doesn't want to raise the minimum wage to $15 and won't pledge to not cut SS... AzDar Feb 2016 #70

Well she wants to follow in Obamas footsteps and he cut it three times. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #76

Good point. She seems determined to continue all the bad things Obama has done & none of the good emsimon33 Feb 2016 #82

And Hillary supports wonder why so many of us may just stay home next November! emsimon33 Feb 2016 #79

No wonder she has lost 30 points to Bernie in the newest poll. emsimon33 Feb 2016 #84

She needs to rule out an increase in retirement age and chained CPI in clear language. pa28 Feb 2016 #87

Saw your two posts on this... AOR Feb 2016 #90

Actually that is not true, Progressive dog Feb 2016 #91

She Flip Flops on the issue - and she won't commit to Not Cutting Benefits FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #92

I have to conclude she will cut SS Bernblu Feb 2016 #95

You might want to read the article. She explicitly states she will not cut SS benefits. Squinch Feb 2016 #120

153 recs for a demonstrably false claim BainsBane Feb 2016 #96

Devil is in the Details FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #97

link and quote her saying that.... not just some made up crap or conjecture but her own words uponit7771 Feb 2016 #103

Do your own homework FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #108

Expanding Social Security "for those who need it" is means testing, period eridani Feb 2016 #98

yeap...bold faced lies at this point... thats all they got uponit7771 Feb 2016 #102

The intellectual level of "the new DU" is revealed. Squinch Feb 2016 #117

If that is her position, it might be a good saltpoint Feb 2016 #105

The wife of the man who bragged about having ended "welfare as we know it" won't pledge not to end merrily Feb 2016 #107

She's got her $Millions so she is not worried about retirement FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #111

She was heavily favored but is now in saltpoint Feb 2016 #113

Her position on Social Security heavily favored women voters FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #123

Yes, and don't get me started on Paul Ryan. saltpoint Feb 2016 #124

Calculated Risk I suppose FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #125

I'm wondering if she might want to saltpoint Feb 2016 #126

SHe wants to save Social Security by destroying it Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #122

Hill'$ Wall Street/banker BFFs jone$ing to privatize social security Divernan Feb 2016 #127

I live on less than 20k a year between SS and what I earn dyeing fabric... marble falls Feb 2016 #129

I've said it over and over, HRC = Obama. lark Feb 2016 #131

Trust. SoapBox Feb 2016 #135

ABCs FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #139

Hillary Clinton is to progressive philosophy... 99Forever Feb 2016 #140

My 85 year old mother & my deceased father had their social security cut......... mrmpa Feb 2016 #142

Hillary is becoming more awful every day. jalan48 Feb 2016 #143

Regardless Old Codger Feb 2016 #144

The risky solution PATRICK Feb 2016 #146

It's curious and puzzling, yet telling Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #154

F*** Hillary! avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #148

Kick nt Logical Feb 2016 #150

oh but but but DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #153

Hmm. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #155

THIS is what Goldman Sachs pays her for. nt Romulox Feb 2016 #162

F'n scary proposition to me. I have confidence in Bernie's plan. nt silvershadow Feb 2016 #163

Calling all Hillary supporters ... SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #164