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Gothmog

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68. Krugman- Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

The cost savings are speculative at best and are on the same level as the GOP's claims of increased income due to tax cuts. I trust Prof. Krugman on this http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/weakened-at-bernies/?_r=0


On health care: leave on one side the virtual impossibility of achieving single-payer. Beyond the politics, the Sanders “plan” isn’t just lacking in detail; as Ezra Klein notes, it both promises more comprehensive coverage than Medicare or for that matter single-payer systems in other countries, and assumes huge cost savings that are at best unlikely given that kind of generosity. This lets Sanders claim that he could make it work with much lower middle-class taxes than would probably be needed in practice.

To be harsh but accurate: the Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan, which relies on fantasies about huge supply-side effects to make the numbers supposedly add up. Only a little bit: after all, this is a plan seeking to provide health care, not lavish windfalls on the rich — and single-payer really does save money, whereas there’s no evidence that tax cuts deliver growth. Still, it’s not the kind of brave truth-telling the Sanders campaign pitch might have led you to expect.

Again, as noted by Prof. Krugman this plan does not add up.
Truth-telling is truly a danger. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #1
Eighty five percent to pay for Sanders agenda, my health care premiums are lower. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #26
Yes, tell us how life is just.... daleanime Feb 2016 #31
What is this 85% you're talking about? I don't know what that figure refers to. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #43
Eighty five percent paid in taxes to cover the cost of Sanders agenda. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #47
So why use a figure you know is wrong? thesquanderer Feb 2016 #48
Yes, I wondered why Sanders used a figure which was wrong. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #49
What figure, and when did he use it? (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #50
Here Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #52
I don't follow you. When did Sanders use a figure inconsistent with that document? (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #55
You're either buying McCaskill's laughable insinuations or thinking of Eisenhower, or both. merrily Feb 2016 #58
You ought to be embarrassed about that claim. To the extent that you had any credibility, Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #76
Do you think Sanders is embarrased about his figures? Credibility about his figures? Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #78
Sanders' figures are fine, and credible. Your figure is apparently fictional. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #80
So is Sanders figures, with Sanders figures the debt will increase. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #82
taxfoundation.org is a right-leaning group thesquanderer Feb 2016 #83
FEAR - The Clinton people are Selling FEAR every chance they get Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #39
more like telling hard truths ericson00 Feb 2016 #88
"THe Power of Nightmares" Selling Fear through delusion Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #89
fear, feaR, feAR, fEAR, FEAR! Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #2
A lot of people are AFRAID of higher taxes. MADem Feb 2016 #22
Wow. Fearing taxes and welfare queens? I've only ever heard such comments from republicons. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #28
Maybe you should--since you apparently know so much about the place. MADem Feb 2016 #34
I will gladly pay an increase in taxes that is less than my health care costs Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #29
Eighty five percent is much higher than my health insurance. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #32
But it won't be ... MADem Feb 2016 #33
Mondale was going to lose anyway Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #3
but if Mondale made the party look worse and get blown out, ericson00 Feb 2016 #5
So would Gary Hart keeping it in his pants mythology Feb 2016 #8
Monkey Business was in 1988 ericson00 Feb 2016 #10
There was dissent against Reagan as evidenced by the 1986 Senate elections Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #11
30 plus years ago. artislife Feb 2016 #45
LOL! Spin! Carter and Mondale, two centrists from a failed administration, lost to Reagan. merrily Feb 2016 #54
+1 Thank you. merrily Feb 2016 #53
GD-P K&R I think. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #4
Look at her favorability with independents in these polls.. Armymedic88 Feb 2016 #6
Yawn mindem Feb 2016 #7
NO no no !!!! Sanders has revolution that is what makes him different than Mondale !!! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #9
Did you completely fucking ignore the part where he said he'd eliminate health ins. premiums??? yodermon Feb 2016 #12
the easy GOP ads don't care about such things ericson00 Feb 2016 #14
right and the GOP ads will just treat Hillary with the respect she deserves, got it n/t yodermon Feb 2016 #15
elections are won/lost on policy attacks ericson00 Feb 2016 #16
Yeah, they'll cover all that in the GOP oppo ad...NOT. MADem Feb 2016 #23
If he can't eliminate them, the taxes don't go up. Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #30
Please don't play stupid. All politicians talk about their respective plans that way. yodermon Feb 2016 #35
Campaigning on obvious impossibilities is a weakness. MADem Feb 2016 #42
Do you asuhornets Feb 2016 #57
Anybody got a copy of the famous No New Taxes promise from George the First? mikehiggins Feb 2016 #13
*yawn* frylock Feb 2016 #17
Except for the actual states, that map looks like the Clinton/Sanders map - Sanders will win... George II Feb 2016 #18
Who needs republican attacks when #teamHillary will do it for them. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #19
It's not a "Republican attack" when you can't tell us how Bernie will give you health care, all by MADem Feb 2016 #24
As I said in another thread, the only choices are to Try or to Give Up. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #46
You want to gloss over Old Codger Feb 2016 #20
"We will raise taxes, yes, we will!" MADem Feb 2016 #21
Kick treestar Feb 2016 #25
If the US doesn't want to fix its problems than Death is assured? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #27
Raising taxes worked great for President Mondale Gothmog Feb 2016 #36
False equivalency. Mondale never promised to lower costs. And raising taxes did work for Obama. merrily Feb 2016 #60
Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Feb 2016 #62
Nope. Glad you got that. It isn't only facile, false centrist memes about past elections, either. merrily Feb 2016 #64
Why single payer died in Vermont Gothmog Feb 2016 #67
Again, a different point entirely than the one you tried to make in Reply 36. You're flailing. merrily Feb 2016 #70
Read the article-the Vermont plan failed due to the needed massive tax increases Gothmog Feb 2016 #74
Krugman- Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan Gothmog Feb 2016 #68
That is a different point entirely from the one you tried to make in Reply 36. merrily Feb 2016 #69
No, I was responding to your claim of supposed cost savings Gothmog Feb 2016 #72
I don't want to be part of any party not willing to discuss taxes. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #37
Exactly!! you can add a bunch of other free ad material given to the GOP media machine by Sanders Persondem Feb 2016 #38
bump nt Persondem Feb 2016 #65
I met Mondale once. cyberswede Feb 2016 #40
Oh no, if we're honest we might hand the oligarchy back to the republicans! whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #41
We're not running against a popular incumbent, among other things. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #44
Raise your taxes a little, lower your costs a lot. Obama did it. It's not rocket science. merrily Feb 2016 #51
Mondale lost because he had the charisma of month-old lutefisk Ken Burch Feb 2016 #56
I did a lot of research on this because I was so tired of the center right memes. merrily Feb 2016 #61
Low energy guy? Octafish Feb 2016 #59
Reagan is dead. So is Michael Jackson. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #63
Disagreeing with disasterous GOP talking points/policy is 'dangerous'? AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #66
He was running against Reagan gyroscope Feb 2016 #71
So you ignore polling data from today that shows Sanders beating KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #73
Yes they do ignore any poll that doesn't favour their Chosen One. 99Forever Feb 2016 #75
Careful! Avoid the danger. HassleCat Feb 2016 #77
there is a huge difference between ericson00 Feb 2016 #84
@OP - EXACTLY! That's exactly what I was thinking. n/t OhZone Feb 2016 #79
This meme needs to spread all over the internet ericson00 Feb 2016 #85
Thankfully, Reagan Democrats are mostly dead. GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #81
I know! That was a fatal mistake! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #86
I hope New Hampshirites don't enable such a mistake again! ericson00 Feb 2016 #87
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