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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I don't fucking care how much they paid her. [View all]CincyDem
(6,338 posts)64. Probably is a tool
Couple points...
1) this isn't "that much money". If they paid her 200k for a speaking gig it was at a conference where they probably paid 300k for the food, 350k for the liquor, and 100k for the exclusive use of a nearby country club golf course for the day. To Goldman, trying to buy influence for 200k is like you or me trying to buy it for 3 cents. Chump change.
2) they don't buy their influence in public. I am absolutely SURE that they buy influence but they do it with big dollars and they do it in private. They didn't get where they are by making deals in the cold light of day where you, me, anyone could scrutinize them. They have taken secrecy to a whole new level.
3) as I think the OP said in this, if they offered me 200k for 30 minutes work, I'd take it everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. To da' man with 200k in his hand let me say "use me up". lol. Seriously, if there's anyone out there who wants me to give a speech about what it's like to live on <50k a year these days, let me know and I'll forward you the name of my booking agent (Ms. CincyDem).
I'm not trying to be glib about the issue but I think Bernie is barking up the wrong tree here and he's getting traction on a topic that doesn't take him where we need to go.
Stay focused on the ease with which she sends young Americans - some of whom might have been our future great leaders - she votes to send them out to die in the sand to support American nationalism and oil interests.
Stay focused on the ease with which she "reframes" her position as easily as virtually every politician in America today when the circumstances require. I strongly support leaders changing their minds when new information comes to light but trying to rewrite history...sorry, not a fan of that.
Stay focused on her willingness to continue defense spending at an ungodly rate but has to "think about" spending a relative pittance of that money to educate (really really educate) our next generations without saddling them with debt up to their eyeballs that will create, in effect, a debtor generation.
Stay focused on her unwillingness to reinstate Glass-Stegall because "it's hard". Yeah - that's what Presidents do...they take on the hard jobs.
But this - 600k in speaking fees - these are empty calories in the informational diet we need to get on the right track. Everyday the media focuses on this is a day we're not focused on what could make a real difference. Say all you want about "what it means" that she took that money but it's small ball versus all the other things that say much more about what she means.
That said - my disclaimer needed in today's DU climate - I'm not a fan and if she's the Dem nominee in November, she's got my vote without question because she's a better choice than EVERY republican candidate.
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She also received six figure speaking fees plus private plane expenses etc to speak at universities.
DRI
Feb 2016
#55
That she's accepted millions to speak in front of large banks AND universities
BlandGrenade
Feb 2016
#125
They paid her so much so they could put her picture/name on the conference invite.
CincyDem
Feb 2016
#13
$200K here, $200K there and pretty soon you're talking hundreds of millions
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#69
Namecalling aside, I certainly don't agree the services were paid for in advance
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#89
Best response in the thread. The why matters more than the how much. eom
Betty Karlson
Feb 2016
#111
I think its unlikely too. It would be shocking to see how benign they are in nature
Jefferson23
Feb 2016
#41
yes-- she should have said that she would be happy to do it as long as they were no legal issues
Fast Walker 52
Feb 2016
#117
Is anyone buying Hillary's bullshit?... amazed she thinks people are that stupid they won't see right through her.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2016
#56
Interesting observations especially that her campaign is not self-reflective
snagglepuss
Feb 2016
#70
Because Hillary Clinton is the first presidential candidate to be accused of lobbing the F-bomb
Empowerer
Feb 2016
#20
I don't understand why saying "I'll look into it" is such a big problem for people
Empowerer
Feb 2016
#17
I don't think it was a dodge at all. If she doesn't have all of the facts about the status of the
Empowerer
Feb 2016
#27
You Must Live In An Effing Bubble... HILLARY OWNS THE GD TRANSCRIPTS!
CorporatistNation
Feb 2016
#95
The Elizabeth Warren interview with Bill Moyers when they talked about the Bankruptcy bill
GoneOffShore
Feb 2016
#28
I believe YOU do not understand the lure of being a professional politician. That's okay
mikehiggins
Feb 2016
#126
Exactly my thoughts too!!! The only politician I've heard/seen that represents we the people
RKP5637
Feb 2016
#36
Seriously, Hillary has no leadership skills whatsoever... we don't need a President Weathervane.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2016
#65
Hillary's just another Wall St. candidate that happens to be a woman and a Democrat.
jalan48
Feb 2016
#39
It's not a smart move, when you know you're running for president, and hubby is already raking it in
ViseGrip
Feb 2016
#48
I think it matters to others for various reasons, the important thing is does it matter to her?
HereSince1628
Feb 2016
#50
Excellent analysis! Allow me to sum it up this way: Hillary is a calculating opportunist pretending to channel her "inner-Bernie".
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2016
#67
These things cloud judgment. She knew Iraq was a crime. But she voted for it just the same.
Gregorian
Feb 2016
#121