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CincyDem

(6,338 posts)
64. Probably is a tool
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016


Couple points...

1) this isn't "that much money". If they paid her 200k for a speaking gig it was at a conference where they probably paid 300k for the food, 350k for the liquor, and 100k for the exclusive use of a nearby country club golf course for the day. To Goldman, trying to buy influence for 200k is like you or me trying to buy it for 3 cents. Chump change.

2) they don't buy their influence in public. I am absolutely SURE that they buy influence but they do it with big dollars and they do it in private. They didn't get where they are by making deals in the cold light of day where you, me, anyone could scrutinize them. They have taken secrecy to a whole new level.

3) as I think the OP said in this, if they offered me 200k for 30 minutes work, I'd take it everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. To da' man with 200k in his hand let me say "use me up". lol. Seriously, if there's anyone out there who wants me to give a speech about what it's like to live on <50k a year these days, let me know and I'll forward you the name of my booking agent (Ms. CincyDem).

I'm not trying to be glib about the issue but I think Bernie is barking up the wrong tree here and he's getting traction on a topic that doesn't take him where we need to go.

Stay focused on the ease with which she sends young Americans - some of whom might have been our future great leaders - she votes to send them out to die in the sand to support American nationalism and oil interests.

Stay focused on the ease with which she "reframes" her position as easily as virtually every politician in America today when the circumstances require. I strongly support leaders changing their minds when new information comes to light but trying to rewrite history...sorry, not a fan of that.

Stay focused on her willingness to continue defense spending at an ungodly rate but has to "think about" spending a relative pittance of that money to educate (really really educate) our next generations without saddling them with debt up to their eyeballs that will create, in effect, a debtor generation.

Stay focused on her unwillingness to reinstate Glass-Stegall because "it's hard". Yeah - that's what Presidents do...they take on the hard jobs.

But this - 600k in speaking fees - these are empty calories in the informational diet we need to get on the right track. Everyday the media focuses on this is a day we're not focused on what could make a real difference. Say all you want about "what it means" that she took that money but it's small ball versus all the other things that say much more about what she means.

That said - my disclaimer needed in today's DU climate - I'm not a fan and if she's the Dem nominee in November, she's got my vote without question because she's a better choice than EVERY republican candidate.

It's not how much they paid her. It's why they paid her so much. merrily Feb 2016 #1
Why they paid her? Because its legalized bribery n/t Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #2
Ka-ching!... nexxxxtttt! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #53
She also received six figure speaking fees plus private plane expenses etc to speak at universities. DRI Feb 2016 #55
..+1 840high Feb 2016 #108
That she's accepted millions to speak in front of large banks AND universities BlandGrenade Feb 2016 #125
It's merely strongly funded encouragement. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #76
They paid her so much so they could put her picture/name on the conference invite. CincyDem Feb 2016 #13
I suspect there are other reasons Major Nikon Feb 2016 #35
Probably is a tool CincyDem Feb 2016 #64
$200K here, $200K there and pretty soon you're talking hundreds of millions Major Nikon Feb 2016 #69
Well Maj, Nikon (aka Sen Dirksen) :-) CincyDem Feb 2016 #78
Namecalling aside, I certainly don't agree the services were paid for in advance Major Nikon Feb 2016 #89
There was no name calling intended. CincyDem Feb 2016 #91
I can go with you and do a follow up speech on how to raise a Pakhet Feb 2016 #106
$600,000 -- a pittance to the few on top. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #110
It's about influence, dahling, and access. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #77
THIS Is A GREAT MOTHERFUCKING POST! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #86
Love your disclaimer.... CC Feb 2016 #109
It's all yours CC CincyDem Feb 2016 #120
Thank you. CC Feb 2016 #129
They hired her to do their bidding as a tool down the road. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #32
Best response in the thread. The why matters more than the how much. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #111
Thank you, Betty merrily Feb 2016 #113
#2 seriously, that's right wing treestar Feb 2016 #3
Oh Bull. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #5
She's never going to release them, IMO. nt SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #24
I think its unlikely too. It would be shocking to see how benign they are in nature Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #41
I was quite surprised as well. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #45
She has to ask Lord Blankfein if it is ok first corkhead Feb 2016 #43
Don't you mean Mr.Lloyd Bankfiend? Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #79
uh, perhaps it is not a misspell hopemountain Feb 2016 #104
It was I myself Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #112
yes-- she should have said that she would be happy to do it as long as they were no legal issues Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #117
"Learning more and getting informed"? AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #51
Is anyone buying Hillary's bullshit?... amazed she thinks people are that stupid they won't see right through her. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #56
She's up over 20 points nationally over Bernie Tommy2Tone Feb 2016 #102
( ._.) Marty McGraw Feb 2016 #105
Nice clip Tommy2Tone Feb 2016 #128
That gif gave me my first laugh of the day. Thanks! Duval Feb 2016 #58
#2 sounds as awful lot like... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #4
Okie dokie! leftofcool Feb 2016 #6
She feigns a caring persona Karma13612 Feb 2016 #7
And that laugh... Is there any sound more irritating known to humanity? Yurovsky Feb 2016 #123
#1 is somewhat tenuous ejbr Feb 2016 #8
She's hiding under a bland tarp. saltpoint Feb 2016 #9
She's too insecure to hire advisors who tell her the truth tularetom Feb 2016 #61
I'm fearful that this is the case, because it saltpoint Feb 2016 #75
Interesting observations especially that her campaign is not self-reflective snagglepuss Feb 2016 #70
Hi, snagglepuss. I am at the "just wondering" stage, saltpoint Feb 2016 #74
I do care how much they PAID her. Fearless Feb 2016 #10
Well the difference is you're not running for President. elias49 Feb 2016 #11
You might not care. But many people do. nt Nyan Feb 2016 #12
Oh, and one more thing; they dont like the F-bomb so much elias49 Feb 2016 #14
Heh KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #15
Because Hillary Clinton is the first presidential candidate to be accused of lobbing the F-bomb Empowerer Feb 2016 #20
Oh yeah. Called him that very day. elias49 Feb 2016 #25
I misunderstood your post. My bad. Empowerer Feb 2016 #26
upon reflection...thanks to your post...I have come to realize... islandmkl Feb 2016 #85
Great post! elias49 Feb 2016 #87
Perfect and exactly where I come from. PWPippin Feb 2016 #16
I don't understand why saying "I'll look into it" is such a big problem for people Empowerer Feb 2016 #17
Exactly. Couldn't agree more. Sounds like some gaslighting around here. ancianita Feb 2016 #21
In my mind, there is a difference. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #22
I don't think it was a dodge at all. If she doesn't have all of the facts about the status of the Empowerer Feb 2016 #27
You Must Live In An Effing Bubble... HILLARY OWNS THE GD TRANSCRIPTS! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #95
I don't believe for an instant that she'll "look into it" ... JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #119
$151 M over a 14 year period, for both her and Bill lostnfound Feb 2016 #18
Yes, greed over the public good. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #23
Kicked and recced!! eom Arazi Feb 2016 #19
The Elizabeth Warren interview with Bill Moyers when they talked about the Bankruptcy bill GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #28
Loved it... Elizabeth could've easily won this election. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #59
You didn't even touch on the biggest reason not to vote for her—namely, that Gene Debs Feb 2016 #29
She's sold to the highest bidder/donner to do their bidding n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #40
Sorry, but that doesn't even make sense. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #44
Your encouragement is noted. Gene Debs Feb 2016 #54
I believe YOU do not understand the lure of being a professional politician. That's okay mikehiggins Feb 2016 #126
I understand the ego motive KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #127
AMEN! Vote2016 Feb 2016 #30
She caves a lot to pressure Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #31
Exactly my thoughts too!!! The only politician I've heard/seen that represents we the people RKP5637 Feb 2016 #36
Seriously, Hillary has no leadership skills whatsoever... we don't need a President Weathervane. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #65
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #33
Good post, thanks for speaking my mind. n/t mountain grammy Feb 2016 #34
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #38
Kickin' Faux pas Feb 2016 #37
Hillary's just another Wall St. candidate that happens to be a woman and a Democrat. jalan48 Feb 2016 #39
Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #47
Elizabeth Warren would have been the best Woman as candidate. DRI Feb 2016 #57
Absolutely agree. jalan48 Feb 2016 #60
Baggage, baggage and more baggage. SoapBox Feb 2016 #42
I've been looking for video or transcripts of the speeches she gave up here polly7 Feb 2016 #46
It's not a smart move, when you know you're running for president, and hubby is already raking it in ViseGrip Feb 2016 #48
Its not howmuch they paid her, its who the "they" are. Banks, private ... marble falls Feb 2016 #49
I think it matters to others for various reasons, the important thing is does it matter to her? HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #50
You are far more reasoned and less emotional. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #52
Excellent analysis! Allow me to sum it up this way: Hillary is a calculating opportunist pretending to channel her "inner-Bernie". InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #67
just wanted to highlight this part of your great post questionseverything Feb 2016 #81
I DO care. Cheap_Trick Feb 2016 #62
Chris Christie says... dubyadiprecession Feb 2016 #63
"We should be so lucky to run against a 74 year old socialist" AlbertCat Feb 2016 #68
They didn't have decades to strategize against Dukakis.... dubyadiprecession Feb 2016 #71
The biggest fail in this post is one I see in all the similar posts artislife Feb 2016 #88
K&R eom Duval Feb 2016 #66
They paid her because they expect a return on their investment Don Draper Feb 2016 #72
Try the Google maq-az Feb 2016 #73
Anyone who believes sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #80
As to your first statement ... before the problems part ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #82
I care about all those things including how much they paid her. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #83
Cool story 'bro! beaglelover Feb 2016 #84
Please stop using that term davidpdx Feb 2016 #99
This is so old - find something new. 840high Feb 2016 #107
Banks often give out money without expecting anything in return. Romulox Feb 2016 #90
KnR. yourout Feb 2016 #92
Lesser of two evils argument. bl968 Feb 2016 #93
Wow! winterwar Feb 2016 #94
But we don't buy that and she knows it passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #96
You can't bullshit a bullshitter. Hillary doesn't know when to quit. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #97
A fu!*&#nmen...n/t... BlueCollar Feb 2016 #98
Bam! You totally nailed it. N/t JBoy Feb 2016 #100
When you have nothing curse a lot. Tommy2Tone Feb 2016 #101
Yes, Own it Hillary. HassleCat Feb 2016 #103
Don't do it scuciti Feb 2016 #114
I'm sure it would be better for some people if KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #118
Bush was "decisive" IronLionZion Feb 2016 #115
At least all the speaker's fees wial Feb 2016 #116
These things cloud judgment. She knew Iraq was a crime. But she voted for it just the same. Gregorian Feb 2016 #121
not as bad as W budd3456 Feb 2016 #122
Where is the line for her? Viva Feb 2016 #124
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