2016 Postmortem

redstateblues

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178. So I scrimped and saved so my daughter could

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:12 PM

Feb 2016

Commute to an affordable state university so she wouldn't be saddled with debt. Hopefully Bernie will have a reimbursement plan for middle-class parents like me that have made it work. It only seems fair. I cannot understand why someone would borrow $160,000 to get a useless BA in Sociology( my degree) or English Lit or something even less marketable. I worked when I was in college. There are ways to get a good degree without making a foolish financial decision. I signed on for a mortgage I couldn't afford- was able to get a deed in lieu of foreclosure and and ruined my credit for 8 years. I have been trying not to do stupid stuff any more. I consider high dollar student loans foolish except maybe for careers that have good earning potential. It just doesn't make sense.

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I Will Die With Student Loan Debt [View all] angrychair Feb 2016 OP

Massive K&R..... daleanime Feb 2016 #1

sorry I don't understand your point hill2016 Feb 2016 #2

Sorry, you are not correct angrychair Feb 2016 #3

The research shows that students who work 10 hours a week have higher pnwmom Feb 2016 #87

Nothing wrong with working while going to school SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #191

My kiddos go to college in Germany ask me anything pinebox Feb 2016 #28

I think the point was that Germany has one of the lowest college attendance rates in Europe Recursion Feb 2016 #134

But do you know why that is? pinebox Feb 2016 #166

I do know why that is, yes Recursion Feb 2016 #172

There is a chance I will die trying to escape student loan debt. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #4

Sucks to be you NobodyHere Feb 2016 #5

Great "I got mine, don't give a crap about you" attitude. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #8

The Third Way in action, don'tcha know. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #9

That is it, in a nutshell. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #14

The third way is increasingly looking like the old Repuglican way. reformist2 Feb 2016 #39

It sounds like..... backtomn Feb 2016 #53

Typical republican attitude. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #16

Deleted so not to stoop to that poster's level. nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #19

WOW that was unkind! onecent Feb 2016 #27

So is life NobodyHere Feb 2016 #29

I just love the ignore function. Good bye. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #31

Been a rough one, eh? Sorry to hear that! onecent Feb 2016 #32

Thanks to some people. You could work to make things better instead, you know. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #43

Martin Shkreli, is that you? nt JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #169

Wow just wow..... pinebox Feb 2016 #33

Jury 2-5 to keep this. Unbelievable. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #35

The elitists are out in force today. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #45

Well, the poster's a ******, but the post in itself isn't hide-worthy Orrex Feb 2016 #85

I voted to keep it because I knew he would get thrashed LittleBlue Feb 2016 #112

Ah! A Hillary supporter. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #60

Bernie supporter actually NobodyHere Feb 2016 #65

Mmmhmmm. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #72

Yeah right. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #122

Tell you what ... Trajan Feb 2016 #152

Anyone with a user name like "Nobody Here" has serious issues Lorien Feb 2016 #167

Yeah! Fuck everybody else! Orrex Feb 2016 #83

So, how'd you do it? Duppers Feb 2016 #121

Kind of a shitty thing to say. redwitch Feb 2016 #125

It sucks to read your post... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #137

I weep for you. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #148

Sheesh ... Trajan Feb 2016 #151

When? progressoid Feb 2016 #160

Daddy and Mommy paid for it. mac56 Feb 2016 #168

Sanders also only covers state universities dsc Feb 2016 #6

True angrychair Feb 2016 #11

Pls explain to me the "work 10 hours a week for a free education" statement brush Feb 2016 #20

Seems ok to you angrychair Feb 2016 #26

What's with the smart ass response? I asked if there were other strings attached. brush Feb 2016 #133

I would argue AZ Jim Feb 2016 #179

Under Sanders program if you are expecting the government to pay for your board dsc Feb 2016 #25

Another false claim. Sanders isn't making anyone work at all. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #47

that help consists of work programs and loans dsc Feb 2016 #48

Funny, you left out GRANTS. How is it that Hillary supporters always forget the important things? Live and Learn Feb 2016 #49

As a mother during the late 90s and early 00s, I was raising Skidmore Feb 2016 #131

So??? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #15

over half the OP is about what a vile program Hillary has since she only covers state universites dsc Feb 2016 #23

That is simply not true. One sentence in the OP is dedicated to that. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #24

I may die with unpaid college debt TeddyR Feb 2016 #7

So corporate welfare is ok? angrychair Feb 2016 #10

Tore the words right out of my mouth. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #17

Can't you be against both? Nt metroins Feb 2016 #84

College is overrated. Elmergantry Feb 2016 #30

Yes angrychair Feb 2016 #36

If they can't do a cost-benefit analysis NobodyHere Feb 2016 #41

Not hard. Elmergantry Feb 2016 #52

I would expect Republicans to view education that way, not Democrats. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #37

I swear, when it comes to things like higher education SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #156

I agree, it is over rated! leftofcool Feb 2016 #44

I wish I was more "handy" Elmergantry Feb 2016 #50

Fantastic! leftofcool Feb 2016 #59

Follow your own advice and do research. Because you're clueless jeff47 Feb 2016 #61

Learn a trade Elmergantry Feb 2016 #86

And they're supposed to know that before going to college because.......? jeff47 Feb 2016 #103

Nothing in life is guarenteed. Elmergantry Feb 2016 #154

Then why are you arguing as if job prospects are guaranteed? jeff47 Feb 2016 #163

I am arguing they are better Elmergantry Feb 2016 #193

Hmmm... let's do that whatthehey Feb 2016 #106

I tell my college students that although it used to be possible to declare bankruptcy tblue37 Feb 2016 #127

How did you "get screwed"? TeddyR Feb 2016 #51

Sad. Just sad. No wonder only 30% of Americans consider themselves Democrats anymore. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #54

Doesn't answer the question TeddyR Feb 2016 #58

"..massive tax increases to pay for that plan." HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #76

Very well put, HM! nt Mnemosyne Feb 2016 #146

What do you think TeddyR Feb 2016 #180

Don't really want to digress from the topic of the OP.... HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #184

With respect to digressing from the topic TeddyR Feb 2016 #185

Sorry if I wasn't clear. HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #187

Must be nice to live in your world angrychair Feb 2016 #70

Your better off. Elmergantry Feb 2016 #89

ROFL angrychair Feb 2016 #99

So your in IT? Elmergantry Feb 2016 #155

So what is your complaint? TeddyR Feb 2016 #181

Wow. I would say I can't believe this is what the Democratic Party has turned into but liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #13

I can pinebox Feb 2016 #34

+ another RiverLover Feb 2016 #144

Seriously??? Is that what you thought about the Company Stores where Live and Learn Feb 2016 #18

What is the babble about TeddyR Feb 2016 #55

And there you have it. leftofcool Feb 2016 #22

Pink unicorns and fairy dust. We Can't Do that!! Live and Learn Feb 2016 #12

I worked my way through. leftofcool Feb 2016 #21

So did I. RiverLover Feb 2016 #40

When? progressoid Feb 2016 #159

Back when college tuition was 1500 a semester and minimum wage was 90 cents an hour. leftofcool Feb 2016 #170

So, at the far left side of that graph then. progressoid Feb 2016 #189

...and far fewer German Citizens get the benefit of the free tuition brooklynite Feb 2016 #38

It's a bit of a misleading chart Bradical79 Feb 2016 #192

What I don't understand is the mindset of having to go full time to a 4 year university Press Virginia Feb 2016 #42

There is no one size fits all model. That is the problem. I am glad you were able to work liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #46

That is what my oldest son did. Went to a commnity college for two years (made sure Waldorf Feb 2016 #115

It's a smart way to do it Press Virginia Feb 2016 #120

Maybe.... backtomn Feb 2016 #56

Have we been secretly transported to FreeRepublic? I can't handle hearing liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #57

I have a degree..... backtomn Feb 2016 #62

No, you're just a jerk. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #79

This whole thread is full of the same catch phrases isn't it? laundry_queen Feb 2016 #74

ITA Dems2002 Feb 2016 #153

There is 1 STEM job opening for every 6 STEM graduates. jeff47 Feb 2016 #64

You have to take that into account treestar Feb 2016 #67

Banks don't hand out the loans anymore. jeff47 Feb 2016 #102

I never mentioned visas, but.... backtomn Feb 2016 #77

Apparently you have never heard Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #80

Yep Economics cant be ignored. Elmergantry Feb 2016 #91

The thing you claimed was a smart choice isn't. jeff47 Feb 2016 #101

The government used to bankroll public colleges Arazi Feb 2016 #175

If I had to go to college now treestar Feb 2016 #63

There are a lot of hard conversations that have to be had bluestateguy Feb 2016 #66

My husband was told in high school by the principle he would never amount to anything. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #71

Good for your husband. Beacool Feb 2016 #142

TY. Nice to hear common sense. N/T Elmergantry Feb 2016 #94

I must admit I am constantly shocked by the amount of student debt SheilaT Feb 2016 #68

The system is the problem, not the students. We keep blaming average Americans for liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #78

It's not entirely the system. SheilaT Feb 2016 #88

If we had tuition free college, we wouldn't have to limit students choices based on debt and income liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #90

Tuition free, or very low tuition is something I support. SheilaT Feb 2016 #100

"The system" and "the parents" are both problems TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #110

How did they pay for junior college? liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #111

Lived at home and got jobs. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #114

I'm not saying that people shouldn't go to community college. My daughter goes to liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #116

True, but many more students go to college these days, as well. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #118

Are you seriously comparing 10 hours of work a week to slavery? taught_me_patience Feb 2016 #69

Frankly, I am shocked at the entitled attitude among some here. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #113

Public colleges and universities were free in the 1960s. senz Feb 2016 #73

+1000000. Thank you. This thread is thoroughly depressing me. I think I'm just going to liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #75

No, they weren't free. Not all of them. I believe in California they were, but not in other states SheilaT Feb 2016 #82

Sorry. In a hurry I forgot to put "in California" in the title. But they were cheaper elsewhere. senz Feb 2016 #143

In the 60's about 5 percent went to college yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #130

Wrong. Enrollment increased from 29.4% in 1950 to-- eridani Feb 2016 #157

In very few places were they free, though they were much cheaper Recursion Feb 2016 #135

Working 10 hours a week is nothing dlwickham Feb 2016 #81

The other option is to flee the country and never return, JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #92

Exactly. Short term thinking on this will only lead to more problems down the road. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #93

Short term thinking is second nature in America unfortunately, JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #97

Poorshaming. K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #95

We certainly could afford it if we weren't spending trillions on war. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #96

We have positively useless weapons systems, JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #98

It's got to be tuition and fees. The fees are way more than tuition, at least in MA. seaglass Feb 2016 #119

Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #136

Student Loans, many of them predatory . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #104

If I had to do it over: I'd go to a trade school and learn to be a plumber or electrician. Paper Roses Feb 2016 #105

For those who want to be plumbers that is great. We also need doctors, scientists, liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #107

I understand your perspective angrychair Feb 2016 #108

I chose to fight to change it. Those who fought for the Labor Movement, the Women's liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #109

Problem is that you need to be a family member to get into one of those corrupt unions n/t taught_me_patience Feb 2016 #117

Sorry someone had to work a whole 10 hours a week to help pay tuition. zappaman Feb 2016 #123

ditto Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #124

I'm sorry, but if you think that Sanders will get free college tuition for all, Beacool Feb 2016 #126

exactly Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #129

I know, I know, the revolution is coming and millions of people will take to the streets demanding workinclasszero Feb 2016 #174

Hidden in your post is the supposition that ONLY Sen. Sanders will be elected. HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #188

Actually, that's not a factual argument. Beacool Feb 2016 #190

You are not alone. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #128

Why did YOU take out so much debt, with no hope of repaying it? Kang Colby Feb 2016 #132

Everyone who takes debt for college expects to be able to repay it. RiverLover Feb 2016 #145

I think it's a fair question... Kang Colby Feb 2016 #158

tuition is only 20% or less of total cost of college BlueStateLib Feb 2016 #138

Ya know, Bernie's plan is about State colleges, too. Orangepeel Feb 2016 #139

Hillary attended Yale and paid for it herself. Beacool Feb 2016 #140

Also bluestateguy Feb 2016 #149

True..... Beacool Feb 2016 #150

Look closer greymattermom Feb 2016 #141

so will I.... mike_c Feb 2016 #147

I don't think it's unreasonable Ms. Yertle Feb 2016 #161

Oddly, I agree with both sides here. noamnety Feb 2016 #162

Curious angrychair Feb 2016 #171

Yes and no. My college payment was a mess. noamnety Feb 2016 #173

The only solution is revolution. This is not some cheesy slogan. Zorra Feb 2016 #164

The University where I teach is $23,300 a year Lorien Feb 2016 #165

Truthfully, these are the types of schools that need to be closed -- at least taken off loan list. Hoyt Feb 2016 #177

My heart breaks for you AZ Jim Feb 2016 #176

So I scrimped and saved so my daughter could redstateblues Feb 2016 #178

I admire what you did for your daughter TeddyR Feb 2016 #182

this thread is so depressing Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #183

What does the bank bailout TeddyR Feb 2016 #186

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