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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: So when Republicans call Bernie a "Communist Jew," [View all]Gothmog
(174,077 posts)67. Give a little thought to what a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like
This article from VOX has some good predictions as to how nasty the GOP and the Kochs will be http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders
I'm not sure I have the requisite killer instinct to fully imagine how the GOP will play a Sanders campaign. But consider just this low-hanging fruit:
That's just the obvious stuff. And he has barely been hit on any of it so far.
I have no real way of knowing whether Sanders and his advisers appreciate what's coming if he wins the nomination, or whether they have a serious plan to deal with it, something beyond hoping a political revolution will drown it out.
But at least based on my experience, the Bernie legions are not prepared. They seem convinced that the white working class would rally to the flag of democratic socialism. And they are in a state of perpetual umbrage that Sanders isn't receiving the respect he's due, that he's facing even mild attacks from Clinton's camp.
If they are aware that it's been patty-cakes so far, that much, much worse and more vicious attacks are inevitable, and that no one knows how Sanders might perform with a giant political machine working to define him as an unhinged leftist, they hide it well.
In the name of diverting some small percentage of the social media bile surely headed my way, let's be clear about a few things: This is not an argument against supporting Sanders. There's nothing dumber than making political decisions based on how the other side might react. (For one thing, that would have foreclosed supporting Obama, a black urbanite with a funny name, in 2008.)
But it is an argument that Sanders has gaping vulnerabilities that have not yet been exploited at all, so his followers should not yet feel sanguine about his ability to endure conservative attacks. Also they should get a thicker skin, quick.
Sanders would be the oldest president ever to take office older than John McCain, who faced serious questions about this in 2008.
Sanders is a socialist. "No, no," you explain, "it's democratic socialist, like in Denmark." I'm sure GOP attack ads will take that distinction into careful consideration.
Sanders explicitly wants to raise taxes, and not only on the rich.
That's just the obvious stuff. And he has barely been hit on any of it so far.
I have no real way of knowing whether Sanders and his advisers appreciate what's coming if he wins the nomination, or whether they have a serious plan to deal with it, something beyond hoping a political revolution will drown it out.
But at least based on my experience, the Bernie legions are not prepared. They seem convinced that the white working class would rally to the flag of democratic socialism. And they are in a state of perpetual umbrage that Sanders isn't receiving the respect he's due, that he's facing even mild attacks from Clinton's camp.
If they are aware that it's been patty-cakes so far, that much, much worse and more vicious attacks are inevitable, and that no one knows how Sanders might perform with a giant political machine working to define him as an unhinged leftist, they hide it well.
In the name of diverting some small percentage of the social media bile surely headed my way, let's be clear about a few things: This is not an argument against supporting Sanders. There's nothing dumber than making political decisions based on how the other side might react. (For one thing, that would have foreclosed supporting Obama, a black urbanite with a funny name, in 2008.)
But it is an argument that Sanders has gaping vulnerabilities that have not yet been exploited at all, so his followers should not yet feel sanguine about his ability to endure conservative attacks. Also they should get a thicker skin, quick.
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Oh they'll certainly call him a communist, socialist ... all of that, but they know that ...
brush
Feb 2016
#131
No, being anti-Semitic and/or defending anti-Semitism here will earn you that label.
beam me up scottie
Feb 2016
#10
We're touchy because there have been anti-Semitic posts and threads about Bernie already.
beam me up scottie
Feb 2016
#23
GDP isn't the deep end of the pool, it's cliff diving into shark infested water.
beam me up scottie
Feb 2016
#65
Doing it with a bucket full of chum in each hand kind of enhances the risks though
Fumesucker
Feb 2016
#129
Who cares what they will call Bernie? They called Obama a socialist Muslim.
liberal_at_heart
Feb 2016
#6
Bernie will not be the nominee, so the Republicans won't bother attacking him.
NurseJackie
Feb 2016
#8
They can't use the anti Zionism trope because the evangelical wingers looooove them some Israel.
hedda_foil
Feb 2016
#113
They're too smart to go after Bernie's religion but they'll go all in on "socialist", "Marxist" ...
brush
Feb 2016
#132
I've been waiting for this! A passive-aggressive attack on Bernie's religion from a DUer.
jillan
Feb 2016
#17
They'll say things like, "He'd understand us better if he were a Christian, but he's not."
valerief
Feb 2016
#25
Well you are assuming that voters will trun out for Hillary if she is the nominee
INdemo
Feb 2016
#31
The Clinton campaign already pushed the commie part of that epithet, the Jew part sure to follow.
AtomicKitten
Feb 2016
#32
The GOP loves Israel. Remember? They aren't going to lay a finger on Judaism and no one gives
in_cog_ni_to
Feb 2016
#38
The age of the Internet has changed everything! Most people own smartphones, tablets, laptops or
in_cog_ni_to
Feb 2016
#63
Of course I do. That's why they have to stay on Israel's good side. Oh, I know they don't like Jews.
in_cog_ni_to
Feb 2016
#82
They won't add the "Jew" part. They're too into Israel. I say that as a Jewish person.
stevenleser
Feb 2016
#47
Specificaly, in Rapture theology, only 144,000 Jews will make the proverbial cut, the
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2016
#119
The real problem is New Demercratics who are afraid of what the Republicans will say or think
awake
Feb 2016
#54
Don't forget "Prosperity Jesus." I swear, you cannot make this shit up! - nt
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2016
#120
Give a little thought to what a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#67
So when Republicans called Obama a "Socialist born in Kenya," I was so glad that we chose Hillary in
Vote2016
Feb 2016
#69
I dunno - what you do say when they call Obama a socialist Mozlum. They are going to twist the
Kashkakat v.2.0
Feb 2016
#70
Now he's over in GD pissing and moaning about how badly he was treated after posting it. nt
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2016
#91
You're suggesting we follow their bigoted rule book? WE ALL fight back, and he'll be fine.
Jefferson23
Feb 2016
#75
You're right! We should never nominate a candidate that will invite Republican criticism.
Maedhros
Feb 2016
#87
Plus he starts a thread in GD to whine about the negative responses he gets in this thread
m-lekktor
Feb 2016
#107
You can be SCARED into voting for Hillary. Or INSPIRED into voting for Bernie.
RufusTFirefly
Feb 2016
#108
The right-wing has inoculated the public against emotional reactions to words like,
Zen Democrat
Feb 2016
#109
Relax, some of us have been denigrated by the GOP for a lifetime and don't take it seriously and
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#136