2016 Postmortem

earthside

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65. I doubt it.

Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:53 PM

Feb 2016

I believe Hillary on overturning Citizens United like I believe her on being against the TPP.

If she got to the White House (which I doubt), why would she try and overturn Citizens United when it got her there?
Hillary is all about big money and hobnobbing with the power elite ... she would never get around to doing anything substantive to get rid of Citizens United.

And, of course, she'll absolutely be 'pragmatic' and 'realistic' on the TPP if by some miracle she became president ... it would be signed and passed by her Repuglican Congress within three months of Inauguration Day.

Thankfully, the Democratic voters are wise to her and she'll be a loser just like she was eight years ago.

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I'm a little disappointed with the outrage and conspiracies surround the speaking fees. [View all] DanTex Feb 2016 OP

I'm shocked. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #1

Was the Brotherhood of Electrical Workers involved? Hekate Feb 2016 #81

I like both Bernie and Hillary. If anyone wanted me to speak, I would be collecting fees too. RKP5637 Feb 2016 #2

I'm just curious... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #3

Not a big fan, although Summers sometimes says reasonable things (but other times not). DanTex Feb 2016 #8

LOL... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #12

Oh, their policies. I think that the Clinton deregulation in the 90s was bad and set the stage DanTex Feb 2016 #17

Bad ideas though, wouldn't you agree? TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #18

The 90s deregulation, yes. But on policy, Obama has been (mostly) good. DanTex Feb 2016 #24

Both Hillary and Bernie will do what they can to overturn riversedge Feb 2016 #19

I really hope so... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #21

I doubt it. earthside Feb 2016 #65

What conspiracy? They were offered pay to perform. They accepted. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #4

And as the old southern saying goes, bvf Feb 2016 #73

Molly Ivins... RIP. libdem4life Feb 2016 #82

Yep! bvf Feb 2016 #97

The Green Building Council? THE HORROR KittyWampus Feb 2016 #5

Hahaha! You out-astuted me Wampus. Well done! elias49 Feb 2016 #27

LOOK AWAY LOOK AWAY THE CAMPERS KittyWampus Feb 2016 #124

It's a legitimate concern, not a conspiracy theory farleftlib Feb 2016 #6

She has not refused to release the transcripts. Hekate Feb 2016 #85

she basically did Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #105

No conspiracy, no artful smear. Just Hillary cashing in Dems to Win Feb 2016 #7

Campaign contributions TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #15

No, we've not forgotten about campaign contributions Dems to Win Feb 2016 #26

This, in addition to your disappointment that Bernie's supporters are not switching to Hillary djean111 Feb 2016 #9

This is new to me: TubbersUK Feb 2016 #10

me too questionseverything Feb 2016 #30

Clinton = Shady libdem4life Feb 2016 #83

interesting Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #106

Thanks. 840high Feb 2016 #108

yeah...and let's not even talk about the CGI hoosierlib Feb 2016 #11

Do you have the slightest clue what the CGI does with its time and money? Hekate Feb 2016 #87

Yes...and do you know who works for it? hoosierlib Feb 2016 #95

Where is Emily Litella when you need her? NurseJackie Feb 2016 #13

Plus 10000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #34

You called? Contrary1 Feb 2016 #63

"It's always something" Hekate Feb 2016 #88

I'm very disappointed that ANYONE can't see the problem. cali Feb 2016 #14

Exactly farleftlib Feb 2016 #20

+1 JudyM Feb 2016 #33

oh. Hill is nothing but a shrill for the ---US Green Building Council riversedge Feb 2016 #16

Well you're right. She is elias49 Feb 2016 #28

a SHRILL? wtf....I think you meant shill but SHRILL is kinda cute coming from a supporter or hers! m-lekktor Feb 2016 #47

Me, I'm a little disappointed with the speaking fees themselves. 'Nuff said. mak3cats Feb 2016 #22

I'd have asked for more. How about you? Also I would have checked to see what men were getting. Hekate Feb 2016 #90

I love this post! treestar Feb 2016 #23

Attar of Roses is what it is Hekate Feb 2016 #91

Uh, there is one common thread here...in case you missed it..they are all National and Establishment libdem4life Feb 2016 #25

You pay Hillary Clinton to speak for exactly one reason Recursion Feb 2016 #69

I agree..she's the master of nuance and they already know what she'll do. But IDK if she loses the libdem4life Feb 2016 #74

Recursion: I think you hit the nail on the head. Hekate Feb 2016 #92

A Board of Directors has to authorize a speaking fee. Are you trying to tell me that these Boards libdem4life Feb 2016 #103

Yes Recursion Feb 2016 #104

They are chosen for accountability...usually don't get paid. Stockholders care a great deal, thus libdem4life Feb 2016 #107

Cherry picking the noncontroversial speeches out of the list doesn't make the controversial ones think Feb 2016 #29

Hey, the more conspiracies the better. Honestly I think that anyone who's every been paid DanTex Feb 2016 #31

These are facts Dan. She was paid by corporations that have dubious histories & benefit from US govt think Feb 2016 #41

Are there any corporations that it's OK to be paid by, in your view? DanTex Feb 2016 #45

Please feel free to try & defend Goldman Sachs all you want. GE benefits big time from Hillary: think Feb 2016 #50

Oooo, let us know if the goalposts get moved in the Superbowl too. Hekate Feb 2016 #93

Whatever. Hope you had a nice day. think Feb 2016 #121

You can talk about goalposts. I'll try to discuss the historical background of GS and GTCR. think Feb 2016 #122

give us a break EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #32

Thanks for bringing the Clinton foundation into this. If I have time, I'll make DanTex Feb 2016 #37

Against the advice of pretty much everyone? Kaleva Feb 2016 #38

Thank you for this. If Hillary becomes president she's going to make us all go camping, isn't she. betsuni Feb 2016 #35

DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #36

So your argument is essentially 7.7 million is nothing when compared to all the other money she took Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #39

More or less. Even if it was only the 7.7, knowing what actually happens at corporate events, DanTex Feb 2016 #43

Not everyone who has worked in the private sector gets paid 200k to give a speech Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #49

No, but if you're vote most admired woman in America 15 years running, then you do. DanTex Feb 2016 #52

If Michael Moore or Noam Chomsky were running for President that might be an issue Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #57

But if they did, we could count on you to object that their speaking fees have corrupted them. DanTex Feb 2016 #58

You might have a point if I had said that all speaking fees are bad, but I did not say that. Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #62

:) Lucinda Feb 2016 #40

Do tell? Fumesucker Feb 2016 #42

He is entertaining, isn't he? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #44

It's one of the silliest criticism I've seen by Democrats of another Democrat in my life. stevenleser Feb 2016 #46

Get real. It's the number of zeros that is, uh, suspect. Future benefits of an inevitable President libdem4life Feb 2016 #79

Lol, nope, sorry, it's still a silly joke. Nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #94

6 figure fees are not a joke. They are purchased influence. Not silly, either. There is intent. libdem4life Feb 2016 #98

n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #48

Who would of thunk it , Are you in the Used Car business ? orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #51

153 million is obscene NowSam Feb 2016 #53

The speaking fees don't bother me. Chemisse Feb 2016 #54

You damn well KNOW she's beholden to Big Camping!!! Metric System Feb 2016 #55

Hillary is a pawn. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #56

They have nothing else..eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #59

Imagine, if you will, Hillary standing in front of the banksters and Vinca Feb 2016 #60

I'll start with your first example. malokvale77 Feb 2016 #61

If I was a Hillary Clinton supporter Aerows Feb 2016 #64

"...with the outrage and conspiracies..." Wilms Feb 2016 #66

If she was so smart, where was her judgment zalinda Feb 2016 #67

Unless your name is Clinton. They have appeared to be improper for years and have mastered libdem4life Feb 2016 #89

Not conspiracy, but oligarchy. wouldsman Feb 2016 #68

Sanders has changed the race, and many people are still struggling with that concept. LS_Editor Feb 2016 #70

Release the transcripts. Problem solved. Deflect or dodge, doesn't add up to what she has said. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #71

well of course you are....... LOL bowens43 Feb 2016 #72

Earning a few hundred thousand wouldn't be an issue.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #75

$250 k an hour for a speaking engagement.. And they only made 7.7 million from the banks. raindaddy Feb 2016 #76

The same stuff she told the National Camping Association. DanTex Feb 2016 #78

If she telling the Wall Street banks the same thing she telling the NCA raindaddy Feb 2016 #99

It's kind of like Obama and releasing the birth certificate. Is that really going to matter to DanTex Feb 2016 #100

It's nothing like Obama releasing his birth certificate.... raindaddy Feb 2016 #101

Depends where you stand. The people who really really thought Obama was DanTex Feb 2016 #102

Lame.. The were also people who thought the world was really really flat... raindaddy Feb 2016 #111

Yes, there were. Good point. There were also people who thought that Hillary had DanTex Feb 2016 #113

There are also people that think Wall Street Bank execs paid the Clinton's $7.5 million to ......... raindaddy Feb 2016 #115

You left out the Camping Association. Those are the guys you really need to look out for! DanTex Feb 2016 #116

Not worried about the camping association... raindaddy Feb 2016 #118

Maybe you should be. Those campers can be a crafty bunch! DanTex Feb 2016 #119

No worries, Hillary will march right into their s'more roast and tell em to, "cut it out!!!" raindaddy Feb 2016 #120

I wonder if she talked to Goldman Sachs about..... wolfie001 Feb 2016 #77

The Fragrance Foundation conspiracies just write themselves. The odor of sanctity.... Hekate Feb 2016 #80

I don't like the smell of this... DanTex Feb 2016 #84

lolz Hekate Feb 2016 #86

The National Camping Association was supposed to ensure a tent big enough for the whole Dem Party... Hekate Feb 2016 #96

Dan, with all due respects Glamrock Feb 2016 #109

We can also argue about what "the majority of the population" thinks all day long. DanTex Feb 2016 #110

True, we can Glamrock Feb 2016 #112

Favorability is far from the only category people use to decide on a president. DanTex Feb 2016 #114

Any other year, I'd be in full agreement Dan Glamrock Feb 2016 #117

Its a conspiracy by Big Timeout Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #123