2016 Postmortem

cui bono

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177. No one is attempting to "destroy her lifetime of contributions". That's quite a stretch.

Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:16 PM

Feb 2016

These intelligent and strong women are standing up for themselves.

Why is it okay for you to speak for them and diminish their feelings when you were just talking about how white people treat blacks? You are doing the almost the same thing you complained about here:

They insult black folk regularly and we're just supposed to shut up and not comment because any objection from us is whining, divisive race-baiting. But an icon says something they don't like and they stomp and moan and attack her, belittle her accomplishments and contributions - accomplishments and contributions they probably can't come close to matching in three lifetimes -

And they wonder why they've got the reputation they've got . . .

except you are doing it not to a public figure, who should be scrutinized, you are putting down a whole group of intelligent, strong women who are speaking their mind. Why are they not supposed to speak their mind? What if a white person told an entire group of blacks not to speak their mind after they were referred to as less than a thinking human being? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't stand for that.

And the fact of the matter is, Steinem was wrong to say it and then she was wrong to say she was apologizing when she was ust further insulting the women by telling them they misinterpreted her. They did no such thing. They just happen to be supporting the 'wrong' candidate in Steinem's mind - and yours it seems - and so they have to be the ones who are wrong.

No one is throwing Steinem under the bus or blittling her accomplishments and contributions, they are calling her out for an extremely sexist comment she made and an insulting non-apology.

I think you are also responding as a Hillary supporter first and are allowing yourself to sweep the very real issue of sexism and feminism aside to defend a Hillary surrogate and by extension, Hillary herself. This isn't about Hillary or Bernie. This is about a woman who should know better belittling women with an extremely sexist comment just because they didn't make the same choice that she made.

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Women respond to Gloria Steinem's apology: [View all] Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 OP

These young women do not seem impressed. hifiguy Feb 2016 #1

But they themselves have impressed me. nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #3

Me, too! hifiguy Feb 2016 #6

Same here. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #26

"And This Song Goes Out to Gloria...." John Poet Feb 2016 #197

The older women beltanefauve Feb 2016 #214

Tip: If your apology includes "misinterpreted", you aren't actually apologizing. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #2

Exactly. CLASSIC non-apology "apology". kath Feb 2016 #24

That wasn't an apology by any means Aerows Feb 2016 #36

Yep 840high Feb 2016 #52

These people really don't get it. To do this to one of most well known and admired boston bean Feb 2016 #4

She's the one who said the incredibly insulting and sexist thing Matariki Feb 2016 #7

What did she say? George II Feb 2016 #200

they are not doing anything to her questionseverything Feb 2016 #9

sometimes when someone has been famous and an 'icon' forever roguevalley Feb 2016 #123

Not quite so admired anymore it seems farleftlib Feb 2016 #12

are you kidding?! dana_b Feb 2016 #13

she said that young women (the whole group) are supporting Sanders just to get dates. Doctor_J Feb 2016 #16

So, her comments were perfectly acceptable... Lancero Feb 2016 #17

No i think calling gloria steinem a sexist is the most fucking boston bean Feb 2016 #18

I'm talking about the commentary that Gloria made... Lancero Feb 2016 #20

Well, then I suggest you read the post you responded to, so you can respond to what I wrote. boston bean Feb 2016 #28

Seems to me that you're outraged over people calling her on her sexist comment... Lancero Feb 2016 #33

uh huh... boston bean Feb 2016 #34

Yep. Lancero Feb 2016 #38

uh huh.. boston bean Feb 2016 #39

Uh huh. Uh huh. Uh huh cali Feb 2016 #76

Uh huh Bubzer Feb 2016 #81

Uh huh. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #41

Your words. Own them. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #58

I never disowned them. boston bean Feb 2016 #59

Then this makes no sense at all. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #65

Wah???? boston bean Feb 2016 #135

Are you asking a question or choking on something? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #136

I'm choking on something. boston bean Feb 2016 #137

Yeah, you are passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #140

Uh huh. boston bean Feb 2016 #141

There you go...glad you got that out passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #144

Uh huh boston bean Feb 2016 #147

I think that's the sound of finding yourself painted into a corner n/m Hydra Feb 2016 #139

Right. boston bean Feb 2016 #142

Idol worship. Nevermind the reality, anyone who disagrees or dares stand up to your idol or what you cui bono Feb 2016 #145

It's called an opinion. Strong one at that. Deal. boston bean Feb 2016 #146

Yes, a sexist opinion. You'd rather worship Hillary than stand up for feminism. Deal. cui bono Feb 2016 #149

Funny. boston bean Feb 2016 #163

take steinem out and put someone else's name here and you would roguevalley Feb 2016 #126

I too want an answer to this. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #103

Even when she says something incredibly, unbelievably sexist? paleotn Feb 2016 #86

Gloria Steinem is sexist here. roguevalley Feb 2016 #125

I call her an arrogant fool DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #161

so is calling Bernie Sanders a sexist, but that seems to be acceptable by some HRC supporters zazen Feb 2016 #201

They are the future. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #32

They'll learn all about what she fought for if Ted Cruz wins the WH. nt MADem Feb 2016 #47

What is that supposed to mean? Lordquinton Feb 2016 #63

What it means is what I said it means. Try reading without inherent bias. MADem Feb 2016 #75

OK, but what does any of that have to do with Steinaman alienating women? Lordquinton Feb 2016 #165

Her name is Steinem. MADem Feb 2016 #169

Kinda like the way Michael Moore was thrown under the bus? Lordquinton Feb 2016 #173

What does Michael Moore have to do with it, either? MADem Feb 2016 #204

But how does that fit in? Lordquinton Feb 2016 #212

We won't have to worry about that if Bernie wins the primary. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #69

Don't count on that, either--Congress is Republican, and if they ever got enough votes to MADem Feb 2016 #82

Won't matter if it's Bernie or Clinton if that happens. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #91

I think HRC has downticket coattails. I don't think BS does. MADem Feb 2016 #209

Not possible in the Senate.... paleotn Feb 2016 #92

Excuse me? You're going to have to explain that post--I am not taking any point MADem Feb 2016 #207

We know what she fought for, it is Steinem herself, and now Hillary supporters on DU, who have cui bono Feb 2016 #148

I don't presume to speak for girls--or boys. I do know that I wasn't MADem Feb 2016 #171

No one is throwing her under the bus. We are disagreeing with her on these two missteps. cui bono Feb 2016 #175

I wasn't "wink winking." I could lie to you and say I'd never ever--not once as a college student, MADem Feb 2016 #178

Then why mention it? It's kind of like the "some people say..." routine. cui bono Feb 2016 #179

I think it's something an 81 year old would say without even thinking twice about it. MADem Feb 2016 #185

I think you are attempting to diminish what she said, and her insulting 'apology'. cui bono Feb 2016 #187

I do not agree with that assessment. This is not about "accepting" or "not accepting." MADem Feb 2016 #208

Perfect response! Empowerer Feb 2016 #211

+1 betsuni Feb 2016 #191

Exactly... Skidmore Feb 2016 #193

I see so we should credit the womens' movement solely to Gloria Steinem? avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #205

Listen to you! So many strawmen, so little time!!! MADem Feb 2016 #206

I know you won't give a darn, but DaGimpster Feb 2016 #55

Her comment was sexist. Fuck her. 840high Feb 2016 #56

She made a comment you don't like, so "f*ck her?" Empowerer Feb 2016 #121

oh please. let people have their anger on this. She is totally and roguevalley Feb 2016 #127

Why didn't you pick on #4??? 840high Feb 2016 #130

Now don't be silly. #4 was made by a Hillary supporter you sweet, naive thing you. cui bono Feb 2016 #152

Following a conversation helps. It was a response to BB having said "FUCK THEM" to the young women cui bono Feb 2016 #150

I followed the conversation. That's how I know your comment was both obnoxious and inane Empowerer Feb 2016 #158

First of all, it wasn't MY comment. cui bono Feb 2016 #172

did her past entitle her DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #162

Do you agree with her comments? Lordquinton Feb 2016 #60

How dare those lowly snips object to being told they're only cali Feb 2016 #72

A Hillary supporter saying "FUCK THEM" to young women politely expressing their opinions? SMC22307 Feb 2016 #74

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #78

Thats about the size of it. Bubzer Feb 2016 #85

Yup farleftlib Feb 2016 #96

How low will the Hillbros go? nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #115

Oh, they're just getting warmed up. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #117

Can you smell the terror? n/m Hydra Feb 2016 #143

Hillbro! cui bono Feb 2016 #154

I agree with you. She's an icon Arazi Feb 2016 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Feb 2016 #90

I used to look forward to your posts. chervilant Feb 2016 #95

The feeling is mutual. Very sorry to say. boston bean Feb 2016 #116

Well known and admired people make mistakes. creatives4innovation Feb 2016 #97

How is that remark NOT sexist? Could you say it on DU without a hide? nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #114

People like Gloria Steinem are to the women's movement nyabingi Feb 2016 #124

Stay strong nyabingi Arazi Feb 2016 #128

Let them come, and thanks! =) (nt) nyabingi Feb 2016 #157

John Lewis, who, unlike Bernie, really DID march with Dr. King - and went to jail and had his head Empowerer Feb 2016 #166

First off, I wasn't constructing a comparison nyabingi Feb 2016 #195

Your belief that "after having been in Congress for quite a while, {Lewis} has now only made himself Empowerer Feb 2016 #198

Well then tell me how Lewis nyabingi Feb 2016 #202

I'm not your research assistant Empowerer Feb 2016 #210

Haha! That's exactly what I thought nyabingi Feb 2016 #215

yup,pretty sure women can say what they want wendylaroux Feb 2016 #132

I didn't see anyone call Steinem "a sexist" in general, cui bono Feb 2016 #138

is she supposed to be kowtowed to DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #160

You kiss your mother with that mouth? Fairgo Feb 2016 #196

Nice talk. These women have their eyes open and recognize the hypocrisy of H. Clinton rhett o rick Feb 2016 #203

as someone noted on another thread, it was a flip remark on a comedy show cloudythescribbler Feb 2016 #5

a flip SEXIST remark... druidity33 Feb 2016 #180

Wow are you off the mark. cui bono Feb 2016 #181

Implying that young women Aerows Feb 2016 #188

And her "apology" was fine. sheldon Feb 2016 #194

Ouch. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #8

Steinem should be proud that the young women are voting their principles instead of their gender Doctor_J Feb 2016 #10

exactly dana_b Feb 2016 #14

Exactly, but what I see here from some of the more vocal feminists passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #79

yes - the "how DARE anyone criticize Steinem or Clinton" dana_b Feb 2016 #122

.^that 840high Feb 2016 #61

I am a black woman and Steinem's comment is no worse than white liberals arrogantly Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #11

Ain't that the truth? Empowerer Feb 2016 #21

I agree Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #22

Agreed. And I'm only referring to black voters in the collective. There are plenty of black voters Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #29

Cornel West calls our black president names without apology- they defend him and even cheer him on Empowerer Feb 2016 #35

Most of them didn't know who Cornel West was until he started shitting on this president. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #40

Then he became their go-to black person Empowerer Feb 2016 #42

Reminds me of D.L. Hughley: "That's it! Stop counting!" LOL!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #73

If there is a rule that says some people are above criticism then I'd roguevalley Feb 2016 #129

The president is NOT above reproach. But the way he has been (mis)treated is unprecedented. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #170

that part isn't. Going with the pugs to pass the TPP is. roguevalley Feb 2016 #174

He will be regarded as one of the greatest president's who's ever lived. And a lot of white people Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #183

Yeah, if they are already unbalanced to begin with. cui bono Feb 2016 #189

So let me get this straight farleftlib Feb 2016 #43

Of course they can and should express their displeasure Empowerer Feb 2016 #46

I have not seen one post calling names, discounting GS or any of the other things farleftlib Feb 2016 #88

She did not apologize. Read the OP. The young women pointed that out. cui bono Feb 2016 #168

Yes, those women should know their place! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #53

What? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #106

No one is attempting to "destroy her lifetime of contributions". That's quite a stretch. cui bono Feb 2016 #177

I've never seen any of this condescension you speak of. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #87

Of course you haven't. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #118

Did that make you feel better? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #156

Something I would never ever do. So I feel fine saying her comment cali Feb 2016 #111

Note that there are many women Gloria's age DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #15

After a lifetime of busting her ass kicking down doors for these women, Gloria is thrown under the Empowerer Feb 2016 #19

She threw THEM under the goddamn bus. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #23

Oh, get over yourself Empowerer Feb 2016 #25

You first. It was more than a stupid remark. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #27

Consider taking your own advice farleftlib Feb 2016 #30

It's not an apology when she blames them for misunderstanding. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #31

A stupid remark that threw a whole group of voters under the bus.... paleotn Feb 2016 #101

boy that is true wendylaroux Feb 2016 #131

Underthebus... underthebuss... underthebusss... underthebussss! There's that chant again. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #44

Calling someone on a sexist comment is a 'childish tantrum'? Lancero Feb 2016 #45

No, it's not Empowerer Feb 2016 #62

She didn't apologize, she said they misunderstood her adding insult to injury. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #67

See #31 Lancero Feb 2016 #70

She hasn't actually appologized... paleotn Feb 2016 #105

Childish Tantrums now? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #109

I think the remark Steinem made was sexist bluestateguy Feb 2016 #37

Careful, according to some people in this topic... Lancero Feb 2016 #48

Thanks for saying that. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #64

Nader has said dumb things, too. I think some people, while brilliant in many respects, merrily Feb 2016 #49

Re the fig tree thing--quite a few scholars think that is an interpolation eridani Feb 2016 #190

How interesting. Thank you. merrily Feb 2016 #199

It's more than the vagina, Gloria. zentrum Feb 2016 #50

I agree. Well said. jalan48 Feb 2016 #68

Word. 840high Feb 2016 #71

I love sunflowers! zentrum Feb 2016 #89

Me 2 - happy plants. 840high Feb 2016 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #102

Every woman in my family who's zentrum Feb 2016 #151

You really nailed it. eom farleftlib Feb 2016 #108

Could not have said that better passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #110

That's it. zentrum Feb 2016 #153

Hear! Hear! Great post, zentrum! in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #119

Thnx! zentrum Feb 2016 #155

I've said for months that Clinton's campaign was sexist by telling us we should vote for Skwmom Feb 2016 #51

Absolutely. She's setting feminism back 40 years Lorien Feb 2016 #107

"I guess she doesn't care as long as we aren't discussing the real issues" kath Feb 2016 #213

Love Steinem but these millennial women are terrific senz Feb 2016 #54

Well said. polichick Feb 2016 #100

Like so Many people, pontificate and then play the victim when the shit hit's the fan . orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #57

wow looks like her legacy is taking a hit and some don't buy the apology. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #66

First, wasn't it just a joke? Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #77

If it was a joke passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #113

Yes, it was a joke that didn't come off. betsuni Feb 2016 #176

I really hate that she's getting piled on. She really is terrific Arazi Feb 2016 #83

Her life's work has certainly been terriffic. That statement was not n/t eridani Feb 2016 #216

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #84

What a crappy apology mythology Feb 2016 #94

Making a mountain out of a mole hill sheldon Feb 2016 #98

mole hill? DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #159

Steinem's sexist comment was just gross, and her condescending "apology" CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #99

She made a serious mistake in judgment...for whatever reason. She should have apologized. libdem4life Feb 2016 #104

whoa...did she ever step in it! Open mouth, insert foot! in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #112

To all those excusing Ms. Steinem because Duppers Feb 2016 #120

Those are some smart women who sure don't seem like they like whatever the boys lilke. cui bono Feb 2016 #133

These young women are fredamae Feb 2016 #134

This thread needs a Theme Song! Zorra Feb 2016 #164

Steinem is 81 years old Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #167

I think you should put the word "apology" in your title in quotation marks. kath Feb 2016 #182

I considered it.. Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #184

Good point. The comments by women clearly showed that they didn't consider it a real apology. kath Feb 2016 #186

I love much of what she did; but snot Feb 2016 #192