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2016 Postmortem

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EdwardBernays

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Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:23 PM Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders is NOT a Socialist, by ANY definition [View all]

Socialism is defined by the STATE owning the means of production.

That's not what he believes in

Here's what he believes in:

"support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government; and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

That's Bernie.

Socialism on the other hand is this:

"Socialism is a variety of social and economic systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production; as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment. Social ownership may refer to forms of public, cooperative, or collective ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these. Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them, social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."

Bernie DOESN'T believe in that.

Social ownership is NOT the same thing as universal healthcare or building roads.

This is from the Wiki page on Social Ownership:

Misuse of the term

See also: Socialized medicine

Particularly in the United States, the term "socialization" has been mistakenly used to refer to any state or government-operated industry or service (the proper term for such being either nationalization or municipalization). It has also been used to mean any tax-funded programs, whether privately run or government run. The term "socialized" is usually used in a pejorative sense, most commonly in reference to publicly funded health care programs.[43]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ownership#Misuse_of_the_term

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Why has he called himself a Socialist? redstateblues Feb 2016 #1
He has defined it as democratic socialism... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #2
They know the answer HassleCat Feb 2016 #4
words DO have meaning EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #6
As a democratic socialist for 35 years HassleCat Feb 2016 #9
The vice president of the Democratic Socialist of America EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #12
Oh, is that why we endorsed him? HassleCat Feb 2016 #16
Youre confused EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #17
Thanks. I'll fix that. HassleCat Feb 2016 #18
they know. and don't care. just another attempt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #11
they know Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #7
To quote the vice-chair of the Democratic Socialists of America. EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #5
Thank you, EdwardBernays... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #13
He is a Social Democrat. It is very clear. yodermon Feb 2016 #3
+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #10
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Juliet in Romeo and Juliet. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #8
OCT 11 2015, 11:50 AM ET Meet the Press Transcript - October 11, 2015 Gothmog Feb 2016 #14
Democratic Socialists aren't socialists EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #15
Why Bernie Sanders isn’t going to be president, in five words Gothmog Feb 2016 #23
Drop him in water if he floats he's a socialist Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #19
Nor does he believe in dialectical materialism Recursion Feb 2016 #20
it's such an insane argument anyway-- as if "socialist" is such a naughty, dirty thing Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #21
There are lots of Socialisms. According to Richard Wolff, the definition is continually changing. Gregorian Feb 2016 #22
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