2016 Postmortem

beam me up scottie

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104. You're deflecting, how is Bernie the favoured son when Hillary was so far ahead last year?

Reply to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #93)

Tue Feb 9, 2016, 03:40 PM

Feb 2016

If Hillary manages to close the gap and lose by 20% that is a win.

Math is hard. A win means the candidate received the majority of votes.

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Hillary Clinton has been down by 30% in the NH polls. If she loses by 20%, then it is a Hillary WIN. [View all] ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 OP

Meaning you agree that by this standard, Iowa was therefore a Bernie win? villager Feb 2016 #1

Bernie Sanders said that if the turnout was over 170,000 he would win. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #12

Ah, your doesn't-hold-water caveat was at the ready. villager Feb 2016 #22

BERNIE WON IOWA IN A LANDSLIDE, THEN!!!! John Poet Feb 2016 #78

didn't you see Bern Your Enthusiasm? 6chars Feb 2016 #141

Yep catnhatnh Feb 2016 #14

Ist they say that if she loses by single digits its a win, now its a win if she loses by 20 -29%. Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #178

Bless your heart Fumesucker Feb 2016 #2

On my report cards in elementary school, they would give me an A for effort :). nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #9

Home school? frylock Feb 2016 #164

+1 AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #52

LOL Wig Master Feb 2016 #3

Hillary should be winning in NH, it's her 6th time campaigning statewide there Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #4

Bernie Sanders is a favored son of NH. He is family. He should be winning at least by 30%. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #7

Then why was she up 40-50%... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #18

No one pays attention to politics back then as they do now. Right now is the moment of truth. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #29

Except you claimed Sanders was their "favored son". jeff47 Feb 2016 #41

I am just stating the facts of what I have seen from the polls. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #54

"Favored son" is not a fact. jeff47 Feb 2016 #60

I hope she "wins" every race Go Vols Feb 2016 #69

LOL - perfect. nt cyberswede Feb 2016 #190

All hogwash. NH is more influenced by Mass. than Vermont. lob1 Feb 2016 #46

Prove that. Surely you have evidence of such an outlandish claim? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #57

You are from Vermont. You should be supporting my views. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #65

Why would I support you when all you do is post hit pieces about Bernie? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #73

My evidence is the polls. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #80

The ones that showed Hillary was the favoured "daughter" last year? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #84

We are in the moment of now. What the polls are saying is that Bernie is up by nearly 30% ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #93

You're deflecting, how is Bernie the favoured son when Hillary was so far ahead last year? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #104

It is not! She said she won with a .02...now you say she will bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #106

"We are in the moment of now." frylock Feb 2016 #167

Spin and make stuff up! Rinse and repeat. cali Feb 2016 #109

Shouldn't you be listening to the Vermonter? LoveIsNow Feb 2016 #110

Live free or die is their motto 6chars Feb 2016 #144

Yep, I'm a native Vermonter, other than geography we have little in common. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #145

another vermonter has ever won nh. karynnj Feb 2016 #92

Bzzt. Just for you: cali Feb 2016 #105

Already debunked. I've lived in NH 40 years. No love lost elias49 Feb 2016 #122

as a former governor of NH, he should have a lock 6chars Feb 2016 #143

As a former governor of NH? frylock Feb 2016 #168

I assume very well done satire. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #179

Hard to ell anymore. frylock Feb 2016 #180

Born in NYC, and moved to Vermont.. frylock Feb 2016 #166

Clearly. frylock Feb 2016 #165

The social media I have been seeing itsrobert Feb 2016 #5

Ummmm.....satire, I hope? n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #6

So Sanders won Iowa? jeff47 Feb 2016 #8

Sanders's campaign said they would win Iowa if they had a turnout of over 170k. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #16

Yet you are claiming a 20% loss is a win, but a 0.2% loss is a loss. jeff47 Feb 2016 #23

I'm basing my opinions on facts. The facts say that Bernie should at least win more than 30%. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #25

"Facts" like 20% is smaller than 0.2%? jeff47 Feb 2016 #28

Thank god for the mcpick two at mcdonalds. Saves me a lot of money. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #35

Nah, you'd have me paying $200 for that. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #36

I think I'm seeing part of the issue here. frylock Feb 2016 #170

Bwahaha.you don't even know the difference between fact and opinion cali Feb 2016 #113

Link, please, I think you've mixed up facts with your opinion. lob1 Feb 2016 #152

She was up by over 50 a year ago. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #10

Our last 3 elected Presidents all lost the New Hampshire primary. randome Feb 2016 #34

Run with that. frylock Feb 2016 #171

Every Clinton delegate is a Clinton win. Orsino Feb 2016 #11

This is serious???? Coming from people who'd beat you on the head with a 0.2% win... no thank you. thereismore Feb 2016 #13

Bernie Sanders's campaign said if the turnout in Iowa was 170k, he would win. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #37

Link to 170k statement please. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #43

Link to that quote from Bernie or it's nothing but bull cali Feb 2016 #115

I finally get it. This is Third Way Manny level stuff. LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #15

I'd ask my doctor about that. n/t Wilms Feb 2016 #17

I have a clean bill of health. Ok, I lied, my blood pressure is a bit up, but I am healthy. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #39

baloney; that poll was an outlier. half a dozen other respected polls had Bernie up 10-15% in the magical thyme Feb 2016 #19

Can you stop spinning the facts. They have been multiple of polls that had Sanders's leading ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #44

Actually... DUbeornot2be Feb 2016 #88

Link. It's not like I have any reason to simply take your word for it cali Feb 2016 #116

multiple = 2: CNN/WMUR & Lowel 7/UMass. 7 other pollsters range +7 to +16 magical thyme Feb 2016 #133

Am I on Star Trek? What freakin' parallel universe did I enter between the IA and NH primaries? nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #20

Even if Bernie wins by 25, they still wont shut up. It is what it is:) litlbilly Feb 2016 #40

Bernie Sander's campaign said that is Iowa's turnout was above 170K, they would win. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #45

Link. cali Feb 2016 #118

Link? Proof? Dawgs Feb 2016 #120

What a lovely spin, almost as good sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #21

Oh my Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #24

This is sarcasm, yes? thucythucy Feb 2016 #26

I am just stating the facts. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #48

If not sarcasm, then maybe performance art? thucythucy Feb 2016 #49

It's not quite up to Random Thoughts level. He'll never get beer and travel money at this rate. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #68

If you lose, Go Vols Feb 2016 #90

i am pretty sure you're right. 6chars Feb 2016 #146

Lol. Iowa margin of +.05% = win nt lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #27

.25 cali Feb 2016 #119

It doesn't work that way. morningfog Feb 2016 #30

Drunk? Nt Logical Feb 2016 #31

Yeah, that Hillary Clinton., choie Feb 2016 #32

Delusional. Utter nonsense. closeupready Feb 2016 #33

Okidoki, if you say so. wow can you guys get any funnier? litlbilly Feb 2016 #38

It's performance art. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #66

Funnier by the day! Matariki Feb 2016 #42

At the least she should get a participation trophy. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #47

This is how Sanders surrogates do Primary math, so why not. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #50

The op is a Hillary supporter so I guess that means it's how you guys do math. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #55

I think it's pretty obvious from my reply that I'm aware of that. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #58

Then why bring up Bernie supporters? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #63

Nope. Bernie supporters may say that a .25 margin is cali Feb 2016 #123

So if Hillary loses the primary by 30% of the delegates, does she still win? Jarqui Feb 2016 #51

I don't think any Democrat has won NH by more than 17% leftupnorth Feb 2016 #53

So, a 20 point lead by Bernie would not only be a massive win, it would be HISTORIC? n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #140

Yup! leftupnorth Feb 2016 #148

What a moronic viewpoint. Wasted space. nm floriduck Feb 2016 #56

Bwahaha. Priceless to see the desperate spinning. Love, cali Feb 2016 #59

cali, you of all people should be supporting my view. You are from Vermont. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #70

Killing a bullshit Clinton meme: Bernie Sanders Is No Favorite Son cali Feb 2016 #74

Can you give me a TLDR? nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #81

If Bernie Wins NH, it will be despite his coming from VT, not because of it cali Feb 2016 #76

Can you give me a TLDR. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #82

I don't know. What is it? cali Feb 2016 #89

It means basically if you could summarize your post in a sentence or two. It's from reddit. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #96

I didn't realize you had problems reading cali Feb 2016 #126

Allow me.. frylock Feb 2016 #172

it's an acronym for Too Long Didn't Read. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #107

Whether it's by .2% or 20% a loss is still a loss. nt JeffHead Feb 2016 #61

Bernie's campaign said that if the turnout in Iowa was 170k, he would win. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #71

Link to your claim. cali Feb 2016 #129

But Hillary winning by .02% (.0002 margin) Aerows Feb 2016 #62

Bernie's campaign said that if the turnout in Iowa was 170k, he would win. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #72

You're repeating yourself ad nauseum... k8conant Feb 2016 #103

People are asking and making the same points over and over. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #111

NOT that I've seen.. k8conant Feb 2016 #121

Several people, including me, want to see a link to your lob1 Feb 2016 #161

You're incapable of substantiating your "facts" frylock Feb 2016 #173

Post a link to your claim. Now. cali Feb 2016 #130

So what do you think about Aerows Feb 2016 #184

The star known as Sol will come up tomorrow... HILLARY WINS! cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #64

Hilly lost a 40 point lead there cali Feb 2016 #67

We are living in the moment of now. The polls have Bernie up by nearly 30% ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #75

Deflect. Spin. Deflect. Spin. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam. cali Feb 2016 #94

cali, can you at least agree with me that Bernie is expected to win NH comfortably? nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #102

Looking for the sarcasm tag. OH CRAP! YOU'RE SERIOUS! R. P. McMurphy Feb 2016 #77

This is satire, right? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #79

You're right! MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #147

Ignore this comment senz Feb 2016 #149

Did I do a "no-no"? MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #154

It's okay, they deleted the OP senz Feb 2016 #156

Irony and self-awareness are just lost on you guys, aren't they? Kall Feb 2016 #83

If Bernie Wins NH, it will be despite his coming from VT, not because of it cali Feb 2016 #85

LOL, I thought of preparing a response to this, and then I thought-- TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #86

forum question LAS14 Feb 2016 #87

n/t or nt means "no text." It is so you don't have to open the post and can just read the subject FSogol Feb 2016 #99

its supposed to mean "no text" Go Vols Feb 2016 #117

you think the average SC or NV voter is paying attention to every single NH poll? LSK Feb 2016 #91

Beyond ridiculous! Punkingal Feb 2016 #95

Keep dreamin' InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #97

Then the Panthers must have won the Super Bowl The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #98

Bwahaha. Nearly 100 responses and one lonely rec. cali Feb 2016 #100

I usually don't rec my own threads. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #108

Here are the facts. I have two recs. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #114

Ooh. When I posted, you had one. Your parody thread is much cali Feb 2016 #135

New Hampshire is not friendly ground for someone from Vermont Bad Thoughts Feb 2016 #101

The hill folk have flipped thier lids... bowens43 Feb 2016 #112

Lol. Just listen to yourself. pa28 Feb 2016 #124

Uuuuh Press Virginia Feb 2016 #125

Don't feed this person SheenaR Feb 2016 #127

People are saying that I am just repeating myself, so this will be the last post I make ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #128

1 poll SheenaR Feb 2016 #150

In bizarro land .. TBF Feb 2016 #131

Did her campaign direct you to post this. RDANGELO Feb 2016 #132

And unicorns are real, too. HERVEPA Feb 2016 #134

Hillary spin wouldn't fool a 4th grader! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #136

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #137

So let me get this straight... ljm2002 Feb 2016 #138

lol...I've seen some spinning but now a double digit loss is a victory? EndElectoral Feb 2016 #139

When that "Hillary up by 30%" poll came out, I was jubilant, but others were saying 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #142

Here's a poll with her at 74% in NH jfern Feb 2016 #151

And if Sanders wins by just 10%, seppuku would be the only honorable option mhatrw Feb 2016 #153

I just had to come back to this thread, it's such a hoot. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #155

ridiculous dana_b Feb 2016 #157

So I Guess Jim Webb SDJay Feb 2016 #158

Gee, Bernie was down by 33% in Iowa Lorien Feb 2016 #159

Maybe Dewey really did defeat Truman. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #160

Just bring on the more diverse states, please. IA and NH are not representative... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #162

Today in batshit crazy land... frylock Feb 2016 #163

Bernie was down in Iowa by 30%, so what is his losing by 0.25%? n/t Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #169

win by losing. thats the dncs motto now right? elehhhhna Feb 2016 #174

Sigh. And now we enter the realm of everybody is silly. bravenak Feb 2016 #175

Not really. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #176

Logic is not on your side. seaotter Feb 2016 #177

Hillary led New Hampshire by 5% in December 2015 and started with a 40+% lead hoosierlib Feb 2016 #181

by that logic Bernie won in Iowa lame54 Feb 2016 #182

It's looking like Clinton cannot even pull that off. *Win-by-losing-only-20%*!!! JimDandy Feb 2016 #183

Kicking for the lulz frylock Feb 2016 #185

No, the stinging loss is Hillary getting WHUPPED... SMC22307 Feb 2016 #186

Well, even by your ridiculous metric-- HILLARY LOSES. John Poet Feb 2016 #187

I had written off IA and NH. Beacool Feb 2016 #188

What a joke. Fearless Feb 2016 #189