2016 Postmortem

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115. ^^This^^

Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:17 PM

Feb 2016

I think different people describe the qualities they see in her and in her behavior in different ways.

She was ignorant about Korea too. When Bernie named that as our biggest current threat, and he explained why, she scoffed. But then within about day of that, N. Korea shot off a ballistic missile. One that could carry a nuclear warhead.

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Slate:"Why Do Young People Have Such Visceral Dislike for Hillary?" [View all] Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP

It's women of all ages. Hun Joro Feb 2016 #1

true, well, at least for me. Karma13612 Feb 2016 #124

I think she personifies the passive-aggressive mother, supervisor, teacher we've all come to despise Stardust Feb 2016 #2

Whoa. Interesting admission on your part. I remember reading that men often cannot handle bettyellen Feb 2016 #7

DU has the most amazing armchair psychiatrists and Ph.D.'s here. closeupready Feb 2016 #11

this poster assumes "we've all come to despise" many good women in our lives?!?! LOL. bettyellen Feb 2016 #19

And many people resent guys who remiond them of mean Dads, bosses and drill sergeants Armstead Feb 2016 #70

you mean "passive aggressive" Dads, LOL. I think the obvious connection in that list is obvious. bettyellen Feb 2016 #77

Exactly. And it's so personal. How is she different from Kerry? (And he's a multi-millionaire, too) deurbano Feb 2016 #165

Bernie was just saying the same- Dems will HAVE to come together soon. You hit the nail on bettyellen Feb 2016 #168

The poster opened themselves up to it pretty nicely ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #126

Especially amazing that they can also diagnose someone's gender from that... regnaD kciN Feb 2016 #181

Too bad I never did guess a gender. Diagnose? WTF does that mean, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2016 #198

I've had women supervisors that were competent and I've had some hobbit709 Feb 2016 #18

Have you "come to despise" multiple women who just happened to be in a more powerful bettyellen Feb 2016 #20

Only the incompetent and greedy ones. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #24

How many young students know how "greedy" their teachers are? Their bosses? bettyellen Feb 2016 #31

A long time ago I learned to recognize those hobbit709 Feb 2016 #35

When you were a child- or student in school? LOL- pretending there is no context is hilarious.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #38

By the time I was 16, since I'm 65 now, it was a long time ago. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #41

I don't agree with you it is normal to "despise" multiple women and think that has bettyellen Feb 2016 #52

Is that what you remember reading? pangaia Feb 2016 #32

When someone admits despising many women in power.....I believe them. bettyellen Feb 2016 #42

Baloney. zentrum Feb 2016 #33

I don't assume anything other than they deeply resented women in control- so much so, bettyellen Feb 2016 #55

Gee, I don't zentrum Feb 2016 #117

Elizabeth Warren is deeply unknown. No one knows why the fuck she was a republican.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #122

No, the Republicans were at their zentrum Feb 2016 #141

the Republicans of the 80s were hateful bigots and that matters to many. bettyellen Feb 2016 #148

Whoa. zentrum Feb 2016 #163

sorry, but life is too complicated to solve with one easy trick. bettyellen Feb 2016 #166

..+1 840high Feb 2016 #130

female here greymouse Feb 2016 #62

do you think "we have all come to despise" moms, teachers and female bosses though? bettyellen Feb 2016 #69

Not all... Glamrock Feb 2016 #160

^^This^^ zentrum Feb 2016 #115

Whoa. First of all, I'm female and Hillary's age. To interpret my comment that I hate all women in Stardust Feb 2016 #100

I never guessed your sex. You imagined "most of us despise many women" they have known. bettyellen Feb 2016 #108

You are so far off base, I don't know where to begin. Look up ther definition of passive-aggressive Stardust Feb 2016 #114

You are off base when you imagine all this despising of women. That shit is not healthy- sorry. bettyellen Feb 2016 #118

No, your caricature of another poster is off-base. jeff47 Feb 2016 #197

Thanks for womansplain' that roaminronin Feb 2016 #175

I think you're on to something. Vinca Feb 2016 #13

WOW. More mommy issues over here. bettyellen Feb 2016 #21

That's very true. Vinca Feb 2016 #185

Oops. I'm sure bettyellen is very sad about haranguing you with her LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #203

Well, my mother was great but I've known plenty of crones. nt Stardust Feb 2016 #101

See my comment below. zentrum Feb 2016 #34

LOL, as I read I saw the picture of her waving her finger in the jwirr Feb 2016 #51

I've seen the video, and it's breathtakingly arrogant SheilaT Feb 2016 #89

She needs to work on her care-actor. Stardust Feb 2016 #103

For me and for what it's worth swilton Feb 2016 #54

Thank you for your comment. Stardust Feb 2016 #105

Manipulative, condescending... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #74

Oh boy, did you sum it up. Stardust Feb 2016 #107

Insincere, artificial, saccharine, cancer, warmonger, republican-lite? VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #191

Women are used to having male candidates remind them of their fathers pnwmom Feb 2016 #111

Um, no. She has no populist message noiretextatique Feb 2016 #186

Where are the TRANSCRIPTS HILLARY?????? Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #3

cuz she's a one percenter? ViseGrip Feb 2016 #4

Young people are rebellious and anti-establishment cosmicone Feb 2016 #5

When will Hillary tell her supporters to stop attacking millenials? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #6

like they are "low info" voters with "stockholm syndrome"? LOL. Okay. bettyellen Feb 2016 #8

That's exactly what they're saying, very astute of you! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #12

That Op was written about POC, and got loads of recs from Berners - but please proceed.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #26

And yet you guys are doing the same thing to millenials and especially young women. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #28

Good point - I had a 840high Feb 2016 #132

They need to start calling out their associates, the things they said were cruel. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #136

I saw Albright say something stupid, but DUers not so much. OTOH, I saw DUers say stupid shit that bettyellen Feb 2016 #170

Then you need to read more, bettyellen, they've been saying stupid things since before Albright. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #171

No thanks, I am pretty much done after the wishing Billl dead thread. If that gross bettyellen Feb 2016 #172

Cognitive dissonance: ur doin it rite beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #173

Didn't you see what Bettyellen was doing literally just upthread? VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #192

Those who have become staunch Bernie supporters cosmicone Feb 2016 #9

Very good, that's exactly the problem I'm talking about. You get a cookie too. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #16

The only manipulating going on farleftlib Feb 2016 #10

Well, that's a winning strategy. Old Crow Feb 2016 #17

And then wonder why they don't support your candidate. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #22

Let's be honest- will they vote in the midterms or be pissed off the revolution didn't happen? bettyellen Feb 2016 #36

From your question, it's pretty clear you think they won't vote in the midterms. Old Crow Feb 2016 #43

I'm curious about when this was true? 20-somethings have changed the course of U.S. politics before. bettyellen Feb 2016 #49

Here are a few topics to Google to bring yourself up to speed. Old Crow Feb 2016 #66

Interesting- the Boomers are slammed here repeatedly, but at least you are trying to bettyellen Feb 2016 #82

Boomers are slammed for what they did after their 20s. jeff47 Feb 2016 #199

I had read it was "the greatest" that put Reagan in power. And that shit snowballed bettyellen Feb 2016 #200

The media takeover was in the 1990s. jeff47 Feb 2016 #201

the fight against the Fairness Doctrine started in the 80's, which laid ground for bettyellen Feb 2016 #205

They overwhelmingly understand that bernie cali Feb 2016 #47

If only the average voter was a Redditor! But they aren't. bettyellen Feb 2016 #56

Uhm actually - reddit is insanely popular. Mother Of Four Feb 2016 #106

I know- but now post the demographics and do that math! bettyellen Feb 2016 #109

Post the demographics and do the math? Mother Of Four Feb 2016 #121

I have been a Reddit reader for many years, LOL. It's mostly young white men- in case you hadn't bettyellen Feb 2016 #123

LOL. There's a lot of women on there - even some older ones. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #209

Dat ain't the establishment. lol You clearly don't get it. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #27

Tell me more about me, please!!! Krytan11c Feb 2016 #30

Winning comment. Old Crow Feb 2016 #71

Thanks old crow!! Krytan11c Feb 2016 #92

Millennial Here! gelatinous cube Feb 2016 #45

hi low-post count person cosmicone Feb 2016 #65

Classic. frylock Feb 2016 #129

Generally, newbies who post like pros cosmicone Feb 2016 #133

I'll take that as a compliment n/t gelatinous cube Feb 2016 #155

You were never low post? How special. 840high Feb 2016 #135

Over the years I have suffered losses here at DU chknltl Feb 2016 #167

Welcome to DU. Thank you for your input. think Feb 2016 #78

Happy to be here n/t gelatinous cube Feb 2016 #84

Your username brings me back to Nethack days Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #161

I'm the mother of a couple of Millennials, and you've SheilaT Feb 2016 #96

Excellent post!! Blus4u Feb 2016 #156

Well said. Welcome to the Democratic Underground chknltl Feb 2016 #162

Wow, more ageist condescending screeds about "those dumn kids" by Hillary supporters. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #59

Perhaps it has something to do with Clinton's supporters Bettie Feb 2016 #79

I find posts like this, that claim Hillary is not establishment, are incredible. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #85

So her time as a board member of Walmart and as "co-president" gave her no ties the establishment Chakab Feb 2016 #125

but youngins have another trait - they hate studying. DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #127

Bernie more establishment??? 1 thing you should know, though... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #138

Community vs Narcissism roaminronin Feb 2016 #178

Your candidate sucks: young people know it noiretextatique Feb 2016 #187

Oh good, more Hillaryites attacking young people LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #204

They want a better future loyalsister Feb 2016 #14

Young people are less tolerant of hypocrisy, it really rankles them Fumesucker Feb 2016 #15

The definition of feminism has changed. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #23

Thanks for the definition and great links Cassidy Feb 2016 #58

For me, retrowire Feb 2016 #25

Interesting that more than half of the Bernie people I know have never voted before. bettyellen Feb 2016 #37

Most of the Bernie supporters I know have been voting for 30-40 years or so, if not longer. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #61

I have a good friend who is really smart, but hates Hillary's personality... bettyellen Feb 2016 #67

Well (let me drop this here) ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #63

But we have people proudly admitting Mommy issues! bettyellen Feb 2016 #73

Must have missed that one. LOL. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #87

apparently "we've all come to despise passive aggressive moms, teachers and supervisors" bettyellen Feb 2016 #91

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #95

It blows my mind that no one else said "Nope- not hating on a long list of women who bettyellen Feb 2016 #97

Check Dr. Frist's diagnosis upthread. frylock Feb 2016 #131

Are you saying that you want people not to vote, only if they support SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #68

Nope, I am saying I am cynical about young people staying engaged past Bernie's bettyellen Feb 2016 #72

I think, the habit will remain if I see a system that actually works for me. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #86

But how many years is it before we can redraw the congressional districts? There is no quick fix. bettyellen Feb 2016 #94

Indeed. retrowire Feb 2016 #99

Yeah, I wish I had more faith there will be a sustained effort. I volunteered for Super Tuesday... bettyellen Feb 2016 #104

I call bs. It's intellectual. Viscera have nothing to do with it, until merrily Feb 2016 #29

^^THIS^^ farleftlib Feb 2016 #39

well you have people upthread likening her to a "mean mommy or teacher" so yeah.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #60

Thank you Dr. Frist. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #202

Her use of the Ostrich Defense resulted in Bill's impeachment Divernan Feb 2016 #40

EVERYTHING THE REPUBLICANS EVER DID IS THE CLINTONS' FAULT!!!! bettyellen Feb 2016 #64

Maybe they don't see it as a popularity contest.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #44

I don't think it is dislike Bettie Feb 2016 #46

It saves time. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #48

Triangulation, flipFlopping, Lies..... Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #50

The "I'm a woman, so vote for me" isn't going over all that well. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #53

because the corruption is so blatant and shameless amborin Feb 2016 #57

She's like the tea party uncle at thanksgiving dinner Fearless Feb 2016 #75

That is an ageist based assumption... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #76

After reading the nasty comments about them from her supporters I'm starting to think it's them. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #80

Not so much a dislike of Hillary as a dislike of LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #81

I think it's because she's perceived as being a phony. jalan48 Feb 2016 #83

She just comes across as just another self-entitled oligarch that is only slightly more Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #88

Definitely my mommy issues IronLionZion Feb 2016 #90

I would not call it Mommy issues Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #93

Yep, I think there is an assumption that the youth are immune to that sort of stereotyping.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #116

She's not the "cool mom." Atman Feb 2016 #98

Wow, you are on to something. bettyellen Feb 2016 #113

We all knew them when we were teens. Atman Feb 2016 #140

There is something deeply primal and stupid about those connections. bettyellen Feb 2016 #145

It's been a long time since I was young... Atman Feb 2016 #146

What's sad is she would have to be a younger and slimmer lady, soft pedaling it all bettyellen Feb 2016 #150

I totally understand. Atman Feb 2016 #153

Yeah, I get it. I was amazed my friend just felt the Bern in the last month- previously her BF bettyellen Feb 2016 #157

She is not appealing...period. noiretextatique Feb 2016 #188

Lack of rapport (nt) Babel_17 Feb 2016 #102

E S T A B L I S H M E N T NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #110

I agree ejbr Feb 2016 #144

People thought they were voting for Change with Obama. This time NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #149

Because... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #112

As a middle-aged person, I have a visceral dislike for Hillary because Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #119

..+1 840high Feb 2016 #139

"Bernie Sanders, as flawed as he might be" Matariki Feb 2016 #120

In short, they see Hillary as the SOS which has not been good for many of us. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #128

Her deplorable low-down ugly campaign tactics of 2008 gyroscope Feb 2016 #134

Establishment. Young voters don't want the status quo davidn3600 Feb 2016 #137

All Older People I See That Detest Her billhicks76 Feb 2016 #142

A lot of old people listen to Rush Limbaugh ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #147

I feel like the only person on DU who actually knows a mix of supporters of all ages. bettyellen Feb 2016 #152

My parents are 82 and support Hillary ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #154

honestly, there are many people I am afraid to ask- I don't want to hear it- LOL. bettyellen Feb 2016 #159

Have You No Shame? billhicks76 Feb 2016 #158

That's what you got from my reply? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #164

Are you tripping? Who brought up Bernie here-- YOU, not the other poster. bettyellen Feb 2016 #169

Just Being Real billhicks76 Feb 2016 #184

So you think it is trolls posting all the links to Breibart, Rush and RW trash here? bettyellen Feb 2016 #194

Because they don't pay bills. jeff47 Feb 2016 #143

Insane eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #189

If by "pay the bills" we're talking about paying the price for the thievery involved in the econ ... Babel_17 Feb 2016 #207

Like Colbert said, he doesn't trust young people ... (wait for it, lol) Babel_17 Feb 2016 #208

She is not a good candidate. Not likable IMO. nt Logical Feb 2016 #151

+1000 the bottom line noiretextatique Feb 2016 #190

She gives off a strong whiff of "phony" with deep undertones of "ego." senz Feb 2016 #174

Its simple.. they don't trust her yourout Feb 2016 #176

This "old Democrat" shares that visceral dislike... DebbieCDC Feb 2016 #177

Young people know we are out of time. Do it now or never. They get it. And Sanders knows it also. glinda Feb 2016 #179

The Wizard of Oz called. He wants his straw man back. Hekate Feb 2016 #180

corporate war monger djfm Feb 2016 #182

What "Hillary trolls" are those? I'm confused. marble falls Feb 2016 #196

Hillary is the political equivalent of a corset. mhatrw Feb 2016 #183

Big Brands are in trouble. Politics are no exception. GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #193

Shes a Mcdonald's Big Mac. Cheap, filling, easy to understand and lousy for you in the long term. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #195

It's her constant evolving when it is self-serving. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #206