2016 Postmortem

whatthehey

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45. Every other developed democracy manages to do healthcare better than us

Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:54 PM

Feb 2016

If it were impossible, how are the Canadians, French, British etc doing it? Why do I care if I pay 500 a month to Cigna or to the government for a start, even if there are NO savings (an absurdity; simply negotiating pharma prices would save billions)? Tax is a dirty word only for fools. I care about my wallet as much as most. I don't however care about whether spend from that wallet is marked "tax" or "premium".

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Democrats Reject Bernie Sanders� Plan To Raise Taxes [View all] Alfresco Feb 2016 OP

I think you mean Plutocrats n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #1

No, that is your definition. The article clearly states Democrats. :-) Alfresco Feb 2016 #4

And because the article says it.... daleanime Feb 2016 #12

Yes, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is a Democrat. Are you missing something? Alfresco Feb 2016 #25

And a Plutocrat whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #29

Well, I guess I didn't get the memo.... daleanime Feb 2016 #38

So am I and I'll gladly pay hundreds more in taxes to save thousands by not Fawke Em Feb 2016 #81

Naw, their Plutocrats Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #41

Oddly, it didn't seem so "rejected" by voters last night. villager Feb 2016 #48

+1 deutsey Feb 2016 #30

This! Pelosi is out of touch! scscholar Feb 2016 #54

funny enid602 Feb 2016 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author KingFlorez Feb 2016 #2

So you would rather spent much more on health care... daleanime Feb 2016 #16

Thank you very much KingFlorez Feb 2016 #19

Disapprove, no.... daleanime Feb 2016 #27

I don't need anything KingFlorez Feb 2016 #46

Transfer in insurance costs? Fawke Em Feb 2016 #90

time to primary the establishment candidates and toss them out on thier asses bowens43 Feb 2016 #3

The Republicans would love that. Alfresco Feb 2016 #7

Not as much as they love the Democratic party abandoning the fair taxation platform. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #11

You really think Pelosi's D+34 district is in danger of falling to a Republican? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #75

If you read post #3 carefully it is plural. No Nancy will leave on her terms. Alfresco Feb 2016 #80

If you read last night's election results jeff47 Feb 2016 #83

So you did read post #3 carefully, again. Alfresco Feb 2016 #86

You can't manage to read all the posts pointing out this is a 2-week-old repeat. jeff47 Feb 2016 #91

So raising taxes on the middle class no longer matters? Alfresco Feb 2016 #99

So 2.2% tax on income with no Health Insurance premiums INdemo Feb 2016 #104

yes, yes!! n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #8

EXACTLY!!! jham123 Feb 2016 #37

He quotes Hillary shill Pelosi. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #5

and she somehow is 'Democrats". This site always has garbage articles m-lekktor Feb 2016 #17

So many right wing talking points being spewed here since Bernie got in the way of the coronation. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #24

Since when is Nancy Pelosi right wing? You people are a hoot! Alfresco Feb 2016 #34

I do hope you guys get that straw at wholesale prices. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #36

I do believe I have struck a nerve. :-)) Alfresco Feb 2016 #47

Yep, liberals do hate right wing talking points. But kudos for recycling! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #51

Or is raising taxes on the middle class something the Sanders supporters want to keep quiet? Alfresco Feb 2016 #53

Nah, we just prefer to put all the facts on the table. Nuance is hard. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #55

Seems to me you berners attack anyone who puts forth facts and reality. Alfresco Feb 2016 #61

Of course it "seems" that way to you. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #62

They are promises Bernie is making that he knows good and well he can't keep. Alfresco Feb 2016 #63

You struck the mother lode of bullshit. frylock Feb 2016 #65

No doubt about that. You read all the berners responses to my post. Alfresco Feb 2016 #66

You're really not very good at this. frylock Feb 2016 #69

Or is it you? Alfresco Feb 2016 #74

Another "I know you are but what am I" retort. frylock Feb 2016 #94

You might want to be more precise with your posts. One could misconstrue your meaning. :-) Alfresco Feb 2016 #97

More rapier wit! frylock Feb 2016 #103

She has been a great leader for the Democratic Party. :-) Alfresco Feb 2016 #28

She's protecting her bank account. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #33

THIS Democrat doesn't. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #6

Looks like we need to primary a few more corporatists. Xipe Totec Feb 2016 #9

we sure the hell do! kath Feb 2016 #32

I have been dying for a primary challenge to my rep and both senators for YEARS! arcane1 Feb 2016 #82

Funny to watch the masks fall aside, and the RW ideas being supported by 'Democrats' as Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #10

...and people will ask what the money is for and then people will start looking into a plan that... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #13

We're tired of top-down governing. You don't get a voice, we do. Gregorian Feb 2016 #14

Sanders' agenda includes raising taxes on the wealthy. Orsino Feb 2016 #15

That's not "Democrats"! That's just Nancy Pelosi. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #18

Not THIS Democrat. RiverLover Feb 2016 #20

Cool article that was already posted 2 weeks ago SheenaR Feb 2016 #21

See post #40 Alfresco Feb 2016 #42

See post #21. frylock Feb 2016 #68

1%ers and Their Tools Reject Bernie Sanders Plan to Raise Taxes. 99Forever Feb 2016 #22

Pelosi's taxes go up if Snaders prevails. Wilms Feb 2016 #23

Ha! Any tax increase would miss me by a mile. ^^^ Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #35

OLD article from 13 days ago, already posted here at least once.You people sure are good at kath Feb 2016 #26

Sometimes certain people need constant refocusing. :-) Alfresco Feb 2016 #40

So refocus on your own time. frylock Feb 2016 #71

... Alfresco Feb 2016 #76

****BERNIE SANDER'S PLAN WOULD SAVE MY FAMILY $4,500 per year**** CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #31

Thank you!! dana_b Feb 2016 #78

So are you self employed? INdemo Feb 2016 #93

I am self employed; hubby is not. CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #95

Bernie Wants to increase taxes by over 100% kennetha Feb 2016 #39

Every other developed democracy manages to do healthcare better than us whatthehey Feb 2016 #45

What "real change" is Hillary going to make? On what issues is she going to get the LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #58

Prove it. frylock Feb 2016 #72

If you want to see where Bernie gets the money from, check these two links thesquanderer Feb 2016 #89

This is old news. No use squeezing it every couple of weeks. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #43

See post #40 Alfresco Feb 2016 #49

See post #43. frylock Feb 2016 #73

I remember when a candidate could not talk about doing anything to Social Security redstatebluegirl Feb 2016 #44

lots of truth here. one_voice Feb 2016 #87

Against a $1,000 raise in taxes vs. a $6,000 insurance premium? Vinca Feb 2016 #50

How's that working out for Nancy? CentralMass Feb 2016 #52

He threatens the corporate goose that lays the golden eggs AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #56

He's making promises he knows he can't keep. Alfresco Feb 2016 #57

What promises is Hillary making that she is going to keep? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #59

if we help him, if we FIGHT for it, it can happen dana_b Feb 2016 #84

The Establishment Strikes Back. Playing now at a cocktail party near you. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #60

Yeah but since they are all elected officials who were elected to serve us, the people retrowire Feb 2016 #64

Anyone can throw out office Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #67

Nancy "Impeachment is Off the Table" Pelosi is an embarassment and should KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #70

The leader of the establishment has spoken. basselope Feb 2016 #77

And Pelosi speaks for all Democrats... NiteOwl1 Feb 2016 #79

The republicans are praying they get to workinclasszero Feb 2016 #85

Yep, they are giddy at the thought of Bernie being the nominee. Alfresco Feb 2016 #88

They can face it now.... or later, but it is inevitable NiteOwl1 Feb 2016 #92

I can't wait to hear Pelosi tell Sanders NO!!! Waaa!!! After he is elected President. jillan Feb 2016 #96

You can wait. Alfresco Feb 2016 #98

Where is the part that people would no longer pay insurance premiums and would net $5,000 in savings Samantha Feb 2016 #100

The voters need to set them straight. SalviaBlue Feb 2016 #101

Congressional Dems have always been legislated from fear so how his this news? LSK Feb 2016 #102

If you are to use a link find something that is credible INdemo Feb 2016 #105

AND This Is New WHY??? We Already KNOW What Our ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #107