2016 Postmortem

jeff47

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13. "There's more work to do" is bashing?

Reply to bravenak (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:17 AM

Feb 2016

Are you really arguing we're in a utopia at the moment?

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Can Bernie Bash Obama's Record and Still Win Black Votes? [View all] bravenak Feb 2016 OP

Two questions: Bonobo Feb 2016 #1

Ok bravenak Feb 2016 #2

Fine. Bonobo Feb 2016 #4

1. Yes, when the criticism is full of petulant half truths like West and 2. He hasn't won more than uponit7771 Feb 2016 #5

Well... MrWendel Feb 2016 #7

Seeing what happened to Allison Grimes... nope, not at all... she ran away from Obama too and uponit7771 Feb 2016 #3

Its funny how they refuse to see that bravenak Feb 2016 #22

+1, Technically in the DNC demographics blacks and Hispanics hit critical mass around 2006 as... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #81

I see that too and it is making people act out because they see it. bravenak Feb 2016 #89

Gore ran away from Clinton and that hurt him too. bettyellen Feb 2016 #44

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #82

SO and I were just discussing this last night mcar Feb 2016 #97

I remember reading he was pissed at his infidelities. I kinda thought that was bullshit bettyellen Feb 2016 #119

The country didn't mcar Feb 2016 #122

totally agree with you there. that and Tipper with the lyrics made me think they were bettyellen Feb 2016 #123

Mine too mcar Feb 2016 #125

it's kind of a mirror of what is happening here too. bettyellen Feb 2016 #128

Stuns me that it's allowed mcar Feb 2016 #129

me too! they will leave when there is no race to spoil though. bettyellen Feb 2016 #132

and the Clintons ran with her karynnj Feb 2016 #79

Lol newsed meme of the week right a resounding loss for Hillary azurnoir Feb 2016 #6

Lets see... MrWendel Feb 2016 #8

yep lets see how folks do if Hillary is the nominee azurnoir Feb 2016 #9

The answer is yes noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #10

Yes. We decide, thanks for your post. bravenak Feb 2016 #21

There are reasons why African Americans are not supporting Sanders Gothmog Feb 2016 #24

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #83

Is that about the 10th time you've posted that? Kentonio Feb 2016 #111

Thank you noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #140

I just read this whole article... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #11

No he said Obama has been weak bravenak Feb 2016 #17

He did say that... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #23

His comments turn me ahgainst him bravenak Feb 2016 #30

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #84

I found these comments from Barney Frank to be appropriate Gothmog Feb 2016 #25

So all he would have to do is say... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #28

Put the word out to ixnay on the ashingtray of obama and the negative dealings with our demo bravenak Feb 2016 #47

People are going to have their opinions... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #51

And their opinions are loud and drive voters off. bravenak Feb 2016 #53

Sorry snpsmom Feb 2016 #58

Thats fine I felt the same way before it was directed at me bravenak Feb 2016 #60

That is not Sanders position-he wants revolution to start all over Gothmog Feb 2016 #49

You seem a little off on the revolution... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #52

I'm still waiting to hear his plan to win back Congress redstateblues Feb 2016 #59

You just skipped right over it... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #61

+1, Sanders explicitly said we need a "course correction" when asked would he continue Obama's uponit7771 Feb 2016 #85

Are you implying that all black people vote the same way? Because it sure sounds like you are. jillan Feb 2016 #12

All? No. bravenak Feb 2016 #18

"There's more work to do" is bashing? jeff47 Feb 2016 #13

Calling for a primary is. And the BOOK BLURB is pretty much bashing him. bravenak Feb 2016 #16

So do we currently live in a utopia? Or is there more that can be done? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #19

Does us not living in uptopia matter? bravenak Feb 2016 #20

Well, if there's nothing to criticize, then we'd be in a utopia. jeff47 Feb 2016 #26

We are in america bravenak Feb 2016 #27

Yes, we are. Is there anything left to criticize? jeff47 Feb 2016 #34

Bernie's campaign style deserves a bit of study bravenak Feb 2016 #35

Whether or not that is the case doesn't answer that simple question. jeff47 Feb 2016 #36

You answer it bravenak Feb 2016 #38

I did above. jeff47 Feb 2016 #40

Sanders bravenak Feb 2016 #41

So America is perfect? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #42

Did anybody ever say it was on this thread? Where do you get these ideas! bravenak Feb 2016 #43

Well, you keep failing to list anything in America that should be criticized jeff47 Feb 2016 #46

White supremacy bravenak Feb 2016 #48

And that is different than saying "there is more to be done" because? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #55

Thats my main issue. bravenak Feb 2016 #56

So if it's your criticism, it is OK, but if it's anyone else's criticism, it's awful? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #57

Well, that was one of the biggest wins I've ever seen GummyBearz Feb 2016 #117

It's not that hard when you aren't starting with massive hypocrisy. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #118

Well, I still give you props for the time investment GummyBearz Feb 2016 #120

The fact that you're acting as if "there's more to be done" was all that was said from Sanders is uponit7771 Feb 2016 #86

So's your claim that any criticism is "bashing". jeff47 Feb 2016 #103

No, calling him weak... and other racialized terms as West and Bigga have done is not criticism ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #104

Sanders is not West or Bigga. jeff47 Feb 2016 #105

Sanders strongly associates himself with both and campaigned with them in IA and people wondered uponit7771 Feb 2016 #106

Why does Clinton think women who don't vote for her are going to Hell? jeff47 Feb 2016 #108

I don't know what this string of conversation has to do with what you just mentioned but uponit7771 Feb 2016 #110

It's exactly the same standard you want to hold Sanders to. jeff47 Feb 2016 #113

Clinton said it herself and it was repeating a quip from a well established feminist IIRC... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #115

You remember incorrectly. jeff47 Feb 2016 #121

I remember Clinton saying this almost 8 months ago. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #124

Again, you remember wrong. jeff47 Feb 2016 #136

No I'm not, it wasn't 8 months ago... I have brain damage... time is slipping... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #137

I saw him criticize Obama and loyalsister Feb 2016 #14

Maybe your friends are your friends because they think similar to you? bravenak Feb 2016 #15

Or maybe they are my friends because they care about people other than just themselves? loyalsister Feb 2016 #29

Maybe you dont know what other people care about? bravenak Feb 2016 #31

Wait, didn't Obama do the executive order on immigration for kids? If anything Obama's immigration uponit7771 Feb 2016 #87

This! mcar Feb 2016 #99

Since he's not bashing it, yes. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #32

He called him WEAK bravenak Feb 2016 #33

Obama, "weak"? Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #45

Yes cause Bernie is so strong he got republicans to love socialism bravenak Feb 2016 #68

LOL Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #69

If he did that we'd all vote for him bravenak Feb 2016 #70

proffering Obama be primaried isn't "bashing", calling Obama weak isn't "bashing"?! really?! We'll.. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #80

Link to the bash please. bunnies Feb 2016 #37

No bravenak Feb 2016 #39

Why? bunnies Feb 2016 #50

Because it is in the linked article bravenak Feb 2016 #54

The bashing of our Democratic President on this site is disgraceful redstateblues Feb 2016 #62

Exactly bravenak Feb 2016 #63

+1, or they just don't like Obama in the first place... republicans don't like Obama uponit7771 Feb 2016 #78

You linked to a link. bunnies Feb 2016 #64

Follow the link or dont bravenak Feb 2016 #65

Will YOU STOP POSTING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE??!! You're upsetting the delicate flowers among us!!! Number23 Feb 2016 #66

I am so sorry!! bravenak Feb 2016 #67

..... rbrnmw Feb 2016 #72

Phfphfphfphfpff-f-f! :-P NurseJackie Feb 2016 #74

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #76

Can Hillary Bash Wall Street and Still Collect Their Millions In Campaign Contributions? mhatrw Feb 2016 #71

Can We Discuss Bernie Without Bashing Hillary For One Damn Second Or Is This Still Too Much To Ask? betsuni Feb 2016 #73

yes, like many progressives ... even Bernie.... in the past have done uponit7771 Feb 2016 #77

can Hillary? karynnj Feb 2016 #75

This is about Bernie. bravenak Feb 2016 #88

double standards, then? karynnj Feb 2016 #90

I like to stay on topic bravenak Feb 2016 #91

your definition of on target is narrower than mine karynnj Feb 2016 #92

Topic bravenak Feb 2016 #93

oh I get it! This is an exclusive bash Bernie thread karynnj Feb 2016 #94

I Am tired of discussing Hillary in Bernie threads bravenak Feb 2016 #95

Any mention of Bernie's weaknesses will not be tolerated redstateblues Feb 2016 #101

Good article mcar Feb 2016 #96

I do not get it either. bravenak Feb 2016 #98

Great article in OP Gothmog Feb 2016 #100

The root of Bernie's problem remains firebrand80 Feb 2016 #102

I still thought he could have started a dialogue months ago as people on this board were uponit7771 Feb 2016 #107

He certainly should have, but firebrand80 Feb 2016 #109

Yeap, he SHOULD'VE known something was wrong in IA after PoC went for HRC by 25% and that's uponit7771 Feb 2016 #112

I don't blame Bernie too much firebrand80 Feb 2016 #114

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #116

He's better go easy on the Obama bashing. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #126

Yes. Criticize the record, not the person. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #127

Does Bernie have to agree with Obama on 100% of his actions to get the black vote? Vinca Feb 2016 #130

Can Hillary directly bash Obama's race in 2008 and still win black votes in 2016? GummyBearz Feb 2016 #131

This thread is about Bernie bravenak Feb 2016 #133

If you don't care to talk about it here I will start a new thread GummyBearz Feb 2016 #134

Good bravenak Feb 2016 #135

Prolly not. But he is going for a different demographic. boston bean Feb 2016 #138

I wonder why, wildeyed Feb 2016 #139