2016 Postmortem

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

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46. As a Sanders supporter, it's not going to work because it's too abstract

Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:36 PM

Feb 2016

he has no tangible relationship with blacks like the Clintons, even though their policies were disastrous for blacks. Michelle Alexander noted that a better way to count unemployment among blacks is to count those incarcerated. When you do that, unemployment is 42%. Maybe that's the unemployment number Trump "heard."

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Sharpton: Sanders Did Not Address How Race Affects Income Inequality [View all] firebrand80 Feb 2016 OP

I am not surprised by either man. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #1

Sander's economic policies would lift all boats CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #2

But it doesn't. JRLeft Feb 2016 #5

Numerous economists disagree with you CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #13

Black people are usually left out, when the nation benefits. JRLeft Feb 2016 #18

I agree...funds do have to be targeted CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #24

He has to specify that. JRLeft Feb 2016 #25

He did. Beowulf Feb 2016 #47

The Clinton camp is so desperately trying to use the African American community as objects CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #53

+1 jham123 Feb 2016 #74

100% WRONG! Black voters think for themselves. If we're unconvinced by Sanders, that's HIS problem! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #92

You speak for all PoC? jham123 Feb 2016 #133

Yeah, I speak for ALL POCs! I'm the annointed one. I'm their GOD! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #175

There are tons of PoC who remember very well the following jham123 Feb 2016 #146

Thanks. We already know all this. And no. Of course I do not speak for POC. But neither does Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #174

I'm confused jham123 Feb 2016 #180

the key word is that they are "trying" to do that. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #153

I agree with you!! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #198

NOPE!! My disdain for Sanders is from my OWN mind! Please stop with the arrogance! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #91

Your rant is in the abstract earthshine Feb 2016 #117

I was a Bernie Sanders supporter, but his fanatics have turned me completely off. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #179

Sure, you were! LOL. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #203

I like a class of wine from time to time as well. ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #215

There's a generational gap within the black community. Bernie needs to target millennials. JRLeft Feb 2016 #125

CC, how can he target funds? kstewart33 Feb 2016 #143

There are plenty of ways that funds could be targeted CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #199

Like who? nt kstewart33 Feb 2016 #138

The article speaks of one economist who agrees with Sanders, but notes that others do not Justice Feb 2016 #147

You've posted no facts to prop up your claim either. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #152

Top Economist Says Bernie Sanders’ Plan Will Raise Median Income $22,000 and Create 26 Million Jobs AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #70

That may well be true but tell me how his plan will be passed by a Republican-controlled Congress? kstewart33 Feb 2016 #136

If Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic nomination... CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #201

Same One UMass Amherst economist who has worked with Sanders before/ is an acknowledged socialist Justice Feb 2016 #149

Black folks have heard this before uponit7771 Feb 2016 #10

Sander's economic policies would make meaningful, real changes to the economy CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #14

Your last comment was condescending at best and the first statement has not historical uponit7771 Feb 2016 #30

There is a concerted effort to position Sanders CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #48

No there's not, he cares prolly more than Hillary... that's not the point and never has been and... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #54

I completely agree with you that the African American community CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #60

Ignored by government and the Democratic Party. Even now we have white liberals trying to Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #97

I totally get what you are saying CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #204

Well that makes no sense at all Kentonio Feb 2016 #62

It's race-baiting which Ole Hill and Bill are famous for ThePhilosopher04 Feb 2016 #55

I feel that she has such a powerful attack machine that is so willing to spread hate CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #67

CC again, how will it pass a Republican-controlled Congress? kstewart33 Feb 2016 #141

I think Sander's approach will be two-pronged CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #209

Stay with it CoffeeCat. I'm agreeing with you posts. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #158

You think Hillary is going to tell them something new? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #17

She definitely won't do shit. JRLeft Feb 2016 #26

Yes 6chars Feb 2016 #29

No, of course not... HRC has a relationship with PoC and we know that devil.. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #32

Lesser of two evils. Helluva plan. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #35

Yeap, wisdom is a good thing. I wish life was all about clear cut choices... it's mostly not uponit7771 Feb 2016 #43

The Clintons were at the pinnacle of power from 1992 to 2009. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #50

Go ask people in the AA groups and they'll tell you, why are you just trying to figure out the answe uponit7771 Feb 2016 #52

Well I certainly didn't expect an answer from you. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #59

All I'm saying is the attitude now is ... hey, why aren't you supporting Sanders when PoC have been uponit7771 Feb 2016 #61

not quite accurate jham123 Feb 2016 #82

I don't remember this comment in 2008, can you cite it... I looked on google with keywords uponit7771 Feb 2016 #89

Sure jham123 Feb 2016 #145

Can I get a quote, the video I saw she said NOTHING about black children... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #181

Huh? jham123 Feb 2016 #182

Do you need a video?? Google the phrase, there is no question about the context jham123 Feb 2016 #184

Again, no mention of black anything.. this is getting a little silly, sounds like a whispering ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #185

oh, I get it jham123 Feb 2016 #186

If she didn't say it or even intimate it then it's disingenuous to proffer that she did uponit7771 Feb 2016 #187

Obtuse much? jham123 Feb 2016 #188

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position, she said nothing about black people in her statement uponit7771 Feb 2016 #190

Your charge of Ad Hom is Ad Hom plus Strawman jham123 Feb 2016 #191

An attack in the form of a pejorative question, and now you're being condescending... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author femmedem Feb 2016 #148

Many times. And it's nonsense! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #40

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #44

Free college, $15/hr minimum, and universal single payer health care? kristopher Feb 2016 #63

According to the assertions... jham123 Feb 2016 #83

Whaaaa?! You think PoC are going to be excluded from these programs? JudyM Feb 2016 #102

If history is evidence, then yes. Systematically blacks have been excluded from programs Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #108

Not me... jham123 Feb 2016 #130

Good! Issues are getting so distorted ... JudyM Feb 2016 #132

Sadly, today.... jham123 Feb 2016 #134

We haven't in the passed? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #196

I'm talking about the grandiose promises... the particulars don't matter uponit7771 Feb 2016 #195

You're talking trash with no intent except to smear. kristopher Feb 2016 #202

I don't need to smear Sanders, he's doing good job of that himself with promising a trillion dollars uponit7771 Feb 2016 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #194

BULLSHIT!! Wealthy blacks, blacks with advanced degrees, assets, etc.--STILL face racism! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #38

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #197

As a Sanders supporter, it's not going to work because it's too abstract WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #46

Exactly what Rush Limbaugh and the right say eom treestar Feb 2016 #78

I totally agree except . . . Depaysement Feb 2016 #183

Yeah, black people have heard that before (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #216

And where does Hillary stand on this, pray tell? Nedsdag Feb 2016 #3

She would be worse. JRLeft Feb 2016 #6

He's apparently meeting with her next week nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #7

This is about Bernie Sanders. It is HE who must convince a good number of blacks to vote for him! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #41

I don't get who or where do you stand for. Nedsdag Feb 2016 #110

Actually now that you put it that way by insulting me, I'm reconsidering. I just might Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #113

How easily your opinion is swayed. earthshine Feb 2016 #119

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service LittleBlue Feb 2016 #126

Just what I thought! Nedsdag Feb 2016 #123

You'll get over it. Have a great day! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #178

We really don't want to bring people together...... Skwmom Feb 2016 #4

Exactly. If people were just honest. We really don't want to bring everybody together... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #105

He really feels as he has told everyone over the years boston bean Feb 2016 #8

If he really feels that dealing with the very pervasive issue as race is a wedge issue, Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #76

When you hear people saying these issues divide us boston bean Feb 2016 #80

That's right. Absolutely right. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #88

This. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #129

Sanders is classic New Left: he really believes that class is the ACTUAL problem, and race is alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #9

If blacks were all billionaires we'd still have the issue of racism. Having enough money to uponit7771 Feb 2016 #11

Sanders absolutely sees racism as a problem in this country CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #15

Sanders has a history of minimizing minorities problems for the sake of votes, I know he sees it as uponit7771 Feb 2016 #39

+1000. And it's not just about racist words. Racism creates a safety issue ecstatic Feb 2016 #23

are you saying it is better to be poor and black than rich and black? Hiraeth Feb 2016 #57

epiphenomenon? intersectional thought, cultural superstructures? 6chars Feb 2016 #33

Hilarious post... AOR Feb 2016 #45

Haha alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #66

Sanders is not leftist...of course it invalidates your point... AOR Feb 2016 #75

Technical Note: Unless I'm mistaken, "New Left" emerged as a linguistic KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #98

Your time frame is correct on the "New Left" King... AOR Feb 2016 #124

I associate it with Sauvy (EDIT: Marcuse) Recursion Feb 2016 #217

If you think the shit Sanders is getting from the Hillary cohort is out of hand, you should KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #154

Yes I know King... AOR Feb 2016 #161

where you going with this "whitey" bullshit? needlessly injecting anti-white racial invectives? bettyellen Feb 2016 #135

Yawn...offer something of substance besides "faux outrage" and vindictive emotion... AOR Feb 2016 #151

Putting the word "whitey" out there and now demanding answers @ "poor black poverty"... bettyellen Feb 2016 #156

Like I said offer something of substance... AOR Feb 2016 #165

TL:DR ..seemed like a lot of lurid adjectives about an imaginary "full agreement" w/your ideas. bettyellen Feb 2016 #170

Seek and you shall find the truth... AOR Feb 2016 #172

The truth is, not everyone supports your priorities. I know it sucks to hear, but bettyellen Feb 2016 #173

LOL..it's not hard to guess... AOR Feb 2016 #189

Yes, I am quite familiar with those "who could give a shit less about their brothers/sisters" bettyellen Feb 2016 #192

Class intersects with both of those issues... AOR Feb 2016 #208

"...if you solve the class problem, the" wedge issues "issues will clear themselves up" kristopher Feb 2016 #69

Agree with half your post... AOR Feb 2016 #85

I don't agree. The focus on production misses reproduction. kristopher Feb 2016 #95

You may disagree... AOR Feb 2016 #137

Eh, no. kristopher Feb 2016 #155

Let us cut through the chase... AOR Feb 2016 #169

I don't subscribe to Marx - like I said, his analysis is incomplete. kristopher Feb 2016 #177

You've avoided the questions... AOR Feb 2016 #210

And I answered you. kristopher Feb 2016 #211

You're avoiding a discussion of capitalist social relations... AOR Feb 2016 #212

He'll be better after his comprehensive exams alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #213

reminds me of a poster that explained, if I earn more, I can fly somewhere for an abortion.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #139

I'm sure it does make you think of those things. kristopher Feb 2016 #157

I adore Bernie Sanders- but am not so blind as to have no questions. Pretty much everyone bettyellen Feb 2016 #162

No you don't. kristopher Feb 2016 #164

This should be an OP on its own. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #96

I second that... nt Blasphemer Feb 2016 #127

Absolutely BRILLIANT post! And that's one of the reasons why Sanders' is not capturing a large Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #111

Honestly, I'd be willing to give Bernie a 5th look if Sharpton came out and ecstatic Feb 2016 #12

I'm pretty sure Sharpton's MSNBC contract prohibits endorsements Arazi Feb 2016 #22

Tell us Sharpton: How do YOU want it to be addressed? Hiraeth Feb 2016 #16

Yes. polly7 Feb 2016 #49

white people talk and are told by black people to shut up Hiraeth Feb 2016 #64

It's just purposeful crazy-making. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #77

yep. and on ignore they are all going. done with the dumb. eom Hiraeth Feb 2016 #79

yes-- FFS, it's really not that complicated! Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #51

shit is fucked up on here. It really isn't that complicated in the real world. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #71

Race trumps class, every time!!! DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #19

That anecdote don't prove what you claim kristopher Feb 2016 #72

When Hillary was lecturing the Black Lives Matter people... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #84

woman grab their purses anytime someone they don't know is close questionseverything Feb 2016 #159

This was a ruse. Sharpton summons Bernie Sanders on orders from on High... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #20

+1 Punkingal Feb 2016 #28

yep. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #65

They sat in a Brooklyn restaurant for about a half an hour. how much can be discussed in that amount m-lekktor Feb 2016 #163

I feel for Bernie... Skid Rogue Feb 2016 #21

Vermont is 0.87% African-American...and 80% of the prison population! Hmmm... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #36

Educate yourself... AOR Feb 2016 #56

See, this bullshit right here is exactly why Sanders will lose the black vote. 100% wrong! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #114

LOL...I suspected you had nothing... AOR Feb 2016 #144

My obsession, eh? LOL!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #176

I actually agree with you... for the most part. Skid Rogue Feb 2016 #90

I agree with this assessment. Thank you so much! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #118

He's lived in a bubble for 30 years mwrguy Feb 2016 #81

But here's the thing: Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #27

You are correct firebrand80 Feb 2016 #34

This is a great post. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #37

And caring about these issues is core to his worldview, not a pandering element. JudyM Feb 2016 #86

:D Skid Rogue Feb 2016 #94

YES, REVEREND AL, YES!! That is what we POC have been trying to get across to white liberals Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #31

Ok. Are you saying ... JudyM Feb 2016 #93

That's it. The focus on class and economic equality is a DEFLECTION! Why? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #99

So are you looking for him to use the word "racism" outright JudyM Feb 2016 #106

Sick of deflecting from the issue by invoking Hillary Clinton. I'm not addressing your Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #109

I'm sorry, I am genuinely trying to understand it, have spent many hours reading about the issue, JudyM Feb 2016 #116

Al is saying what I've been saying. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #42

Al is saying what many of us POC have been screaming over and over and over and over and over... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #120

that is because mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #58

So a separate minimum wage for black people and white people? GummyBearz Feb 2016 #68

WOW, Interesting take on things. bettyellen Feb 2016 #142

But Hillary is much better because she creates income inequality for both me and her! mhatrw Feb 2016 #73

So what's Al's solution? frylock Feb 2016 #87

What an odd thing to say. Vinca Feb 2016 #100

I like Al Sharpton and hope NowSam Feb 2016 #101

He never does bravenak Feb 2016 #103

fine, i'll be the one to say it. poc do not own economic injustice or class discrimination restorefreedom Feb 2016 #104

You are incredibly, incredibly wrong firebrand80 Feb 2016 #107

that is an issue also needing remedy restorefreedom Feb 2016 #115

You don't get it...or, at least you're pretending not to get it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #121

what you originally said was firebrand80 Feb 2016 #122

i agree with you that racism is a major problem restorefreedom Feb 2016 #128

We're going to have to agree to disagree firebrand80 Feb 2016 #131

i actually agree on most of what you said restorefreedom Feb 2016 #140

That's all Bernie talks about - every single speech. I guess Al hasn't been listening. jillan Feb 2016 #112

Appointments berningman Feb 2016 #150

Welcome to DU! yuiyoshida Feb 2016 #166

Thank You berningman Feb 2016 #167

lots of interesting reading yuiyoshida Feb 2016 #168

just goes to show DustyJoe Feb 2016 #160

DU rec for all kinds of reasons...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #171

The cynicism and defeatism, in these thread comments is depressing. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #200

Sharpton's agenda differs from Sanders' BillZBubb Feb 2016 #206

DIRECTLY FROM BERNIE'S WEBSITE: RACIAL JUSTICE | ECONOMIC VIOLENCE yodermon Feb 2016 #207

Watch out for the long knifes Al workinclasszero Feb 2016 #214