2016 Postmortem

Dragonfli

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155. Me too, he is a hero of mine, since we know Bill and Hill did no such thing

Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:06 PM

Feb 2016

I can't tell you how disappointed, even disillusioned that he said that the way he did.

He should have just said something more appropriate like, "since then I have had the pleasure of working with Bill and Hillary on issues important to me". It would have been honest and not put me in a place now where I'm not sure I even know a man I thought was a living hero.

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Have we really reached a place where if you aren't a PoC [View all] cali Feb 2016 OP

Nah, just at a place where AA's on DU who've been screaming there's a problem with.... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #1

The Clinton campaign has been manufacturing that problem cali Feb 2016 #7

They did? ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #9

David Brock TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #15

What does that have to do with the response of AA's to Sanders or his campaign? ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #22

How is anything manufactured? TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #30

I'm still not clear, please elaborate ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #38

Misunderstood what you meant. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #52

Okey dokey ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #61

Can you specify what the response that you are refering to is? snort Feb 2016 #69

I do. Whole heartedly. The same way she tried to drive a wedge between LGBT and Obama in 08 Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #26

They did? AlbertCat Feb 2016 #73

Team Hillary has a huge problem they keep trying to make up for Hydra Feb 2016 #185

We, black folk, can think for ourselves... don't need Clintons assessment, which she hasn't given to uponit7771 Feb 2016 #10

It really is hard for Sanders supporters to understand this. vdogg Feb 2016 #131

That is Absolutely Fine elljay Feb 2016 #161

Oh really? MADem Feb 2016 #23

People claiming social justice is nothing more than a "tactic" and POC duped made it a much bettyellen Feb 2016 #24

Some people think that PoC aren't savey enough to know about Sanders uponit7771 Feb 2016 #147

I think the claim that POC (and women) have been duped is patently offensive.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #166

Thx bettyelle... I edited my post ... thx for your response uponit7771 Feb 2016 #168

sorry if I was not clear. some of the things I have read here have been deliberately bettyellen Feb 2016 #171

Savvy. [nt] Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #192

There is ZERO problem ThePhilosopher04 Feb 2016 #17

So when African Americans criticize Sanders or his campaign ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #33

I'm underqualified to comment perhaps but I'll wade in this far. MrChuck Feb 2016 #101

Very well said MrChuck!! monicaangela Feb 2016 #111

Hey! You two are gonna harm your candidate Mike__M Feb 2016 #126

Oops! monicaangela Feb 2016 #130

How has Clinton fomented unfair criticism? If anything she's been fairly reserved just now hitting.. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #142

No further example is needed beyond this one. MrChuck Feb 2016 #164

I don't see how you answered the question at all, you addressed it but I don't see any concrete uponit7771 Feb 2016 #165

Its been in the news all day... MrChuck Feb 2016 #167

What's the "its" you're referring to? Criticism?! Clinton is supposed to address all the criticism s uponit7771 Feb 2016 #169

I bid you peace. MrChuck Feb 2016 #173

I have seen some interesting attempts lately to inject hatred toward white people bettyellen Feb 2016 #139

So this is black folks fault? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #144

Nope, I have seen people attributing words like "fuck white people" to Hill's campaign. bettyellen Feb 2016 #151

Sanders lost IA PoC by 25% after spending 3 months campaigning there... those PoC heard uponit7771 Feb 2016 #141

AA's on DU aren't all for Clinton. retrowire Feb 2016 #39

THANK YOU. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #59

You hardly speak for all PoC on this board nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #43

Strawman at best, never intimated in any way that I did and not even part of my reply uponit7771 Feb 2016 #145

Oh you have nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #156

I for the most part have been careful to use polling data and generalized statements about PoC uponit7771 Feb 2016 #160

You have nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #162

Divide. Divide. Divide. Divide. Divide. Do you not see what is being done here? Do you not see the Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #110

You mean by bashing Obama and then associating his campaign with vile racialized Obama bashers uponit7771 Feb 2016 #146

Are you speaking of Cornell West? Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #194

Do I even count as PoC if I'm only half-black? VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #2

Not unless you support Hillary. cali Feb 2016 #20

Nope, unless you openly support HRC nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #32

I am sorry you went through that rbrnmw Feb 2016 #58

what is insane is that even though we have screen caps nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #60

They aren't interested in the truth Hydra Feb 2016 #186

Nope, not enough. For example nadinbrezinski, a Mexican Jewish woman Arazi Feb 2016 #37

That's not a very nice thing to say. ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #41

shrug. The poster asked. Its easily verifiable, ask Nadin Arazi Feb 2016 #50

and some of us do not support any candidate openly nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #56

That quite the rationalization you have going there ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #63

Given that you were at the center of that discussion off site nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #55

Thank you, you are very kind. ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #65

Keep it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #67

Sure ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #72

I think we'd all like to see that LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #82

Are you referring to me? ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #85

I presume nadin was referring to you LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #87

Ok you're right ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #91

Well you made the list nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #114

I am not a partisan nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #93

Hookay... ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #96

Well an apology and some self reflection nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #115

That's an awesome word. ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #120

You do nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #121

What, exactly, are you talking about? ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #128

Nope nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #129

Thanks - needed to be shown. 840high Feb 2016 #99

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #119

I was referring to the person making those posts as a partisan, not you LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #152

Sorry for misunderstand f. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #154

Just awful. The anti-semitic ones were grotesque - Money Goldbricks etc Arazi Feb 2016 #159

It will not be long nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #163

I don't see the posters name on that screenshot rbrnmw Feb 2016 #179

She did that at the OTHER SITE nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #180

again I'm sorry if someone used antisemitic slurs toward you rbrnmw Feb 2016 #181

I wish it was antisemitism nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #183

I take people at their word rbrnmw Feb 2016 #187

Very very true nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #188

It also left the impression that he met the Clintons DURING his Civil Rights involvement. arcane1 Feb 2016 #3

This is confusing to me dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #8

He deliberately phrased it to give that impression. In essence, he lied n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #12

I guess that's why google dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #16

It's hard to see it as truthful. It fits the definition of artful smear. cali Feb 2016 #25

There's no other reason to say he met them in the same paragraph as not meeting Sanders. arcane1 Feb 2016 #28

Absolutely! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #64

John Lewis very careful said he had met the Clintons. He did not say when Autumn Feb 2016 #35

I will probably grudgingly hold my nose a vote for her dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #42

Why would he compromise his own reputation to mislead or lie? Kittycat Feb 2016 #78

Maybe he didn't want to play the reporters game. Autumn Feb 2016 #89

I caught that, too. Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #88

He met them when Bill Clinton was 29, before he went into politics. So they've been pnwmom Feb 2016 #106

dunno ... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #158

Every governor in America was at that shindig. MADem Feb 2016 #190

So 1975, 76. John Lewis is a member of the Progressive Caucus along with Bernie Sanders who chaired Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #170

1968 she interned at the House Republican Conference and worked Rockefeller (R) campaign for prez. ieoeja Feb 2016 #53

I grew up in Albany, NY dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #57

No she was not a registered Republican until 1968! OKNancy Feb 2016 #125

In 1968 she was working for Sen. Gene McCarthy, an anti war candidate, just as I was. In 1968.... Hekate Feb 2016 #138

He met the Clintons during the mid-70's. Wasn't the Civil Rights movement still going on? nt pnwmom Feb 2016 #84

I would say the Civil Rights Movement dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #95

I would agree, but the poster I was responding to apparently thinks it ended in the 60's. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #102

Only if you want to see it that way in order to attack John Lewis. Everyone can clearly see.... George II Feb 2016 #112

"Have we really reached a place"... NaturalHigh Feb 2016 #4

Why do you think they want a woman so bad. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #5

Desperate circumstamces call for extreme measures. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #6

That's how I read them too. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #11

I'm the one who said hero and not a saint. Punkingal Feb 2016 #13

It's a very good point. Thank you. cali Feb 2016 #27

The fact that you think that saying he never saw Sanders in the 1960s is an "attack" speaks volumes Empowerer Feb 2016 #14

It was clearly an attack. Period cali Feb 2016 #29

Though Mr. Lewis employed questionable innuendo... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #107

Of course it's an attack. A backhanded one at that ThePhilosopher04 Feb 2016 #31

Are you not familiar with what an "implication" is? nt retrowire Feb 2016 #45

Right? ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #47

This is like claiming John Kerry didn't earn his medals. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #75

No it's not. The Swiftboaters were lying. John Lewis is telling the truth. Empowerer Feb 2016 #76

Hillary's supporters are jumping on his comments to call Bernie a liar. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #94

I haven't seen anyone call Bernie a liar. Empowerer Feb 2016 #98

Here is what they're saying... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #100

It's definitely noteworthy. What it tells me, I cannot say. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #109

I gotta wonder what are the internal polls within the Clinton campaign? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #18

My 18 yo facebook messages me from college dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #49

that should be interesting nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #51

interestingly when Andy Young sided with WalMart there was no defensive reaction MisterP Feb 2016 #19

Interesting. H2O Man Feb 2016 #21

It leaves the impression, particularly with those who don't know cali Feb 2016 #36

Oh, I definitely H2O Man Feb 2016 #54

Well, time for another donation padfun Feb 2016 #153

Unless I am reading the quote incorrectly, does it not also imply that both Bill and Hillary Clinton Dragonfli Feb 2016 #71

Right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #149

Me too, he is a hero of mine, since we know Bill and Hill did no such thing Dragonfli Feb 2016 #155

That is so true. Many of us were active in one way or the jwirr Feb 2016 #134

Put simply... deathrind Feb 2016 #34

DU reached that place about 8 years ago. This isn't new. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #40

Actually, what we've reached is the side of the bus. It doesn't matter who it is... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #44

Yeah, heaven forbid we criticize an endorsement of a person that we don't approve of. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #46

I saw something somewhere Mike__M Feb 2016 #143

... nc4bo Feb 2016 #48

John Lewis' legacy can weather this. fbc Feb 2016 #62

I wouldn't worry about Lewis Capt. Obvious Feb 2016 #66

Ouch. jwirr Feb 2016 #136

What's a PoC? aintitfunny Feb 2016 #68

Person of Color nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #70

Thank you, didn't arrive at that one. aintitfunny Feb 2016 #122

I see this as part of the pattern of the Clinton's use of surrogates.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #74

Wow - you probably have no idea how patronizing and condescending you sound Empowerer Feb 2016 #77

Actually, I'm looking at the DELIGHT of Hillary supporters when they get some ammo. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #92

He isn't so much being "used" Gore1FL Feb 2016 #118

Cali, I respect John Lewis also. I can not speak to his motivations, but it is politics and politics LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #79

No. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #80

Love this pic from the 50th Anniversary of the march on Selma. PonyUp Feb 2016 #81

I'm sure Hillary wanted to be there but she probably had an important speech to LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #90

Nice. 840high Feb 2016 #105

well if she's pushing Ted Nugent Anti Semitic crap it'll get lower :( PatrynXX Feb 2016 #83

REALLY?? MFM008 Feb 2016 #86

You go to the polls with the voters you have, not the voters you would ideally have. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #172

I doubt that MLK or John Lewis noticed me when I worked for civil rights in L.A. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #97

John Lewis is pro-private prison and was pushed to support Obama over Clinton by his constituents. w4rma Feb 2016 #103

I believe your assumption monicaangela Feb 2016 #104

You say you respect John Lewis enormously but then accuse him of being Hillary's puppet. Justice Feb 2016 #108

Hillary Clinton didn't "employ" John Lewis to say what he said. He spoke from HIS heart.... George II Feb 2016 #113

He didn't attack bernie. He said he didn't know him then. Gore1FL Feb 2016 #116

Thank you because THAT makes sense. jwirr Feb 2016 #140

Well documented? Gman Feb 2016 #117

DC is a network of favors and influence. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #123

And this... Is the thread winner nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #127

Bernie DID say he expected the kitchen sink thrown at him soon. Also, I was at the 1963 March FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #124

The majority of the CBC nyabingi Feb 2016 #132

. UglyGreed Feb 2016 #133

He implied that Bill & Hillary were marching at that time Merryland Feb 2016 #135

a bit off topic, but I wish my dad was still alive tularetom Feb 2016 #137

THe POC phrase was started and spread Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #174

I totally get that, but having said that tularetom Feb 2016 #175

Shrug. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #177

I think thats sort of my point tularetom Feb 2016 #178

You are not the first one to ask that question... Fumesucker Feb 2016 #182

I swear on all that is holy tularetom Feb 2016 #189

Glad you enjoyed it.. Fumesucker Feb 2016 #191

That is one of the strangest semantic shifts I have seen in years nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #184

There is a special place in hell for any progressive who takes issue with opinions from POC LittleBlue Feb 2016 #148

WTF!!! quickesst Feb 2016 #150

To say that Hillary is "controlling" John Lewis is pretty insulting AND silly. kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #157

Keep it going........ Beacool Feb 2016 #176

It's like the Clinton campaign had to stop thinking about winning the general election Babel_17 Feb 2016 #193

I had a post hidden today because I dared to even suggest that John Lewis may have experienced TBI.. frylock Feb 2016 #195