2016 Postmortem

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126. Do you mean the health care provider system or the health insurance system?

Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:30 PM

Feb 2016

Physicians' practices have always been for-profit AFAIK (doctors pretty universally incorporate their practices for tax and liability reasons). HCA and Tenet were founded in the mid 1960s, but they were amalgamations of existing private hospitals.

Private health insurance has always been about half for-profit and half not-for-profit since the 1930s.

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PBS NewsHour Democratic Debate -- LIVE THREAD #1 [View all] brooklynite Feb 2016 OP

Continue the pattern of standing behind podiums... brooklynite Feb 2016 #1

Format brooklynite Feb 2016 #2

1/60th the time Lincoln and Douglas got (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #7

Opening Statements brooklynite Feb 2016 #3

thank you, B! bettyellen Feb 2016 #86

Bernie's opening wasn't smooth firebrand80 Feb 2016 #4

It honestly was not. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #6

yep not the best, hope he Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #9

a break already? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #5

If there was a mic problem that might make sense (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #10

I see Hillary is going with #StealTheBern tonight. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #8

she got the pandering in Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #11

You said it! Steal the Bern is right! and she is full of it... tokenlib Feb 2016 #19

Hi folks, I'm bernie Sanders .... in yellow! pangaia Feb 2016 #44

That color doesn't look good on her. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #258

I agree you guys having to wear a new outfit every day. :>)) pangaia Feb 2016 #266

Opening statement SheenaR Feb 2016 #12

timing is everything. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #20

"I'm running for president to knock down all the barriers that are holding Americans back," -Hillary ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #13

it is this week Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #18

*snerk* nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #24

Thanks. valerief Feb 2016 #14

Hillary wants to give all a "chance." Bernie wants to give all a "right." morningfog Feb 2016 #15

this right here^^^^^^ nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #26

Question to Sanders: How big a role do you see for Federal Government? brooklynite Feb 2016 #16

Poor response by Sanders hollowdweller Feb 2016 #64

LIVE STREAM Link quantass Feb 2016 #17

He didn't answer the question... JudyM Feb 2016 #21

Woodruff and Ifill are one of the best journalists of our generation NYCButterfinger Feb 2016 #22

Both are close friends of the Bush family. eom Mika Feb 2016 #120

Right away, Hillary attacks LittleBlue Feb 2016 #23

LOL! We spun it totally differently. nolabear Feb 2016 #29

Hillary is being very measured in tone, but getting right into issues. nolabear Feb 2016 #25

I call RW Talking Point! OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #27

It's not. It's an Middle America talking point NYCButterfinger Feb 2016 #36

"smart, accountable" doesn't mean small OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #65

. Wig Master Feb 2016 #76

I'm not sure "No we Can't" is a good theme for Hillary as a dem. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #73

The role of government should be smart and accountable NYCButterfinger Feb 2016 #28

What are your plans Hillary? FFS ViseGrip Feb 2016 #30

No one knows beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #34

I thought I was watching Star Trek when she came on stage! RKP5637 Feb 2016 #105

bernie puts to rest the "dismantle aca" bullshit restorefreedom Feb 2016 #31

"It was called Hillary Care before it was Obama Care" book_worm Feb 2016 #32

She's saying that like it existed... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #35

Moderators allowing back and forth...good idea brooklynite Feb 2016 #33

I like that too. Lets things so deeper. nolabear Feb 2016 #42

Clinton framing as support for Obama policies brooklynite Feb 2016 #37

Go Bernie! He will fight for our healthcare!!!! RiverLover Feb 2016 #38

I liked it better when they asked people to refrain from clapping.... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #39

Me, too. nt valerief Feb 2016 #41

because they seem to love Hillary. it is her room tonight. not that she owns them, LOL bettyellen Feb 2016 #108

nah i didn't like it last week either when they boo'd her for the 'artful smear' remark Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #156

when the cheers and boos collide it gets hella confusing! but I do like a rousing round of bettyellen Feb 2016 #163

Same here. It starts to get annoying. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #122

Oh Hill-a-ry. My my my. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #40

So far, Hillary has brought her A game, imo Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #43

I think so too. nolabear Feb 2016 #49

Universal Health Care "Coverage"? OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #45

gotta feed those insurance companies restorefreedom Feb 2016 #71

The insurance companies are the big winners in the AHA. southerncrone Feb 2016 #252

Yes, which is why single payer OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #255

Absolutely! southerncrone Feb 2016 #259

He's killing it! RiverLover Feb 2016 #46

Lots of back and forth. longship Feb 2016 #47

Worse off than the ACA with Medicare for all?! PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #48

No we can't...no we can't...no we can't!!!! TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #50

Inspiring isn't it? hibbing Feb 2016 #90

Bernie's hitting his stride now. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #51

vigorous exchange on health care book_worm Feb 2016 #52

Clinton: we have to guarantee health care; we're on the path to doing that... brooklynite Feb 2016 #53

And a plan to go from there to where we want to be. nolabear Feb 2016 #60

It only requires the Republicans to pass bills boosting the ACA. jeff47 Feb 2016 #254

Why isn't Hillary acknowledging that at some point... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #54

Defending for-profit healthcare she just did it "because tradition" and WW2 elehhhhna Feb 2016 #55

Yeah, ugh. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #101

Because we're not Europe or Canada Darnit we are America elehhhhna Feb 2016 #119

I thought HDSam Feb 2016 #56

She evolved.nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #58

...... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #83

But HDSam Feb 2016 #88

#stealthebern. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #95

This is good. Some time with the issues. Only having two people is great. nolabear Feb 2016 #57

Question to Clinton: You've proposed expansive Govt...Should people who fear Govt fear you? brooklynite Feb 2016 #59

starting all over again...wft..,she is obsessed with this lie restorefreedom Feb 2016 #61

She's trying really hard to paint him as dishonest... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #62

Hillary now championing Universal Healthcare? Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #63

Oh My god.... It makes me sneeze pangaia Feb 2016 #98

She usually looks great in yellow. Her makeup is way too pasty. Maybe a cold? hedda_foil Feb 2016 #129

Now that you speak of her god-awful color choice Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #256

Probably a message to Wall Street. I stand w/the gold. southerncrone Feb 2016 #257

Could be Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #268

Star Trek Mao uhnope Feb 2016 #269

"Making promises we can't keep will alienate Americans" brooklynite Feb 2016 #66

Hillary Sanders.nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #67

We inherited the healthcare system from WWII? Wasn't it non-profit back then? valerief Feb 2016 #68

Do you mean the health care provider system or the health insurance system? Recursion Feb 2016 #126

hrc the new robot juxtaposed Feb 2016 #69

8.0, 9.0, 10.1? I can't keep track anymore. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #77

BERRRRRRRRRN!!!!!! firebrand80 Feb 2016 #70

An actual $$ figure. And a plan for raising it. Good! nolabear Feb 2016 #72

"Secretary Clinton, You're Not in the White House Yet" brooklynite Feb 2016 #74

Sounds like a slightly pro-Hillary audience firebrand80 Feb 2016 #81

Yea, I got that feeling as well! eom Karma13612 Feb 2016 #132

Hillary does seem to have the advantage where the audience is concerned. nolabear Feb 2016 #91

Is there a streaming link? nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #75

Here brooklynite Feb 2016 #78

Thank you! nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #85

Sure... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #79

Slanted questions so far rufus dog Feb 2016 #80

Okay some specifics from Bernie. Good to hear. nolabear Feb 2016 #82

You're not in the white house yet, and the crowd laughs nervously. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #84

She never said she was, Bern. Keep going low and see where you end up. She's getting under his skin. farmboy Feb 2016 #112

Great reference to Gov. Scott Walker here in WI by Hillary book_worm Feb 2016 #87

The 'ol Scott Walker card, eh? firebrand80 Feb 2016 #89

Sanders' plan call on Governors to contribute to Higher Education tuition... brooklynite Feb 2016 #92

Excellent remarks about public ed by Bernie. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #94

He's beginning to sound repetitious. His details for financing are a lot of "shoulds" is losing me. ancianita Feb 2016 #96

Oh my gosh! Marcia just got hit in the nose with a football! Kurovski Feb 2016 #97

Don't pick up the tiki, Bobby! myrna minx Feb 2016 #159

WHAT!!? Kurovski Feb 2016 #175

Too many gimlets - they left me behind in the green room. myrna minx Feb 2016 #200

Isn't Gwynneth Paltrow there? Kurovski Feb 2016 #207

I certainly hope so - considering all of the twirling I was doing on the red carpet. myrna minx Feb 2016 #230

Did I hear that right?College kids shouldn't have to work in factories or on farms? nolabear Feb 2016 #99

No hollowdweller Feb 2016 #106

I know. But kids are delivering pizzas not working in factories. That's part of the issue. nolabear Feb 2016 #208

No, he was saying that today isn't the same as the 1950's, femmedem Feb 2016 #114

Don't kid yourself, it's all a collective farm once Bern gets in. Kurovski Feb 2016 #194

Question to Clinton: You've made a clear appeal to Women Voters. brooklynite Feb 2016 #100

Fair question. And fair answer. Not a barn burner. nolabear Feb 2016 #102

woodruffs mention of albrights hell comment just got booed. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #103

Boos for Albright LittleBlue Feb 2016 #104

She was a better SOS than you know who. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #113

Oh boy. The Allbright question. Hillary did a good job of moving to real issues. nolabear Feb 2016 #107

and not answering the question Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #118

I'm not taking that bait. nolabear Feb 2016 #125

she should of just said she did not agree Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #133

She's definitely changed her strategy in terms of tone... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #109

she will not answer that Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #110

"This is the first time there's been a majority of Women on stage"...progress brooklynite Feb 2016 #111

That was a great comeback Arazi Feb 2016 #121

Thanks for the thread femmedem Feb 2016 #145

Hell is for children. Kurovski Feb 2016 #115

No, children go to limbo Wig Master Feb 2016 #149

You mean the Limbo Song? Kurovski Feb 2016 #155

Where the bloody hell is my Downton Abbey? Kurovski Feb 2016 #158

A majority of women on the stage. I'm actually touched by that. nolabear Feb 2016 #116

Very strong statement by HRC on women's issues book_worm Feb 2016 #117

Question to Sanders: Do you think you'll be accused of thwarting the first Woman President? brooklynite Feb 2016 #123

oh balls, claiming sanders will "thwart history" restorefreedom Feb 2016 #124

Did I just hear Ifell ask if Bernie was worried about "thwarting history"? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #127

yup. hard to believe restorefreedom Feb 2016 #131

"The most experienced, prepared person to be president" book_worm Feb 2016 #128

Not quite. Look up the resume of HW Bush sometime. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #260

My vagina says hell no to Hillary. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #130

WOW. You could take that act on the road! nolabear Feb 2016 #138

Heeeeyyyy! Nola....what can I say LOL nc4bo Feb 2016 #148

Does that mean there ARE teeth down there after all. Kurovski Feb 2016 #165

Not gonna trot down that road. We do have a right to privacy. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #184

LOL Kurovski Feb 2016 #203

amen. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #144

And my penis says "Go, Hillary, Go!" farmboy Feb 2016 #146

She wasn't discussing the vaginally deficient farmboy. Sowwy. Nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #157

I heard Hilary say that she works for empowerment of women AND men to make their best decisions. farmboy Feb 2016 #211

No p zone. She was riding a feminine head wind. Yall can help but....... nc4bo Feb 2016 #224

Mostly, yes, but she included me. Try being more inclusive. It is a good place to be! farmboy Feb 2016 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author Wig Master Feb 2016 #170

I think HRC is pretty strong tonight book_worm Feb 2016 #134

This Bernie supporter... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #136

I'm a Sanders fan but I think she always comes off great. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #141

Exposure... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #167

It only makes her stronger if she uses it wisely. jeff47 Feb 2016 #262

Completely agree with that... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #263

Same here. She does an excellent job. And both of them make me proud and happy I'm a RKP5637 Feb 2016 #193

Agreed! Bravo! Arazi Feb 2016 #142

I'm unapologetically happy about Hillary's desire to foreground women's rights. nolabear Feb 2016 #135

I have never loved Bernie as much until this moment! bettyellen Feb 2016 #137

Yay- marijuana and justice right after abortions! Atta boy Bernie! bettyellen Feb 2016 #147

NARAL called my mom today. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #139

Facebook question: What can we do about African-American incarceration rate (double national rate) brooklynite Feb 2016 #140

Sanders: radical reform of criminal justice system brooklynite Feb 2016 #143

I agree with him on that rbrnmw Feb 2016 #152

Excellent answer on justice reform from Sanders n/t TCJ70 Feb 2016 #150

Clinton: first speech I gave was about criminal justice reform brooklynite Feb 2016 #151

me, too! nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #153

How can Hillary be believed that she will work to actively prevent Mass Incarceration... PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #154

She takes Big Prison $$!.Ugh her ability to lie convincingly is scary Arazi Feb 2016 #161

that is why that whoever wins, you have to keep working the midterms and local elections. bettyellen Feb 2016 #178

give em hell, bernie! nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #160

Question to Clinton: Hardly anyone believes race relations better under President Obama... brooklynite Feb 2016 #162

Good work in this thread, btw. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #164

Clinton: we're seeing the dark side of remaining racism brooklynite Feb 2016 #171

She's not answering... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #174

Hillary not falling into the anti-O trap there BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #166

yes, he is perfect Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #191

What's his approval rating with D voters in SC? BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #209

Loving these moderators Arazi Feb 2016 #168

dammit, hillary, its not an accomplishemt to get them insurance... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #169

...and doesn't Sanders see that Wall Street reform doesn't help them either? brooklynite Feb 2016 #177

so letting the big money guys skate restorefreedom Feb 2016 #236

Well said. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #187

:) nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #239

Wish Bernie would mention Clinton's funding from the private prison lobbyists Chezboo Feb 2016 #172

he rarely attacks dana_b Feb 2016 #181

What Sec Clinton should have pointed out is that the GOP has done nothing but book_worm Feb 2016 #173

Bernie seems tired or something firebrand80 Feb 2016 #176

Nah...he doesn't yell all the time... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #180

Someone should mention Wall St. firebrand80 Feb 2016 #198

Is his voice raspy? my feed has a gurgle and pixelation issue. bettyellen Feb 2016 #183

Sounds like he might have a bit of a cold nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #190

He seems to have a bad cough. There's a lot of viruses going around. I hope he's ok. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #267

Anyone hearing she's using "we" so much more now? Arazi Feb 2016 #179

I wondered if she was. Good move. nolabear Feb 2016 #185

in the first part she was saying "I", "I", "I" but dana_b Feb 2016 #195

She's been watching those game tapes. Definitely an improvement, nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #196

Agreed (nt) Kurovski Feb 2016 #245

Sanders pivots back to economic message brooklynite Feb 2016 #182

when I visited Milwaukee as a kid, I thought it was 100% white. I had no idea.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #189

Question about "white people"... brooklynite Feb 2016 #186

Clinton discusses alcoholism, addition, etc. brooklynite Feb 2016 #188

It was, and a good one too! BTW- thanks for stating this thread and your comments!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #205

is it true your slogan is "we hate white people"? A DUer suggested that to me this week. LOL CRAZY! bettyellen Feb 2016 #206

Sander's answer on the racial issue is a bit tone def. He keeps bringing up wall street. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #192

not recognizing the connection is whats tone deaf. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #220

What is her plan on helping coal country? Sincere question. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #197

Here's her plan for the coal communities ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #217

Thank you. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #253

Coal country jobs. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #199

West Virginia is a great great state, with some of the nicest people I've met..... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #202

Work doesn't pay in WV hollowdweller Feb 2016 #223

Not in coal country hollowdweller Feb 2016 #214

Yep! It's a beautiful state! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #228

The WV legislature is working to kill that. jeff47 Feb 2016 #264

Persistent generational poverty is a real issue that doesn't get discussed often enough. nolabear Feb 2016 #201

it is, that was a good point. looking at neighborhoods. JudyM Feb 2016 #213

trade now Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #204

Yeah he was great on the NAFTA comment. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #218

Question to Sanders: One source of anxiety to working class people is immigrants brooklynite Feb 2016 #210

The answer is "Yes." Nice and to the point. nolabear Feb 2016 #212

Sanders: Bring (immigrant) families together brooklynite Feb 2016 #216

THANK YOU! I missed a bit from the phone call and appreciate your summaries! bettyellen Feb 2016 #219

I feel like he is finally giving POTUS some credit while disagreeing. Smart. bettyellen Feb 2016 #215

It is smart. nolabear Feb 2016 #227

I think they BOTH have polished their acts, just in the last week. Nice !!! bettyellen Feb 2016 #240

I agree. Again, they are the adults. We NEED adults. nolabear Feb 2016 #242

^^^THIS RIGHT THERE ^^^ bettyellen Feb 2016 #247

she is against president Obama Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #221

WOW. Executive order for immigrants. BOLD. nolabear Feb 2016 #222

Clinton: I voted for comprehensive immigration reform; Sen Sanders voted against it brooklynite Feb 2016 #225

boom, he explains it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #233

Guest worker program "Akin to slavery" TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #238

Voting to keep gov open amendments were snuck in bjobotts Feb 2016 #270

Maybe start a new thread? Getting long Arazi Feb 2016 #226

Yes please. nolabear Feb 2016 #231

Wow, bernie is nailing this debate. Has far exceeded my expectations! californiabernin Feb 2016 #229

Agreed. 100% agree. eom Arazi Feb 2016 #241

HEY GUYS- Is there a better feed than PBS? This is AWFUL!! bettyellen Feb 2016 #232

I'm watching on CNN. Seems OK. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #246

must be a local FIOS issue. :-( Tks! bettyellen Feb 2016 #251

try GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #250

I disagree with Bernie on this (partially...immigration)... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #234

Tks for the summary- I could not make out half his words. Grrr. Garbled feed sucks. bettyellen Feb 2016 #244

Actually, we can. jeff47 Feb 2016 #265

Continuation thread..... brooklynite Feb 2016 #237

Bernie is right on the guest worker program hollowdweller Feb 2016 #243

he should have gotten her on the private prison thing there n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #248

Woah, great response back against President Kennedy's bill by Bernie. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #249

The public isn't stupid! GO Bernie!!! RiverLover Feb 2016 #261