2016 Postmortem

OrwellwasRight

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49. FTAs do not "replace" the WTO.

Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:01 AM

Feb 2016

And neoliberalism is not new. It's been around and failing for decades. Remember the Great Recession thingy we had back in 2007? yeah, that. That was caused by neoliberalism -- aka deregulation, detaxation. It doesn't work unless your goal is to concentrate wealth at the top. That is what our domestic economic policies do. And that is what our international economic policies do.

You really do need to get educated on trade. You seem to have no idea at all what it is about.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/if_trade_is_war_its_time_we_fought_back_20150521
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Labor-Advisory-Committee-for-Trade-Negotiations-and-Trade-Policy.pdf
http://www.cato.org/publications/cato-online-forum/ttip-battle-soul-trade-policy
http://www.cato.org/publications/free-trade-bulletin/compromise-advance-trade-agenda-purge-negotiations-investor-state

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Do I understand Bernie correctly? [View all] BainsBane Feb 2016 OP

The TPP which was specifically designed to exclude China? Recursion Feb 2016 #1

LOL BainsBane Feb 2016 #3

I posted the excerpt from the transcript below BainsBane Feb 2016 #23

Open relations is good. Trade agreements that result in American corporations firing their workers, Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #2

Except his response was to Clinton's point BainsBane Feb 2016 #4

We don't have a free trade agreement with China. They'll never agree to one. Recursion Feb 2016 #7

Certainly we do. The PNTR, which was signed by President Clinton hedda_foil Feb 2016 #16

PNTR is just that, "normal". We don't specifically sanction them. Recursion Feb 2016 #17

Please read what I posted. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #18

I did. It's not an FTA. It's normal trading relations (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #19

You don't need an "FTA" to have "free trade." OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #33

It is FREE TRADE. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #36

Which is why FTAs are a much better framework, and why they've been D policy for 25 years Recursion Feb 2016 #39

FTAs do not "replace" the WTO. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #49

Wow... Truthdig *and* Cato? That's got to be a record. Recursion Feb 2016 #50

Wow. So sad that you OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #54

You're gonna scalp me but.... Armstead Feb 2016 #30

Noooo, I love your hair! bettyellen Feb 2016 #35

Your hair is safe, and I take your point Recursion Feb 2016 #40

China has a minimum wage. So does Vietnam. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #42

Of course we have FTAs with Latin American countries; that was my point Recursion Feb 2016 #43

And Mexico and Japan. Ahem. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #51

Japan? Japan has been a source of US jobs, not a sink Recursion Feb 2016 #52

Wow. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #56

I think Ford pulled out of Japan because its cars were just too damned expensive Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #65

Also China has no national minimum wage, though some provinces have set them Recursion Feb 2016 #44

China has them, it just doesn't pay them. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #57

No, you don't. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #5

Sanders isn't interested in FP, hes made that overt uponit7771 Feb 2016 #6

No. You don't. eom Fawke Em Feb 2016 #8

Free trade with China was a problem that Bernie recognized in 2003 Mnpaul Feb 2016 #9

We don't have an FTA with China. We probably never will. Recursion Feb 2016 #15

I was going to post "free trade" but it didn't fit Mnpaul Feb 2016 #20

Hilarious. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #32

Easy question, No you intentionally misunderstand him Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #10

Obviously not. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #11

no H2O Man Feb 2016 #12

Yeah... um, no. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #13

I'll wait for the transcripts of that portion of the debate to be posted BainsBane Feb 2016 #14

Here is the quote, verbatim BainsBane Feb 2016 #21

Hello. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #26

Yes, I was mistaken to think he was discussing policy BainsBane Feb 2016 #29

NO SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #22

You what's funny? OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #24

This is GD-P, not the Bernie group BainsBane Feb 2016 #27

You are correct - I didn't see that I had jumped forums. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #58

Did you miss the part about Kissinger's culpability in the humanitarian catastrophe in Cambodia? Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #25

Yeah, that part I knew about BainsBane Feb 2016 #28

oooh, that would like TOTALLY be a burn, except..... it's not. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #31

Okay, whatever you say BainsBane Feb 2016 #37

oh snap, BB. Well said! bettyellen Feb 2016 #38

Hey, I haven't seen you in like forever BainsBane Feb 2016 #45

Hanging tough, laying low... Hows tricks with you? bettyellen Feb 2016 #47

That sucks BainsBane Feb 2016 #48

I decided I am not doing JACK SHIT till there is a nominee. My state will not matter for primary... bettyellen Feb 2016 #55

It's quite cold here too BainsBane Feb 2016 #59

THANK YOU FOR THIS ----> "I've been able to persuade some people..." I am good on the phone too! bettyellen Feb 2016 #61

I actually think it's a pretty cogent fucking observation, although the debate format doesn't really Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #46

Then you agree with my initial impression BainsBane Feb 2016 #60

some people look better on paper Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #62

Yes, your command of the English language is unquestioned BainsBane Feb 2016 #63

Secretary Clinton has done better, overall, the past 2 debates because Foreign Policy is clearly Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #67

I agree with most of that BainsBane Feb 2016 #68

Kissinger bad-mouthed the threat of China during the Vietnam WAR PROFITEERING YEARS. valerief Feb 2016 #34

No. Your failure of comprehension is your belief that trade with China is new. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #41

Sanders does not understand foreign policy Gothmog Feb 2016 #53

This is what I'm seeing. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #71

China is not part of the TPP ! KelleyKramer Feb 2016 #64

Can you not separate the concepts of friendly relations vs unproductive trade deals? phleshdef Feb 2016 #66

No, you misunderstand him AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #69

I very much doubt it. LWolf Feb 2016 #70