My detailed take on why NOT Bernie Sanders

[jeff47]

67. Point by point...

- How is Sanders going to make doctors, hospitals and pharma accept half of what they're being paid now under his SP plan... otherwise we just keep the high HC cost and switch who were paying HCI premiums to.

First, "Half" is not accurate. Every other first-world nation does not pay doctors and hospitals half of what US doctors and hospitals get. At least, not broadly - there are a few specialties where US doctors get LOTS more money, but cosmetic surgeons aren't going to be getting a lot of single-payer money.

As for how it happens, first to go would be the large bonuses and very high salaries for hospital administrators, since that is the easiest for them to cut. The talking point that it's your personal doctor who'd take the big hit is not accurate.

Also, there is plenty of cruft and gift in our current system. For example, all those pharmacy reps treating doctors to lunch and other perks mean drugs cost more. Any realistic single-payer program negotiates drug prices, and those would be an easy expense to cut.

- How is Sanders going to get any of this revolution agenda past congress?! (HRC isn't calling for revolution inside her own party, that's Sanders cross to bear)

None of it will pass in the next two years.

If you want to claim Clinton is better on this point, explain in detail how she gets ACA expansion through the Congress that has voted to repeal the ACA more than 60 times. None of her proposals can happen without an appropriation.

Fact is, neither candidate's platform has any chance to pass in the next two years. The reason for Sanders being more "aspirational" is to draw disaffected voters back to the politics and the polls. Clinton's more-or-less status-quo plans keep the status quo in voters, too. That status quo keeps the Republicans competitive, even if they are completely insane.

- Sanders Wall Street plan doesn't fix the effects of Sanders horrid CFMA vote

Clinton's plan does even less.

The crux of Sanders's plan is to break up the banks so that individual shadow bank failures do not threaten the entire system. The S&L crisis was bad, but it wasn't 2008 bad. Let's do similar so that a future Lehman or AIG failure can not destroy the global economy.

Clinton's plan is to wait for the problem to start, and somehow the avalanche will be stopped after it starts.

2. Sanders wants a "course correction" and sounds like he wants to put asunder generations of democratic progress with his revolution just to start over on a lot of grounds.

Did you object to Bill Clinton shredding the New Deal? No? Then stop posting this lying talking point. Single payer is not shredding the ACA first and then getting single-payer. The ACA stays in place until single-payer passes.

Heck, the most likely route for us to get single-payer is to use the ACA and pass per-state public options.

Sanders most disingenuous claim is Obama didn't bring the people with him after he got into office... I've gotten so many OFA emails I shut them off.

Not in January 2009. OFA was more-or-less rudderless for about the first 9 months of his presidency. By then, the movement had dispersed. A massive spam campaign now does not recreate November 2008.

3. Sanders "revolution" has too many asterisks by it that leaves out the supposed near instant equalization of marginalized groups (native Americans, Blacks, women)

Try actually looking at his plans. Project Zero likes his social justice platform. Clinton has not released a complete plan yet. So odd for the candidate who's supposed to be so detail-oriented and compelete

that he claims his revolution of changes could bring to SP to free college and to {free something else next week}.

Reagan would like his Welfare Queens talking point back.

You fund single-payer by converting "insurance premium" into "tax". It leaves my paycheck no matter which name you use.

"Free" public universities actually make the government money. You pay when a taxpayer is young, and you get paid back several times that cost in taxes over the rest of that person's life. Statistics show that even if a college graduate gets a job that does not use their degree, they still make more money over the rest of their life. Make more money means pay more taxes.

You fund public universities by taxing students for the rest of their lives. The difference is the taxes are low when they are starting out, and they pay more once they can afford to pay more. This is the reverse of student loans, which hit former students when they are least able to afford to pay.

Clinton's plan centers around lowering the interest rate on student loans. That actually means students will go deeper into debt. Lower interest means you can afford to borrow more money. So tuition shoots up because students can now afford $150k in debt instead of $100k.

4. Sanders focus is narrow, he doesn't make any qualms about it. A total lack of foreign policy INTEREST

So we should vote for the candidate who got Iraq wrong, got Libya wrong, wants to put ground troops in Syria and somehow will have a no-fly-zone that requires shooting down Russian jets to enforce.

Given that choice, I'll take that "inexperienced" candidate every. single. time.

Clinton, she wants t build on top of what Obama has incrementally... that's at least proven to work... slowly but surely.

It has not proven to work. It has utterly failed the bottom 80% of our economy.

1. Sanders came to this primary with an establishment mindset; that groups of marginalized people would join his revolution if they just heard about it vs building a relationship and finding out what said people needed...aka, taking even imperfect relationships with people for grated.

Projection much?

So...which candidate skipped the round table in MN last week? Which candidate skipped NRN? Which candidate had BLM activists thrown out?

2. Sanders purity test is something even he can't pass.

Sanders doesn't have a purity test. Clinton supporters created this concept in order to attack Sanders. Sanders has policies he supports. Some times he has to compromise to get half-a-bag. Clinton supporters claim this is a character flaw when Sanders does this, but is wonderful when Clinton compromises to get one-sixteenth-a-bag.

3. Sanders overall has never been the person he's bashed others for not being

Again, your false caricature of Sanders is not who he is. Any more than Fox's caricature of Clinton is who she is.

- Cops to stop murdering Americans for minimal causation of being sKeered?!

Well, Sanders is in Congress. There's this guy in the White House right now who has the power to do something about this. You praise him heavily...but demand Sanders do more than him.

- Getting medicare for all past congress during the ACA fight

Wait...so it is a massive problem when Sanders opposes Obama....and you're now attacking him for not opposing Obama.

Pick an argument, and stick with it.

- Reducing military spending and pegging our resourses for relative little gain

So we need an unlimited military budget? You want more Afghanistans, Iraqs, Libyas and Syrias?

- Reducing the threat gun manufactures and gun attitudes placed on this country

So now Sanders is supposed to re-write the minds of gun nuts in order to be acceptable? Why is this not a criteria for any other candidate?

- Getting Single payer passed in VT

That was blocked by Governor Shumlin. Who's a moderate that supports Clinton.