2016 Postmortem

uponit7771

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120. Cali, stop calling me upa... I don't know who that person is and now your arguments are flailing to

Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:29 PM

Feb 2016

... more ad homs.

and in context anyone who's reading what I wrote knows damn well the "purity test" isn't something Sanders administered on paper...

Come now, let us reason together

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My detailed take on why NOT Bernie Sanders [View all] uponit7771 Feb 2016 OP

I would rather have an honest progressive fighting for real change, so I will vote Bernie. peacebird Feb 2016 #1

Hillary Clinton isn't a perfect honest person ... neither is Bernie Sanders. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #30

Hillary has been caught in multiple flat out lies. Bernie? No. peacebird Feb 2016 #34

Hillary is not Lucifers daughter either... She's honest ENOUGH... not a glaring recommendation uponit7771 Feb 2016 #59

why did you conflate a smear of Bernie in your original post? saying neither was totally honest? peacebird Feb 2016 #64

It was a big post, could you point that out for me? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #83

30. Hillary Clinton isn't a perfect honest person ... neither is Bernie Sanders. peacebird Feb 2016 #109

uponit: It is my opinion when you befriend/mentor/vacation with roguevalley Feb 2016 #113

Could you show evidence of her doing this? Also, can the same be said about Sanders relationship uponit7771 Feb 2016 #115

here you go roguevalley Feb 2016 #174

That doesn't look good... can you saynthe same for biiga and west? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #190

I have no idea what they/that are/is. roguevalley Feb 2016 #221

> Emelio Zappata says it all for me and Bernie-- geologic Feb 2016 #169

Did you actually just say "She's honest ENOUGH"? Bubzer Feb 2016 #133

Yeap, to some that's stupid to people who are expecting adequte she'll work. Sanders gets uponit7771 Feb 2016 #146

"She's honest enough"? Another 'backhanded compliment', LOL John Poet Feb 2016 #226

"She's honest ENOUGH." SheilaT Feb 2016 #142

Good question, no it is... I'm not expecting Obama out of Clinton and Clinton is not Bush... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #149

She screwed up a whole lot more than the sniper fire thing, SheilaT Feb 2016 #159

she is not honest at all Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #56

George Bush lied when the truth served him better, I don't think Hillary is on that level uponit7771 Feb 2016 #60

I go into more detail but then I'd have to dodge "SNIPER FIRE" :) azurnoir Feb 2016 #63

lol Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #69

You're right, she's dead on screwed up with some crap before ... she's still not a consistent uponit7771 Feb 2016 #76

'scuse me? who is the "abhorrent liar" who is the worst of "us"? azurnoir Feb 2016 #121

Bush, ... Hillary's not.... and honest enough to believe that she's down for progressive causes ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #124

I've never considered Bush to be one of "us" and Hillary she's only "down" with progressive causes azurnoir Feb 2016 #129

Sanders isn't? You do understand his take on why reparations isn't part of the revolution right? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #157

yes I do understand, do you? also do you understand Obama's take on reparations? azurnoir Feb 2016 #160

so you really think she is looking in to it? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #71

No, I don't think Sanders had JUST some "criticisms" either uponit7771 Feb 2016 #77

George Bush lied.... Hillary is on that level AlbertCat Feb 2016 #144

No she's not... (said with exasperation) ... damn, stop that .. Bush lied when the truth would uponit7771 Feb 2016 #153

So far this week end.... in this DEMOCRATIC primary... AlbertCat Feb 2016 #161

Me too. Besides, Doctors will basically have the same pay after Medicare For All. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #48

Which does nothing to pair the high cost of HC in America, that takes care of low hanging fruit wher uponit7771 Feb 2016 #61

In my area some doctors have converted to LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #102

Not having office staff dealing with a dizzying array of private insurance companies would probably AlbertCat Feb 2016 #155

There's A LOT Of That In My Area and There's Also... ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #212

then there won't be anything like the cost savings he is saying there would be dsc Feb 2016 #147

+1, Doctors and Pharma would have to take massive cuts too... his revolution has too uponit7771 Feb 2016 #151

You're talking doctor's "officies" and "clinics". You're talking "hospitals". Enthusiast Feb 2016 #166

what do you think the biggest part of a doctor's office is dsc Feb 2016 #168

How do all those other countrys manage? Enthusiast Feb 2016 #177

caps on doctors pay for specialist... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #198

hearty kick and recommend! boston bean Feb 2016 #2

Wow, what a well written and thought out piece. At least for me it is a lot to think about still_one Feb 2016 #3

thx uponit7771 Feb 2016 #62

My take? 99Forever Feb 2016 #4

Who cares? n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #40

Apparently the OP, since he asked. 99Forever Feb 2016 #51

LOL! n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #52

Huge +1! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #49

Soooooooo, what you mostly have is ad homs which are an indicator of weak arguments? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #80

Uh no. 99Forever Feb 2016 #128

Predictable, fearful and not even worth commenting on cali Feb 2016 #5

It obviously was worth commenting on, because you did Empowerer Feb 2016 #24

I should have said not worth parsing or dismantling. cali Feb 2016 #26

No you haven't Cali, pick a small section and lets go at then... you're not... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #28

With savage glee, my dear upaloosa. cali Feb 2016 #42

1. Strawman, no one said he hasn't been fighting for minority causes he's just not going uponit7771 Feb 2016 #55

Lol. You need to learn what a strawman is. You certainly use armies of them, upa cali Feb 2016 #97

Cali, stop calling me upa... I don't know who that person is and now your arguments are flailing to uponit7771 Feb 2016 #120

Ok. But sorry, I dismantled you false claims. cali Feb 2016 #181

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position or weak retort uponit7771 Feb 2016 #27

And I smashed your false claims. Admittedly, it's child's play. cali Feb 2016 #99

No you didn't, your overt strawman is an attempt at deffection... you can't proffer something as uponit7771 Feb 2016 #123

As opposed to a lot of the tripe that you post incessantly? Beacool Feb 2016 #167

Yum, yum: tripe... geologic Feb 2016 #170

I agree with you but his supporters think he can walk on water doc03 Feb 2016 #6

2008 called. They want their stupid meme back. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #9

"The skies will open..." worked so well last time around though. frylock Feb 2016 #65

Not at all. He's represented me for decades and I am cali Feb 2016 #10

No but, I would rather drink a glass of water with Bernie than a flute of champagne with Hillary. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #58

I can sum up your detailed take in five words tularetom Feb 2016 #7

... not only that but he used some really screwed up racialied bomb throwers to do it in front uponit7771 Feb 2016 #156

My take is Bernie needs your help cause he ain't superman. Sorry that push button Democracy Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #8

Duck!!! In coming. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #11

This juxtaposition of free edcation with our bloated military... stone space Feb 2016 #12

Hard to say.. speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #13

Cutting out private HCI would be about 200 billion, that's in his own proposals... thx for uponit7771 Feb 2016 #90

Looks like the regular spin of the usual falsehoods. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #14

Like Sanders campaign these retorts begs the question; "Where's the beef!?!!?" uponit7771 Feb 2016 #57

All true, but it doesn't matter frazzled Feb 2016 #15

This /nt. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #31

Sanders and Trump selling anger" -- yup: In simple phrases, Hortensis Feb 2016 #32

YES... they're angry, mostly at having to cede power to the others uponit7771 Feb 2016 #37

Yeah, that's why people are angry. frylock Feb 2016 #68

The great Centrist revolution was a failure noiretextatique Feb 2016 #217

+1 n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #41

.... a well written piece of defeatist propaganda. I don't agree with a word of it. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #16

Good analysis mainstreetonce Feb 2016 #17

Still a better choice... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #18

Sanders hasn't focused people towards these revolutions in the past why in the world would anyone uponit7771 Feb 2016 #92

A revolution is never planned behind closed doors... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #186

ummm. yes it is... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #199

So an uprising is carefully crafted by the elites towards themselves? Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #213

I appreciate your taking the time and effiort to explain so comprehensively Armstead Feb 2016 #19

you sound like all the other TV talking heads SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #20

Good... so you understand why some are voting for Hillary? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #192

Kicked and highly recommended n/t cosmicone Feb 2016 #21

4 words to support Sanders- A more perfect union. Gregorian Feb 2016 #22

Amen. n/t vaberella Feb 2016 #23

I'm a progressive fighting for real change - so I'm voting for Hllary. OhZone Feb 2016 #25

Yes! peggysue2 Feb 2016 #98

Intresting ejbr Feb 2016 #29

guns?!...I fimd his well documented support of them hurtful uponit7771 Feb 2016 #194

He's not perfect, ejbr Feb 2016 #215

sorry, but you lost me at "lacks any practicality" tk2kewl Feb 2016 #33

...then they spell check you... then you...... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #126

sorry phone auto complete tk2kewl Feb 2016 #140

FDR colsohlibgal Feb 2016 #35

FDR had 80% and 70% dem congress's throughout his term(S) as president..... YES, it would've uponit7771 Feb 2016 #36

Does that explain why Obama allowed Goldman Sachs and the big banks Tiggeroshii Feb 2016 #130

HELL YES!!! K, do you think Obama would go lighter on them if his congress was 80% dem? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #195

I like how you wrote a lot of words and yet avoided hitting anything of substance. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #38

You linked to the Ron Paul Institute? Fuck Ron Paul. JTFrog Feb 2016 #43

Is that video of Bernie or someone else named Ron Paul? Kalidurga Feb 2016 #44

Why would you drive traffic with click bait to Ron Paul's website? JTFrog Feb 2016 #45

If you want another source all you have to do is ask nicely. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #46

Another? JTFrog Feb 2016 #47

It's good to know that hate puts blinders on people Kalidurga Feb 2016 #50

Oh I know the source doesn't matter to you. JTFrog Feb 2016 #54

sorce-rer... geologic Feb 2016 #163

The problem with a self imposed bubble of PC sources LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #183

I miss the old DU so much. JTFrog Feb 2016 #185

Well I just think we have to stop this purity test...if a source actually HELPS us. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #189

I wouldn't even bother reasoning with this poster -- the video is clearly from Bernie's YT channel JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #227

This is false on its face... I'll get back to you in a second. Come now let us reason together uponit7771 Feb 2016 #73

You would have to have wrote something of reason. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #104

So what that he's talked about it... that's where it ends, he's not proffered a workable plan to get uponit7771 Feb 2016 #138

I find it odd you set the bar so high for Bernie and literally no one else. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #145

Sanders bashes Hillary for taken money from wall street, HE set the high bar on her so uponit7771 Feb 2016 #235

Huge difference between being beholden to the party and being beholden to the 1%. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #237

Cause the party is full of working class folk right?! REALLY?! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #239

No it isn't false. He is correct pinebox Feb 2016 #106

Thoughtful essay mcar Feb 2016 #39

thx! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #204

Spreading Ever More Establishment FUD - So Predictable cantbeserious Feb 2016 #53

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Feb 2016 #95

No Ad Hominem - Though Sloppy Posting Of Establishment FUD cantbeserious Feb 2016 #116

More ad homs suggest a weak position uponit7771 Feb 2016 #125

Posting Establishment FUD Represents A Weak Position cantbeserious Feb 2016 #127

Excellent! I agree with this message! BooScout Feb 2016 #66

Thx, hopefully I don't get the dreaded "This Message has been hidden..." uponit7771 Feb 2016 #96

Point by point... jeff47 Feb 2016 #67

good job-- you nailed it Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #78

:hattip: jeff47 Feb 2016 #87

Thx, I will get back to this reply in a sec... come now, let us reason together... regards uponit7771 Feb 2016 #86

nice summary Locrian Feb 2016 #131

I wish I had included one other thing. jeff47 Feb 2016 #139

yes Locrian Feb 2016 #175

Well done! pberq Feb 2016 #141

Very good post. rec. MerryBlooms Feb 2016 #143

How shocking that your very detailed post has not received a substantive reply from the OP. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #228

Yes utterly shocking. I would have never expected they'd fail to respond. jeff47 Feb 2016 #232

My parents house burned down this weekend, it was the house in KC that was on FAUX news... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #234

I am so sorry n/t wildeyed Feb 2016 #240

Point by point back uponit7771 Feb 2016 #236

In one word... risky. DCBob Feb 2016 #70

funny that is how Hillary is for me Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #72

Funny.. not surprised you would feel that way. DCBob Feb 2016 #79

Hillary is just as risky, and is less liberal Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #81

Nah.. she will beat any Republican like drum just like she did in the Benghazi interrogations. DCBob Feb 2016 #84

elections are different and a presidential election is a whole other ballgame Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #89

And you think running for office in Vermont prepares Bernie for a cut-throat Presidential campaign? DCBob Feb 2016 #93

Wall of words. Can you excerpt the part where you explain why LGBT should support a candidate who Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #74

Sanders only legislated against LGBT rights for a second... My argument isn't Clinton is ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #100

Sanders never so legislated. Jon Capehart, is that you? Love the glasses. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #178

he's a teller of hard truths, and he's correct on all the major issues Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #75

Bernie Sanders got an amendment passed to the ACA letting states choose Single Payer. Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #82

Very good point in this context, something to think about in his support. I'm talking about uponit7771 Feb 2016 #110

In answer to your Highly skewed Question " Where was Sanders ass was at when the left needed his Rev orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #85

I have very nuanced and well thought out wildeyed Feb 2016 #88

Excellent analysis pandr32 Feb 2016 #91

YES.. YES and YES... That blood bath would give the GOP another half generation of gerrymandering uponit7771 Feb 2016 #101

Thanks for your input pandr32 Feb 2016 #118

Sanders was interested enough to read the Iraq intelligence report Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #94

But not interested enough to read how gun manufacture immunity was going to hurt communities uponit7771 Feb 2016 #103

Liability doesn't make sense, nor does your stone throwing. Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #111

Oh, come on. Bernie knows what's best for people of color. It's not his fault that WE don't know Empowerer Feb 2016 #112

I noticed you changed the subject Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #148

they always do n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #211

This was interesting mac2766 Feb 2016 #105

Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet Gothmog Feb 2016 #107

+1, something empirical to add... he could add votes later but it needs to be better than Obama uponit7771 Feb 2016 #114

Then you agree that the revolution is not happening yet Gothmog Feb 2016 #224

LOL, are you clueless? What about the fundraising records he has broke? Denial is not a fact. You... Logical Feb 2016 #132

Where are the million and millions of new voters? Gothmog Feb 2016 #223

Bernie is bringing up important issues One of the 99 Feb 2016 #108

Stopped reading after 1). Fearless Feb 2016 #117

typical cut and run no? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #200

I am not obligated to sit through stupid bullshit. Fearless Feb 2016 #229

Nobody cares about your reason to NOT vote for Bernie. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #119

This is false on its face uponit7771 Feb 2016 #201

You probably aren't very old. It used to be common to have someone you could vote FOR, A Simple Game Feb 2016 #214

You speak for me, uponit7771. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #122

Wonderful analysis, Uponit! lunamagica Feb 2016 #134

Incremental progress works. HassleCat Feb 2016 #135

My take? #FeelTheBern and welcome to reality. pinebox Feb 2016 #136

"Foreign policy" is usually shorthand for "Who shall we bomb next?" Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #137

When I see post Marty McGraw Feb 2016 #150

i have been throughout this thread... care to dabble....? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #202

( ._.) Marty McGraw Feb 2016 #220

so you accept Clinton's lie about the CFMA? amborin Feb 2016 #152

So Sanders didn't vote for the CFMA?!?! Really, you now his votes are public right? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #158

And yet this pinebox Feb 2016 #162

irelevant... Sanders voted for it...Clinton already has poor jusgement by his standards uponit7771 Feb 2016 #207

NOPE, Sanders didn't; there were 2 versions, did you read the blurb? amborin Feb 2016 #165

so yes he did?! both versions were bad uponit7771 Feb 2016 #203

Not Accurate in My View aintitfunny Feb 2016 #154

Thank you, well written essay. Beacool Feb 2016 #164

Me too... geologic Feb 2016 #172

Sorry, but I think that you miss the point.... seekthetruth Feb 2016 #171

...and Sanders hands are NOT CLEAN on that EITHER!!! I think Sanders folk miss the point that if he' uponit7771 Feb 2016 #176

Reason #1: he's being used to take out a Dem frontrunner with a 110% chance of winning the GE. ucrdem Feb 2016 #173

Clinton has no path to victory. basselope Feb 2016 #180

Bill won twice, Barack won twice, and every Dem who has ever won anything will make sure she wins. ucrdem Feb 2016 #182

Bill and Obama both came off disastrous GOP administrations. basselope Feb 2016 #187

Horseshit, Hillary is a loser, especiually if she's going against Trump. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #193

Trump won't win any more than Romney won. Hill just has to keep the Obama coaltion together ucrdem Feb 2016 #219

Flat out not true. wildeyed Feb 2016 #222

Some answers... basselope Feb 2016 #179

posted for return...thx for reply we''l discuss uponit7771 Feb 2016 #206

Everything you say is wrong AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #184

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Feb 2016 #188

This "NO WE CAN'T" BS is getting old. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #191

less sad than selling unicorns for good feelings uponit7771 Feb 2016 #196

Thanks for proving my point. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #197

that most of the retort on this thread is ad homs? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #205

More like you are refusing to listen to Bernie supporters... Odin2005 Feb 2016 #210

Unnnnn, noooo... I've responded to people who have outlined objetions. I'm talking about uponit7771 Feb 2016 #225

Stay the course...incrementalism, etc noiretextatique Feb 2016 #218

more of the same old bullshit...no wonder this country is so fucked up bowens43 Feb 2016 #208

Its simple for me. I'm a minority and dont trust him. Lots of us. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #209

It Would Be Nice IF People Would Take Some Time To Actually ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #216

Excellent OP. K and r. oasis Feb 2016 #230

Kick and Rec! DesertRat Feb 2016 #231

thx uponit7771 Feb 2016 #233

The Pragmatic Case for Bernie Sanders aintitfunny Feb 2016 #238

The case for pragmatism could be made if there were workable plan or a history of his uponit7771 Feb 2016 #241

If you look at Iowa, NH aintitfunny Feb 2016 #242

Excellent points...all. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #243

Kick and unrec. N/t Dawgs Mar 2016 #244