2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: My detailed take on why NOT Bernie Sanders [View all]pinebox
(5,761 posts)You cite a lot of things here but you fail to realize that Hillary is damaged goods and sorry but nobody wants a Samsonite backed up travel bag filled with old bones as President. Why do you think she is seen as not being trustworthy by the majority of American's? There's a reason for that you know.
You say Bernie has no sweeping reform and such but can you cite something Hillary has done please? Because guess what? You can't. Meanwhile are you aware that Bernie is called "The Amendment King"?
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in-washington-a-legislative-inventory/
You cite Bernie not getting single payer passed in VT like it's some huge thing but Bernie works in DC, he isn't on the state level. When was the last time a senator/congressman who served in DC helped to pass a local state issue? They have no vote. Yet you act like Bernie did. Sorry but how about "NOPE."
Yet remind us again who has changed her mind on every single issue. Was that Bernie? No it was Hillary and yet you want to give her a free pass on these things. Really? Allow me to remind you.
But Bernie is the big bad guy, right? Oh? Let's take a good look at how Bernie and Hillary voted whee they both served at the same shall we? A side by side comparison and that is where the clarity lies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html



You cite some speel about Bernie hasn't revealed anything when it comes to healthcare. I will cite you this and say that Hillary's plan leaves millions to die. Literally. In fact, what was it you and so many so called "Dems" have been fighting for years and screaming about how people are dying? It's ironic that Indy's like myself seem to be more of a Democrat than many Hillary supporters. You guys repeat RW talking points, verbatim, that sounds like the Republicans talking against the ACA. I fully expect the whole death panel discussion to start happening at any second.

Bernie has constantly based the establishment and Obama? Can you tell us please where this so called "constant bashing" is taking place? Ya Bernie called out Obama on some shitty things he did like TPP and? What's your point. Politicians should be held accountable, they serve us and us only. That is how Democracy and Freedom Of Speech works. Sorry but we're sick and tired of this whole crap of "get in line and say nothing" junk. No, we've had enough and people on BOTH SIDES are tired of it when our politicians are bought and sold by special interest like a commodity and the American people are whored out for "The establishment" just like the 89 Dems who voted to gut SNAP http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1/29/1273428/-These-89-Democrats-Voted-to-Cut-8-7-Billion-from-Food-Stamps
But you don't want to hear that do you? Of course not. Go look at that list. Who do you see?
You mention minority support but remind us who was the worst at that and who hurt millions of minorities? Bill Clinton's welfare reform which Hillary staunchly defended. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/
But you don't want to hear that do you?

I find it hilarious that you say this;
Tell us please, who well versed was Obama in that area when he ran for POTUS? We'll wait.
Meanwhile Hillary has horrible judgement. Who voted for Iraq and who didn't?
Argument over.
Now let's look at this.
TPP
KXL
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Having a melt down as SOS over gender changes of same sex couple
Wall Street donations
Speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Calling herself a moderate
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
Pro arctic drilling
pro fracking
on and on..........................
Sorry but the coronation has been cancelled and we're not interested in a weathervane who flip flops on everything.

