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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: My detailed take on why NOT Bernie Sanders [View all]amborin
(16,631 posts)152. so you accept Clinton's lie about the CFMA?
The Clintons have no shame, that much you can count on. That stupefying arrogance was on full display in the most recent presidential campaign debate when Hillary Clinton countered Bernie Sanders charge that she was compromised by her close ties to Goldman Sachs and other rapacious Wall Street interests with the retort: Sen. Sanders, youre the only one on this stage that voted to deregulate the financial markets in 2000, ... to make the SEC and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission no longer able to regulate swaps and derivatives, which were one of the main causes of the collapse in 08.
Hillary knows that the disastrous legislation, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act (CFMA), had nothing to do with Sanders and everything to do with then-President Bill Clinton, who devoted his presidency to sucking up to Wall Street. Clinton signed this bill into law as a lame-duck president, ensuring his wife would have massive Wall Street contributions for her Senate run.
Sanders, like the rest of Congress, was blackmailed into voting for the bill because it was tucked into omnibus legislation needed to keep the government operating. Only libertarian Ron Paul and three other House members had the guts to cast a nay vote. The measure freeing Wall Street firms from regulation was inserted at the last moment in a deal between President Clinton and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Phil Gramm, R-Texas, who had failed in an earlier attempt to get the measure enacted. Clinton signed it into law a month before leaving office.
Sanders soon figured out that he and almost all other Congress members had been tricked into providing a blank check for the marketing of bogus collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps made legal by the legislation, of which a key author was Gary Gensler, the former Goldman Sachs partner recruited by Clinton to be undersecretary of the treasury.
Eight years later, when President Obama nominated Gensler to head the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, it was Sanders who put a temporary hold on the nomination, stating: Mr. Gensler worked with Sen. Phil Gramm and [former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman] Alan Greenspan to exempt credit default swaps from regulation, which led to the collapse of AIG and has resulted in the largest taxpayer bailout in U.S. history.
Today, Gensler is the top economic adviser to Hillary Clintons presidential campaign. And the CFMAkey legislation that was one of the main causes of the collapse in 08, enabling the great recessionis an enormous embarrassment that her husband on occasion reluctantly has conceded was drafted by his top aides and signed into law by him with great enthusiasm.
In an awkward power-couple footnote, Greenspan, chief prophet of radical banking deregulation, is married to NBC journalist Andrea Mitchell, one of the two debate moderators Sunday night, who pointedly challenged Sanders with questions about his integrity in his call for reform of the economy. But not as awkward as Hillary having been prepped by her debate adviser Gensler to attack Sanders for his vote for legislation that Gensler wrote when working for her husband.
Who are these Clintonites who now have the temerity to blame Sanders for the economic hustles they authorized?
Hillary knows that the disastrous legislation, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act (CFMA), had nothing to do with Sanders and everything to do with then-President Bill Clinton, who devoted his presidency to sucking up to Wall Street. Clinton signed this bill into law as a lame-duck president, ensuring his wife would have massive Wall Street contributions for her Senate run.
Sanders, like the rest of Congress, was blackmailed into voting for the bill because it was tucked into omnibus legislation needed to keep the government operating. Only libertarian Ron Paul and three other House members had the guts to cast a nay vote. The measure freeing Wall Street firms from regulation was inserted at the last moment in a deal between President Clinton and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Phil Gramm, R-Texas, who had failed in an earlier attempt to get the measure enacted. Clinton signed it into law a month before leaving office.
Sanders soon figured out that he and almost all other Congress members had been tricked into providing a blank check for the marketing of bogus collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps made legal by the legislation, of which a key author was Gary Gensler, the former Goldman Sachs partner recruited by Clinton to be undersecretary of the treasury.
Eight years later, when President Obama nominated Gensler to head the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, it was Sanders who put a temporary hold on the nomination, stating: Mr. Gensler worked with Sen. Phil Gramm and [former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman] Alan Greenspan to exempt credit default swaps from regulation, which led to the collapse of AIG and has resulted in the largest taxpayer bailout in U.S. history.
Today, Gensler is the top economic adviser to Hillary Clintons presidential campaign. And the CFMAkey legislation that was one of the main causes of the collapse in 08, enabling the great recessionis an enormous embarrassment that her husband on occasion reluctantly has conceded was drafted by his top aides and signed into law by him with great enthusiasm.
In an awkward power-couple footnote, Greenspan, chief prophet of radical banking deregulation, is married to NBC journalist Andrea Mitchell, one of the two debate moderators Sunday night, who pointedly challenged Sanders with questions about his integrity in his call for reform of the economy. But not as awkward as Hillary having been prepped by her debate adviser Gensler to attack Sanders for his vote for legislation that Gensler wrote when working for her husband.
Who are these Clintonites who now have the temerity to blame Sanders for the economic hustles they authorized?
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I would rather have an honest progressive fighting for real change, so I will vote Bernie.
peacebird
Feb 2016
#1
Hillary Clinton isn't a perfect honest person ... neither is Bernie Sanders.
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#30
Hillary is not Lucifers daughter either... She's honest ENOUGH... not a glaring recommendation
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#59
why did you conflate a smear of Bernie in your original post? saying neither was totally honest?
peacebird
Feb 2016
#64
30. Hillary Clinton isn't a perfect honest person ... neither is Bernie Sanders.
peacebird
Feb 2016
#109
Could you show evidence of her doing this? Also, can the same be said about Sanders relationship
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#115
Yeap, to some that's stupid to people who are expecting adequte she'll work. Sanders gets
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#146
Good question, no it is... I'm not expecting Obama out of Clinton and Clinton is not Bush...
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#149
George Bush lied when the truth served him better, I don't think Hillary is on that level
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#60
You're right, she's dead on screwed up with some crap before ... she's still not a consistent
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#76
Bush, ... Hillary's not.... and honest enough to believe that she's down for progressive causes ...
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#124
I've never considered Bush to be one of "us" and Hillary she's only "down" with progressive causes
azurnoir
Feb 2016
#129
Sanders isn't? You do understand his take on why reparations isn't part of the revolution right?
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#157
yes I do understand, do you? also do you understand Obama's take on reparations?
azurnoir
Feb 2016
#160
No she's not... (said with exasperation) ... damn, stop that .. Bush lied when the truth would
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#153
Me too. Besides, Doctors will basically have the same pay after Medicare For All.
Enthusiast
Feb 2016
#48
Which does nothing to pair the high cost of HC in America, that takes care of low hanging fruit wher
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#61
Not having office staff dealing with a dizzying array of private insurance companies would probably
AlbertCat
Feb 2016
#155
+1, Doctors and Pharma would have to take massive cuts too... his revolution has too
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#151
You're talking doctor's "officies" and "clinics". You're talking "hospitals".
Enthusiast
Feb 2016
#166
Wow, what a well written and thought out piece. At least for me it is a lot to think about
still_one
Feb 2016
#3
Soooooooo, what you mostly have is ad homs which are an indicator of weak arguments? tia
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#80
No you haven't Cali, pick a small section and lets go at then... you're not...
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#28
1. Strawman, no one said he hasn't been fighting for minority causes he's just not going
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#55
Cali, stop calling me upa... I don't know who that person is and now your arguments are flailing to
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#120
No you didn't, your overt strawman is an attempt at deffection... you can't proffer something as
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#123
No but, I would rather drink a glass of water with Bernie than a flute of champagne with Hillary.
Hiraeth
Feb 2016
#58
... not only that but he used some really screwed up racialied bomb throwers to do it in front
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#156
My take is Bernie needs your help cause he ain't superman. Sorry that push button Democracy
Kip Humphrey
Feb 2016
#8
Cutting out private HCI would be about 200 billion, that's in his own proposals... thx for
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#90
Like Sanders campaign these retorts begs the question; "Where's the beef!?!!?"
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#57
.... a well written piece of defeatist propaganda. I don't agree with a word of it. nt
ladjf
Feb 2016
#16
Sanders hasn't focused people towards these revolutions in the past why in the world would anyone
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#92
FDR had 80% and 70% dem congress's throughout his term(S) as president..... YES, it would've
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#36
HELL YES!!! K, do you think Obama would go lighter on them if his congress was 80% dem?
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#195
I like how you wrote a lot of words and yet avoided hitting anything of substance.
Kalidurga
Feb 2016
#38
Well I just think we have to stop this purity test...if a source actually HELPS us.
LiberalLovinLug
Feb 2016
#189
I wouldn't even bother reasoning with this poster -- the video is clearly from Bernie's YT channel
JonLeibowitz
Feb 2016
#227
This is false on its face... I'll get back to you in a second. Come now let us reason together
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#73
So what that he's talked about it... that's where it ends, he's not proffered a workable plan to get
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#138
Sanders bashes Hillary for taken money from wall street, HE set the high bar on her so
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#235
Huge difference between being beholden to the party and being beholden to the 1%.
Kalidurga
Feb 2016
#237
Thx, I will get back to this reply in a sec... come now, let us reason together... regards
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#86
How shocking that your very detailed post has not received a substantive reply from the OP.
JonLeibowitz
Feb 2016
#228
My parents house burned down this weekend, it was the house in KC that was on FAUX news...
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#234
Nah.. she will beat any Republican like drum just like she did in the Benghazi interrogations.
DCBob
Feb 2016
#84
elections are different and a presidential election is a whole other ballgame
Fast Walker 52
Feb 2016
#89
And you think running for office in Vermont prepares Bernie for a cut-throat Presidential campaign?
DCBob
Feb 2016
#93
Wall of words. Can you excerpt the part where you explain why LGBT should support a candidate who
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#74
Sanders only legislated against LGBT rights for a second... My argument isn't Clinton is ...
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#100
Sanders never so legislated. Jon Capehart, is that you? Love the glasses.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#178
Bernie Sanders got an amendment passed to the ACA letting states choose Single Payer.
Eric J in MN
Feb 2016
#82
Very good point in this context, something to think about in his support. I'm talking about
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#110
In answer to your Highly skewed Question " Where was Sanders ass was at when the left needed his Rev
orpupilofnature57
Feb 2016
#85
YES.. YES and YES... That blood bath would give the GOP another half generation of gerrymandering
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#101
But not interested enough to read how gun manufacture immunity was going to hurt communities
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#103
Oh, come on. Bernie knows what's best for people of color. It's not his fault that WE don't know
Empowerer
Feb 2016
#112
Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#107
+1, something empirical to add... he could add votes later but it needs to be better than Obama
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#114
LOL, are you clueless? What about the fundraising records he has broke? Denial is not a fact. You...
Logical
Feb 2016
#132
You probably aren't very old. It used to be common to have someone you could vote FOR,
A Simple Game
Feb 2016
#214
So Sanders didn't vote for the CFMA?!?! Really, you now his votes are public right? tia
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#158
irelevant... Sanders voted for it...Clinton already has poor jusgement by his standards
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#207
...and Sanders hands are NOT CLEAN on that EITHER!!! I think Sanders folk miss the point that if he'
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#176
Reason #1: he's being used to take out a Dem frontrunner with a 110% chance of winning the GE.
ucrdem
Feb 2016
#173
Bill won twice, Barack won twice, and every Dem who has ever won anything will make sure she wins.
ucrdem
Feb 2016
#182
Trump won't win any more than Romney won. Hill just has to keep the Obama coaltion together
ucrdem
Feb 2016
#219
Unnnnn, noooo... I've responded to people who have outlined objetions. I'm talking about
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#225
The case for pragmatism could be made if there were workable plan or a history of his
uponit7771
Feb 2016
#241