2016 Postmortem

Recursion

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42. This is the second national campaign where she has been unable to seize the initiative

Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:27 AM

Feb 2016

and it's why she lost me.

I can tell you why every other candidate on both sides but her and JEB! are running for President:

O'Malley (my original pick): Americans deserve to hope for a better and more just government and economy
Sanders: the super-wealthy have corrupted the political process to such an extent that Americans no longer feel any connection to government
Trump: America needs to be great (i.e. white and middle class) again
Rubio: America needs to lead, and needs a leader to do that
Cruz: The Constitution and Christianity are under assault from godless liberal masses
Fiorina: Washington DC is too afraid of transformation
Carson: An elite minority have convinced good Christians that they should be ashamed of themselves

What I can't tell you is why Clinton is running for President. Worse yet, I don't even see her campaign trying to get that out. And when they do, the closest I can come to an answer is "I'm experienced"... even that answer is about the past.

I think she has a worse chance of winning nationally than Sanders, because of that. I don't think either were our best possible picks, but since this is what we're stuck with, I have to back Sanders.

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Bernie Sanders would be EVISCERATED by the Republican attack machine in the general election. [View all] RBInMaine Feb 2016 OP

Lecture about how SOCIALIZZZZZT BERNIE SANDERS CAN'T POSSIBLY WIN #4386 beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #1

Typical lame fingers in ears response instead of a thoughtful REAL response. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #2

From your op: "Socialist Communist Socialist Communist Socialist Communist" beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #6

Can we get rid of all red hearts? PonyUp Feb 2016 #50

All this violent imagery, EVISCERATE, BLOODBATH, GUTS!!! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #55

IMO you don't want a "thoughtful REAL response", you want people to do what you say and djean111 Feb 2016 #9

Again, fingers in your ears. No real response. You offer NOTHING. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #12

I don't have to offer anything - you have been exhorting us to support Hillary for what seems djean111 Feb 2016 #22

+1,000 Pretty much the way I am seeing it also. Bohunk68 Feb 2016 #28

Garbage in, garbage out. frylock Feb 2016 #166

Very impressed with yourself. tazkcmo Feb 2016 #90

You want a response? Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #120

I know, right? It is like the wheels are coming off the keyboards. :-) djean111 Feb 2016 #7

Good points! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #13

To be filed under "America will never elect a black man as POTUS" or "It's too Haaaard". sarge43 Feb 2016 #72

Hillary 2016: NO WE CAN'T! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #75

Bless his heart. n/t sarge43 Feb 2016 #119

The real question is how will they survive the attacks from Bernie. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #3

Thoughtful response, but how will be SPECIFICALLY respond to the SPECIFIC attacks? RBInMaine Feb 2016 #14

I realize that you haven't accepted his logic on this.... virtualobserver Feb 2016 #30

His positions are mainstream and poll widely popular AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #113

DWS will backstab Sanders if he is the nominee. Count on it. nt mariawr Feb 2016 #91

Lol...she would be subject to the same attacks... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #4

Read the whole OP. She has ALREADY been attacked and knows how to handle it. He doesn't. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #15

How she handles it is, in a way, not relevant. djean111 Feb 2016 #26

Again, she is damaged goods... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #31

And if it's just cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #46

She cannot defend herself against the facts. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #36

Her campaign has been coming apart at the seams AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #114

Her "handling" it has her as the second-least-trusted candidate in the race jeff47 Feb 2016 #130

DENY, DENY, DENY... Yes, Hillary knows how to handle it. John Poet Feb 2016 #180

Nothing in his four decades of running on his platform has prepared him for this... pugetres Feb 2016 #5

Very liberal Vermont is NOTHING compared to the entire nation. He NEEDS the heads up. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #18

Don't you think cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #48

Bernie made Vermont liberal so thanks for the reminder of the power of Bernie! Kalidurga Feb 2016 #152

Bullshit. The Clinton Machine is doing its best. And FAILING. cali Feb 2016 #8

Yup. They are wasting millions of dollars Helen Borg Feb 2016 #37

They're part of the Bernie fund raising machine and they work for free!! haikugal Feb 2016 #158

Your right: Sanders would face an absolutely brutal campaign in the fall, and it will be tough Recursion Feb 2016 #10

Trump's attacks on Bush should be an eye-opener virtualobserver Feb 2016 #17

Clinton lost me by *again* going 100% reactive. That's how you lose an election Recursion Feb 2016 #20

Clinton has the facts against her. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #39

Hillary is going LIGHT on him right now. Just wait until the R's get ahold of him. BLOODBATH!! RBInMaine Feb 2016 #19

This is the second national campaign where she has been unable to seize the initiative Recursion Feb 2016 #42

Righto. She is just being nice... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #44

And Cruz and Trump are just being nice too! cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #54

What Is It With You... Cheviteau Feb 2016 #84

Interest choice of words.... DeGreg Feb 2016 #103

There will be no bloodbath AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #121

It is Bernie who is going LIGHT on Hillary right now. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #123

WOLVERINES!!! frylock Feb 2016 #167

Hillary has gone light on him. Just wait until the R's get ahold of him. BLOODBATH!! RBInMaine Feb 2016 #23

Oh, I'm not worried about the "we want specifics!" stuff Recursion Feb 2016 #67

Righto. She is just being nice... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #71

She went light on Obama too. frylock Feb 2016 #168

Lets see jfern Feb 2016 #11

ALL has ALREADY been thrown time and again and she's still standing. Sanders will be DESTROYED!! RBInMaine Feb 2016 #25

She's badly bruised... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #47

The Clinton Foundation hasn't been brought up much jfern Feb 2016 #188

When Democrats were running away from gay marriage, ... stone space Feb 2016 #16

ONE policy that took a real movement and YEARS to achieve. Bernie will be CRUSHED! Totally CRUSHED! RBInMaine Feb 2016 #27

Iowa adopted a longstanding platform plank of the Iowa Socialist Party from the 1970s and 1980s... stone space Feb 2016 #80

virtually overnight!!1 frylock Feb 2016 #169

Yeah the lesson is don't vote for candidates that openly oppose the rights of others for 20 years. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #43

You're missing a giant point. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #21

Good points, but there aren't enough millenials to win the general election. So far the revolution RBInMaine Feb 2016 #33

So, again, why not just sit back and relax? djean111 Feb 2016 #40

Bernie is gonna get plenty of normal Republicans' votes, if my Nay Feb 2016 #139

I'm not saying that it's just them. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #157

Have you missed noticing that he is also doing very well with older voters? SheilaT Feb 2016 #162

Thanks for the "Concern" Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #24

YOU should damn be VERY concerned. Could I please have a substantive reply? RBInMaine Feb 2016 #34

No. Seeing the nonsense you posted you don't rate one. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #52

I see you have your blinders on in a big way. Just dismiss what you don't want to hear. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #62

No, there are lots of people that have responded to you. You ignored them or tried to talk over Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #66

eviscerate Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #29

Yup, they will cut his POLITICAL guts right out. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #35

Snicker...priceless. I love the use caps for emphasis. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #77

RB is getting funnier by the day Divernan Feb 2016 #68

And the same attack machine would give your Anointed One a free pass? On WHAT planet? hobbit709 Feb 2016 #32

Try reading the WHOLE post. Oh they'll attack her brutally too, but she's ALREADY tested. He isn't. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #41

I hate it too when the CAPS LOCK key gets stuck Helen Borg Feb 2016 #49

MAYBE WE NEED TO BE TURNED MORE LIKE A EUROPEAN COUNTRY. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #51

Let Me Get This Straight... chwaliszewski Feb 2016 #70

exactly. Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #76

What I don't understand is the assumption that just because she's been attacked before, SheilaT Feb 2016 #163

Yes yes. Battle scarred. Fighter. Champion. blahblahblah. frylock Feb 2016 #171

The Banksters and Wall Street will give the anointed one Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #58

That pretty much sums it up. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #63

That's our Hillary. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #134

Tell that to Jonny Capehart and Maddy Albright and Gloria the Transphobe Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #38

I don't find much to agree with you on but this is seriously one of them. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #56

So would Clinton. The difference is: Sanders brings the voters who defeat the GOP numbers. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #45

The same thing will happen to Hillary. Don't be naive. Vinca Feb 2016 #53

Naive implies the poster doesn't know what he's doing. He knows perfectly well. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #59

Here's the thing bec Feb 2016 #57

Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD cantbeserious Feb 2016 #60

Even Slimeball David Brock's swiftboat attempts have been deflected easily, more easily than Hillary peacebird Feb 2016 #61

David Brock = "the Republican attack machine" GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #64

K & R....n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #65

Joy vercetti2021 Feb 2016 #69

not even vaguely true EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #73

Corbyn... Myrddin Feb 2016 #83

I call bullshit. SamKnause Feb 2016 #74

... Bryce Butler Feb 2016 #93

Bernie would lose badly like George McGovern did in 1972 Sancho Feb 2016 #78

Half the people who voted in that election leftupnorth Feb 2016 #95

I voted in that election - it was similar in many ways... Sancho Feb 2016 #101

That was also 1972, and people were still limited to rotary dial telephones and newspapers. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #131

And it was different in three critical ways. jeff47 Feb 2016 #135

Goodness, you are so wrong...just take the economy...look it up... Sancho Feb 2016 #146

Wrong year, champ. jeff47 Feb 2016 #148

Don't be naive... Sancho Feb 2016 #160

The election was held in November, 1972. jeff47 Feb 2016 #161

There is no straw man, I was there! I participated. Sancho Feb 2016 #175

You do recall that McGovern was running against SheilaT Feb 2016 #165

1972 called. frylock Feb 2016 #173

You sound like the narrator who does movie trailers. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #79

In a world where Bernie Sanders would be EVISCERATED by the Republican attack machine.. frylock Feb 2016 #174

On the nose LOL. nt cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #184

Surrender Monkey Lecture v2999124733.1 99Forever Feb 2016 #81

the fact is, Bernie is winning over the heart and soul of the Democratic party Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #82

And Hillary WON'T??? Odin2005 Feb 2016 #85

? MynameisBlarney Feb 2016 #86

And the GOP will strew rose petals in Clinton's path instead jberryhill Feb 2016 #87

said better than i could dembotoz Feb 2016 #88

In any normal presidential election-- Ms. Yertle Feb 2016 #89

Kasich will be the GOP nominee, I believe. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #99

Trump is leading by a lot Ms. Yertle Feb 2016 #116

Red baiting and FUD doesn't work on anyone under 40 leftupnorth Feb 2016 #92

The Red Menace schtick doesn't work with a lot of us oldsters either. sarge43 Feb 2016 #105

You're so right. . . anniebelle Feb 2016 #94

Mic drop. n/t leftupnorth Feb 2016 #96

In a word...... BrainDrain Feb 2016 #97

Anybody in America who calls himself a socialist is able to handle it. B Calm Feb 2016 #98

More from the supporters of the 'No We can't' campaign. Shadowflash Feb 2016 #100

Delude huh? Delusion huh? bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #102

First of all.... How about stopping using republican buzz words... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #104

I've heard this all before and I wasn't impressed the first time. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #106

How will Sanders compete in a general election campaign? Gothmog Feb 2016 #107

You got me Uponthegears Feb 2016 #111

Sanders is bringing a knife to a gunfight Gothmog Feb 2016 #118

Oh, I get it Uponthegears Feb 2016 #147

Why do you post the same two or three things over and over and over? n/t QC Feb 2016 #108

ROFLMAO!!! yeah right, , you guys crack me up bowens43 Feb 2016 #109

Any opponent will be attacked by Republicans and Koch Respect 88 Feb 2016 #110

Nobody cares about that AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #112

Bernie will be defined by republicans way before he has a chance cosmicone Feb 2016 #115

Why Bernie Sanders isn�t going to be president, in five words Gothmog Feb 2016 #117

Bernie's message of Predatory Capitalism will awaken them! B Calm Feb 2016 #156

Clinton will be destroyed with the truth. Skwmom Feb 2016 #122

Nope. LWolf Feb 2016 #124

The last Democrat to run for President promising to raise taxes redstateblues Feb 2016 #125

Pssst...there was this more recent guy. jeff47 Feb 2016 #138

Yeah, the socialist commie attacks worked out so well for them in 2008 and 2012..... marmar Feb 2016 #126

This post is backward. It says "Bernie sucks Bernie sucks BERNIE SUCKS... but I love Bernie". cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #127

The most convincing evidence that RBI is right. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #128

Agree. blue neen Feb 2016 #137

No. They are not craftily attacking Hillary because they want Bernie to run against. SheilaT Feb 2016 #170

Sheila, respectfully that doesn't make much sense. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #185

My take is that they still think Hillary is the Inevitable One. SheilaT Feb 2016 #187

So you think the Clinton attack machine is utterly incompetent? jeff47 Feb 2016 #129

We'll lose in a cakewalk for the Repubs if Hillary's the nominee. TransitJohn Feb 2016 #132

You will get to test that hypothesis Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #140

I know. TransitJohn Feb 2016 #142

Egotistic? Vain glorious? Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #143

You do realize if Clinton wins the primary, GOP attacks dogs will be merciless. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #133

Hell, the "Democratic" attack dogs are merciless Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #136

And Hillary? Zambero Feb 2016 #141

You're freakin' hilarious! I hate to have to add you to my Forever Ignored Club, but, alas, I must. valerief Feb 2016 #144

Riiiight...just like he's been eviscerated by the Brock/Clinton machine. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #145

EEEK!! A Socialist can't win!! We have to have someone Republicans will be nice to!! Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #149

The Fact That Bernie Has Been Able To Get The Support ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #150

Of course they will spare Hillary.....? /nt JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #151

Benghazi! Bosnia Snipers! Private eMail Servers! Bill and Monica! JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #154

every Democrat magically becomes the most liberal uber socialist ever! /nt JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #159

Is it my imagination or are your posts becoming even more deranged? tularetom Feb 2016 #153

I like kittens. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #155

The vaunted Hillary attack machine can't even seem to make a dent. frylock Feb 2016 #164

And yet he seems to be weathering this Clinton attack rather well. n/t Orsino Feb 2016 #172

Nobody will support Bernie. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #176

Word salad EVISCERATED gobledykook thereismore Feb 2016 #177

Exactly -- and they would be so kind to Hillary nichomachus Feb 2016 #178

But Republicans will NOT attack Clinton on her corruption and untrustworthiness? mhatrw Feb 2016 #179

We can't have socialized medicine Demobrat Feb 2016 #181

Bernie equals McGovern/Mondale 2 workinclasszero Feb 2016 #182

Well, they would try to make him look like Stalin reincarnated Stargleamer Feb 2016 #183

That is false. Fearless Feb 2016 #186