2016 Postmortem

Carolina

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214. Exactly!

Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:44 AM

Feb 2016

Whatever she did ( along time ago) as atty for the CDF, was undone by her and Bill's Welfare Reform Act. That law led CDF founder Marian Wright Edelman's husband Peter to resign in protest from his position as under secretary of DHHS in the Clinton Administration.

Getting funding for rebuilding the WTC was something that Congress would have done anyway... so I am not impressed

CHIP was a collaboration with Teddy Kennedy, the true 'liberal lion' of the Senate. He was the likely mover and shaker behind it and also humble enough to share the glory with HRC.

Bottom line: her coziness with Wall Street, her vote for IWR, her support of the TPP and fracking, her tenure at State -- all the recent history -- show who HRC is today and why her record is shady and her judgment deeply flawed!

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Constant attacks on Hillary Clinton around here are radical, off the rails, and ridiculous. [View all] RBInMaine Feb 2016 OP

It's a civil war...the corporatist establishment against the people hoosierlib Feb 2016 #1

Hillary is progressive and has worked to improve people's lives all her life. Enough hyperbole. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #4

Repeating falsehoods doesn't make them true. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #7

^^^THIS^^^ valerief Feb 2016 #52

+1 dchill Feb 2016 #54

Irrationality enabled by profound self-delusionment, Hortensis Feb 2016 #90

Speaking of irrationality... BeanMusical Feb 2016 #143

Try this: those spreading lies about Hillary are Hortensis Feb 2016 #148

exactly mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #189

You do realize she's done many things that have earned our disrespect of her Fawke Em Feb 2016 #202

The problem is that the "disrespect" of many Hortensis Feb 2016 #205

"IMO there is a profound self-indulgence to all this -- and a profound willful/determined ignorance bettyellen Feb 2016 #208

+1 betsuni Feb 2016 #210

+1 kristopher Feb 2016 #83

..+1 840high Feb 2016 #206

Lol...sure she has... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #8

Funny. bvf Feb 2016 #16

Cool story bro Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #24

I'm certain her time at Walmart JackInGreen Feb 2016 #34

Can't stand uninformed attacks. lark Feb 2016 #95

Hillary was on the board from 1986-1992 creatives4innovation Feb 2016 #142

can you just taste the Delusion? Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #87

Hillary is a corporatist, a warmonger, and a liar. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #168

It is not a civil war. It is not the corporatist establishment against the people. Squinch Feb 2016 #13

Of course he wasn't successful... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #17

So I guess the only problem you face is that there is a 1% and you're not part of it? Squinch Feb 2016 #21

Most certainly...and Bernie has been the more progressive record hoosierlib Feb 2016 #23

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #36

Most ignorant post of the day. Squinch Feb 2016 #39

Hillary = 1%, but you don't want to acknowledge it. nt earthshine Feb 2016 #107

Yes. Hillary is wealthy. And? Squinch Feb 2016 #112

D'uh! She represents her ilk. nt earthshine Feb 2016 #138

Kennedy was wealthy, FDR was wealthy, Carter was pretty wealthy, TR the trustbusting Squinch Feb 2016 #140

And those great men had far more integrity than the Clintons ever did. earthshine Feb 2016 #145

For someone who thinks I am not worth arguing with, you sure are chatting with me a lot. Squinch Feb 2016 #153

It is not always a matter of wealth but one's behavior. pangaia Feb 2016 #158

Hillary Carolina Feb 2016 #193

And you are supporting the pro-DOMA candidate tohelp LGBT people? eridani Feb 2016 #212

Are you making this up of do you have proof? Perogie Feb 2016 #22

None of those actually works against the corporate establishment. Squinch Feb 2016 #33

His very existance hinders the coporate establishment... geologic Feb 2016 #92

In what way? Squinch Feb 2016 #141

Tell us another one bro Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #26

What is Bernie's signature accomplishment in curtailing the corporate establishment? Squinch Feb 2016 #35

Tell us one major thing Hillary has done to curtail the corporate establishment Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #38

OK, I'll help you out. Bernie is the one who is running on the fact that he is going to take down Squinch Feb 2016 #62

So help me out. List Hillary's accomplishments now. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #64

Which puts him in "Laws Enacted at the highest 25% among Serving 10+ Years; tied with 5 others" Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #65

And he has proven his ability to take down the corporate establishment in which of those three? Squinch Feb 2016 #69

And tell us where Hillary is in this? Or should I? Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #71

She isn't claiming to be leading a revolution. By renaming post offices. Squinch Feb 2016 #73

No your right I agree she doesn't. What she does claim changes by the hour. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author geologic Feb 2016 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author geologic Feb 2016 #120

Cuz she ain't... geologic Feb 2016 #122

What are you doing? Squinch Feb 2016 #126

Bernie Sanders "Bills Out of Committee highest 15% among All Senators; tied with 2 others" Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #67

Yes. He sponsors record numbers of bills. None of them get passed. Squinch Feb 2016 #72

Tell us about Hillary's record. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #75

Cosponsors highest 20% among All Senators Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #70

You realize the "Squinch" is not worth arguing with. earthshine Feb 2016 #117

Yeah I was getting that idea. Thanks for the heart!! Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #123

Huh. And yet there you are upthread arguing with me. Go figure. Squinch Feb 2016 #125

It's important for you (and people who think like you) nyabingi Feb 2016 #197

what is Hillary's signature accomplishment on ANYTHING?! Carolina Feb 2016 #194

Wow Oilwellian Feb 2016 #201

Preach! jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #207

Here you go: Squinch Feb 2016 #211

Thats it? Nothing to rein in Corporate America? The very thing you were screaming about Bernie? Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #213

Exactly! Carolina Feb 2016 #214

Agree! Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #215

Bernie's schtick is reining in corporate America. Hers before she entered the Squinch Feb 2016 #216

Lol its already listed by another poster so spare me your dribble. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #217

Then it should be no trouble for you to post it here. Squinch Feb 2016 #218

Functionally illiterate? It is on this OP, look it up your damn self. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #220

We both know that means you have nothing. We also both know you will never admit that, Squinch Feb 2016 #221

Lol...If you say so. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #222

Among Democrats it's generally understood by non-morons that the most important outcome Squinch Feb 2016 #223

Among 3rd way Vichy "Dems" your ongoing tactics don't surprise me at all. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #224

VA enid602 Feb 2016 #37

Very good point. Squinch Feb 2016 #63

Have you read this? kristopher Feb 2016 #84

I don't dispute that. I dispute that Bernie has ever done or will ever do anything to change that. Squinch Feb 2016 #85

WTH?? Of course you disputed that!!! kristopher Feb 2016 #88

It is not the corporatist establishment against the people. Squinch Feb 2016 #99

Hillary is taking millions from the corporate lobbyists - right now. kristopher Feb 2016 #132

You love your memes don't you? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #106

You say meme, I say description of actual events. Potato, potahto. Squinch Feb 2016 #110

You can have an opinion but you can't make up facts passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #116

And in that fight of his whole life, he has gotten precious little done. Squinch Feb 2016 #119

Again, your opinion, your meme passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #135

Well, no. That IS a fact. Squinch Feb 2016 #136

I dare you to read this passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #144

Look carefully at that list. Squinch Feb 2016 #149

Put up a comparison to anyone else and show me what he "could" have done passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #159

No. I need to look at what he has done and decide for myself if I think that record supports the Squinch Feb 2016 #161

Oh, I should have included this passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #163

Well then those don't really count as accomplishments, do they? Squinch Feb 2016 #165

Sanders has been successful sgmcenroe Feb 2016 #109

See post 33, responding to the Squinch Feb 2016 #118

Dubbed the Ammendment King creatives4innovation Feb 2016 #146

But only 3 that he sponsored were made into law. And two of those were about naming the same post Squinch Feb 2016 #150

From Wikipedia for Senator Clinton creatives4innovation Feb 2016 #178

Yes, but unlike Bernie, she is not promising a revolution. She is open about Squinch Feb 2016 #182

She's promising more stagnation and corporatism. That's fuckin problem. JRLeft Feb 2016 #195

Your message is self contradictory... basselope Feb 2016 #155

great post mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #190

she vacays with Kissinger. that is all. Truly. roguevalley Feb 2016 #166

The funny thing is that some of you really believe this. Beacool Feb 2016 #173

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #2

Exactly. nt. bullimiami Feb 2016 #3

It comes from the combination of a big Bernie majority here and the silly jury system. Squinch Feb 2016 #5

You nailed it! Empowerer Feb 2016 #14

+1 betsuni Feb 2016 #15

bingo DrDan Feb 2016 #20

Yes, indeed. This Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #44

Ouch, er out;damn spot... geologic Feb 2016 #94

I call bullshit on that nonsense. I have had posts hidden for the most innocuous reasons. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #49

You're describing the exception Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #59

This was NOT hidden: Squinch Feb 2016 #76

I didn't say it. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #77

No, but this is just one illustration of the fact that Bernie supporters can Squinch Feb 2016 #80

Did you alert on that post? You should have. earthshine Feb 2016 #137

About 14 people alerted on it. It went to MIRT. I and three others made posts Squinch Feb 2016 #139

It's too bad about the profanity-laden post. It shouldn't have been that way. earthshine Feb 2016 #147

A tool for peer-reviewed civility and courtesy is now a weapon ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #50

Why??? Please do tell... geologic Feb 2016 #96

Not a chance! (I'm smarter than some think I am.) NurseJackie Feb 2016 #103

You sure? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #176

That was gratuitously nasty. Squinch Feb 2016 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author Fawke Em Feb 2016 #203

Exactly right. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #56

Bullshit I've had plenty of posts hidden by Hillary supporters. JRLeft Feb 2016 #98

Then they must have been pretty damn awful. Squinch Feb 2016 #102

No, it's called censorship by the way I've called out BS supporters for censorship too. JRLeft Feb 2016 #114

Well if they weren't awful, you are very unlucky. The odds are about 90-10 in your favor. Squinch Feb 2016 #130

Bullshit, I had a post calling Hillary a Democratic equivalent of Nixon hidden by the Hillarians. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #167

As I said above, it must either have been a really awful post, or you were really unlucky. The odds Squinch Feb 2016 #169

Truth hurts. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #170

Yeah. I can see how you might say something that might offend even those on your own side. Squinch Feb 2016 #171

Hear, hear!!!! Beacool Feb 2016 #174

Oh, no. I think that came up early. But iirc it was hidden. Squinch Feb 2016 #179

Wow......... Beacool Feb 2016 #184

It's not changing anyone's vote. My ignore list is long in the 12 years I've been here, I never used livetohike Feb 2016 #6

As is mine mcar Feb 2016 #27

For the umpteenth time: Karma13612 Feb 2016 #9

Here's one. Hillary chose to believe the Bush administration which resulted in her voting to bring Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #10

It is apparent to those of us who don't have a strong opinion for either candidate Happyhippychick Feb 2016 #11

Well that's not an unbiased statement notadmblnd Feb 2016 #81

Constant attacks on Bernie and his supporters around here are radical, off the rails, and djean111 Feb 2016 #12

You sound like the little kid who, not being clever enough to challenge his big sister Empowerer Feb 2016 #18

0-7. I was #3. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #60

And then run to Mommy and Daddy when they don't get their way ... Empowerer Feb 2016 #66

No problem. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #68

What the Bernie supporter said was not juvenile. malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #111

I agree. Clinton's desperation is being mirrored by her supporters eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #177

"You sound like the little kid who, not being clever enough to challenge his "BIG SISTER"... geologic Feb 2016 #101

DU jury results. malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #131

killin it uponit7771 Feb 2016 #160

A pro-Kissinger corporatist should get pushback. Broward Feb 2016 #19

And you of course are as pure as the new fallen snow when it comes to Bernie hobbit709 Feb 2016 #25

He was pretty pure about Hillary last time around Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #41

Thanks for finding again. Broward Feb 2016 #121

I think DU might have tape worms... LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #28

you missed one, "Hillary killed Scalia" still_one Feb 2016 #29

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT!!! geologic Feb 2016 #104

Like listening to a bunch of damn parrots mindlessly repeating stupid nonsense. betsuni Feb 2016 #30

Meta-crap. Will not alert since it is so damned amusing. Bonobo Feb 2016 #31

The choice is simple. 99Forever Feb 2016 #32

Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Differently cantbeserious Feb 2016 #40

Hillary Progressive? Maybe when she's hanging out with the Wall Street crowd. jalan48 Feb 2016 #42

... your nearly daily screeds like this are beyond tiring. Myrina Feb 2016 #43

Sorry you feel that way casperthegm Feb 2016 #45

yep azureblue Feb 2016 #46

There's a "Hillary killed feminism" one. KILLED. Hillary murders everything and everyone. betsuni Feb 2016 #47

It is over the top. Dem2 Feb 2016 #48

I disagree with this OP and agree with most of the counter posts here. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #51

It's the endless repetition that gets me DFW Feb 2016 #53

Hillary supporters also attack Bernie Sanders. malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #55

If the shoe fits.... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #57

Here is some advice, ALERT THEM or quit whining. nt Logical Feb 2016 #58

lol Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #61

Stop lecturing people. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #78

How many of these attacks are really undercover RW operations? Sancho Feb 2016 #79

You forgot her warmongering and corporate toe sucking CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #82

+1000000! RiverLover Feb 2016 #86

Totally agree workinclasszero Feb 2016 #89

Just tryin' to keep it from becoming the DNCGROUND... geologic Feb 2016 #113

He may catnhatnh Feb 2016 #91

Sickening. I lost all respect for those types. DCBob Feb 2016 #97

When the Clinton campaign sgmcenroe Feb 2016 #100

I'm more concerned with the constant attacks regarding her policies and character Android3.14 Feb 2016 #105

HRC has earned the criticism Got it Feb 2016 #108

I absolutely agree. BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #115

What a joke Scalded Nun Feb 2016 #124

Exactly! Carolina Feb 2016 #196

Scroll up and down SheenaR Feb 2016 #127

Bernie may be our last best chance yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #128

Stating the truth is not an attack. hopeforchange2008 Feb 2016 #129

Well, I'm not making that pledge. earthside Feb 2016 #133

Right back atcha, RB! BillZBubb Feb 2016 #134

exactly mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #151

As someone who likes both candidates, it is a cesspool in here. Both sides piss me off. n/t kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #187

I will agree surprised? mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #188

This has occurred to loads of people- many have left for a while.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #209

She voted for the Iraq War basselope Feb 2016 #152

"Reality"? GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #154

Hearing a lot of platitutdes and no actual defense against any claim made Fearless Feb 2016 #156

Here's an idea... Tell her to "CUT IT OUT!" MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #157

Hmm, I'm not seeing any of those. How about you Hillary supporters talk about the ISSUES Lorien Feb 2016 #162

WOW! I said as much below, but love all your citations Carolina Feb 2016 #198

Insane really treestar Feb 2016 #164

I try to not take it personally. Beacool Feb 2016 #172

There is yet another "Bernie is racist" thread eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #175

Bernie's supporters post a few basic facts about Hillary... Califonz Feb 2016 #180

Exactly Carolina Feb 2016 #199

Its pretty bad yet really sad. kydo Feb 2016 #181

On the bright side ... those days will be coming to an end ... VERY SOON!! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #185

A lot of it started when Hillary supporters painted Bernie as a racist. B Calm Feb 2016 #186

There is nonsense and ridiculousness on both sides. Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #191

Sometimes it's hard to believe DesertRat Feb 2016 #192

This is meta RobertEarl Feb 2016 #200

I no longer see a meaningful difference between the National Review and The Nation. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #204

When I pointed out that Hillary's character was the one that was being destroyed, Beacool Feb 2016 #219